MK2 fiesta fast road car.
Discussion
RSTurboPaul said:
TheConverted said:
RSTurboPaul said:
This is awesome 
I especially love the hat and blanket on the back shelf
lol
Have you rustproofed it for Winter?
Would love to know general ballpark costs for this sort of thing but I'm guessing it's not that cheap, even doing all the work yourself!
re: tyres, Uniroyal RainExpert might come in that size - I always found them very good in a range of conditions, even snow, although the sidewalls might be a bit soft for your liking. (Caveat - they were on the missus' 50-something bhp shopping car... lol) I'd prefer that to Yokos, though - they all seem to be very on/off grip-wise in the damp/wet!
I haven't, however it doesn't really go out in the wet. She's about of garage queen in that respect. And it get washed asap if it does get salty. I'm about anal about it. I especially love the hat and blanket on the back shelf
lolHave you rustproofed it for Winter?
Would love to know general ballpark costs for this sort of thing but I'm guessing it's not that cheap, even doing all the work yourself!
re: tyres, Uniroyal RainExpert might come in that size - I always found them very good in a range of conditions, even snow, although the sidewalls might be a bit soft for your liking. (Caveat - they were on the missus' 50-something bhp shopping car... lol) I'd prefer that to Yokos, though - they all seem to be very on/off grip-wise in the damp/wet!
Ok so cost wise, I'm more than happy to list them as long as you all promise not to add them up and tell my wife, or me for that matter.
car £3300 (too much, but those arches make it)
1.8 engine £280 delivered
carbs £120 + £100ish to sort them out.
Manifold £220
Ecu and loom £299 -£197 = £102
replcement ECU and loom £349
ARB £80
Bushes and bolts £150
springs £55
XR2 carriers and calipers £200
wheels £300
Tyres Ns2rs £280ish ? a539s £240
NOS 2.0 engine £1995, cant rember the delivery cost.
Rs turbo clutch £80
DA engineering engine mount and alternator kit £140
exhaust manifold £250
exhaust £150 (honestly dont bother just get a custom one done)
random stuff you dont think of and fluids £500
fuel pump £70
fuel regulator £50
Xr2 gearbox £150 in delivery.
there will be stuff ive missed but that most of it.
Couple of grand for an engine is not cheap but NOS means it won't have been messed with and should be reliable - you'd probably pay similar for some old smoker than then required a load of work by a garage to make right!
The risk with the 1.8 was there was something else lurking in there. And the way I am if it was appart it would have been built with lighter internalls ARP bolts cams, ported head and so on so the price would be similar.
However I'm building this as a road car and having a peaky 1.8 that needs its neck ringing, Isnt ideal. You can built them to runout to over 8k and make power in the 7ks. The carbs I have will flow 200bhp too.
The idea of more lowdown torque and a know enterty. Just tipped it for me.
Not saying it will remain standard and I am considering fast road cams as they level out the torque curve and give abit my power.
It should be 150-160 at the crank at the moment. Cams could bump that to the 170-180 mark.
You can pick up zetec engines for around £250 £300 and you can do the swap on a proper budget. Sub £1500 if you had a car already.
I've chosen to make it more difficult and time consuming
Brakes! Everyone know they make you faster 
The pop comes as standard servo assited with solid discs up front and drums out back.
The standard setup is actually pretty Decent and more than capable of locking the semi slicks which I was surprised by. However there very little ability to deal with heat. And the ancient brown muddy brake oil/water mix want to boil after some 'spirted driving'
I've opted for a Xr2 front calipers. These are abit bigger and take a whopping 240mm vented disc. I've fitted braided hoses everywhere there was I rubber one. And flushed the system through with dot 5
Xr2 calipers are easy to come by and available new. However the carriers are rarer than, rocking horse s
t
That gopping red isnt the factory color they should be zinc plated.
As the carriers came with calipers I opted to rebuild them as they weren't in good nick.
Yes I'm st at remembering to take photos. But here's the finished assembly.
I've gone for EBC Yellows. I've had good success, with these in the past. And I find they have better cold bite than say a ds2500, Another great pad.
The yellows are about cheaper too. I learned you need apad for the driving you do with the golf . The number of near accidents I had with carbon Lorraine ceramic pads was ridiculous. You need a props leg to do the first few stops when they were cold.
As you can see it's a pretty tight setup with 13s. In fact the wheel weights have had to be moved.
The pop comes as standard servo assited with solid discs up front and drums out back.
The standard setup is actually pretty Decent and more than capable of locking the semi slicks which I was surprised by. However there very little ability to deal with heat. And the ancient brown muddy brake oil/water mix want to boil after some 'spirted driving'
I've opted for a Xr2 front calipers. These are abit bigger and take a whopping 240mm vented disc. I've fitted braided hoses everywhere there was I rubber one. And flushed the system through with dot 5
Xr2 calipers are easy to come by and available new. However the carriers are rarer than, rocking horse s
tThat gopping red isnt the factory color they should be zinc plated.
As the carriers came with calipers I opted to rebuild them as they weren't in good nick.
Yes I'm s
t at remembering to take photos. But here's the finished assembly. I've gone for EBC Yellows. I've had good success, with these in the past. And I find they have better cold bite than say a ds2500, Another great pad.
The yellows are about cheaper too. I learned you need apad for the driving you do with the golf . The number of near accidents I had with carbon Lorraine ceramic pads was ridiculous. You need a props leg to do the first few stops when they were cold.
As you can see it's a pretty tight setup with 13s. In fact the wheel weights have had to be moved.
Edited by TheConverted on Monday 4th January 22:03
This was my great grandfathers lathe, he bought it sometime after he returned from ww2. It's a myford ml7. I think it dates from between 1946 and 1953.
It's a very handy bit of kit to have around. Excuse the mess I'm packing for a house move.
Naturally it's fitted with a washing machine motor. I'm guessing the original failed long ago. It's also got the scariest looking home made metal control switch to reverse the current, It is earthed I've checked.
Here's some more photos
112 at the wheels from the 1.8 would have put it in the region of 130 at the crank. Considering there 115 as standard. Don't worry that's not the torque curve it's the afrs.
It's a very handy bit of kit to have around. Excuse the mess I'm packing for a house move.
Naturally it's fitted with a washing machine motor. I'm guessing the original failed long ago. It's also got the scariest looking home made metal control switch to reverse the current, It is earthed I've checked.
Here's some more photos
112 at the wheels from the 1.8 would have put it in the region of 130 at the crank. Considering there 115 as standard. Don't worry that's not the torque curve it's the afrs.
finlo said:
vx220 said:
I know the chances of the information I'm about to post being useable is very remote, even if I have remembered it correctly! But here goes...
IIRC, in Europe there was a MK2 Fiesta diesel? And the fuel tank had a surge pot in it!
I could not possibly tell you how I know this (or think I know this, it might not be correct) and even if it is true, the chances of you finding a nice, NOS Europe-only fuel tank from before 1989 seem very bad!
Pretty sure the UK got a diesel MK2?IIRC, in Europe there was a MK2 Fiesta diesel? And the fuel tank had a surge pot in it!
I could not possibly tell you how I know this (or think I know this, it might not be correct) and even if it is true, the chances of you finding a nice, NOS Europe-only fuel tank from before 1989 seem very bad!
If I'm honest though, the 120/130 topend it would do now is plenty in what is basically a tin can.
That's impressive triva tho VX220. I wonder what you've forgotten to remember that ?
The gear knob came off whilst I may or may not of been in front of a new golf GTi .
Which was rather amusing to my passenger who was already pissing himself. It does punch you in the back. The carbs have great response and the 1.8 fly wheel is a fair bit light than the 2.0 one.
So rather than buy an 8 ball or somother bit of plastic of eBay. I thought I'd make one.
Luckily I managed to get the gear position peice off the old one to complete the look.
This part is also vital . It's the only security the car has. I park it nose into the garage. And I've fitted a 5speed box.
Reverse isn't easy to find if you don't know. In fact it took me 15 minutes to find it after fitting the box.
Which was rather amusing to my passenger who was already pissing himself. It does punch you in the back. The carbs have great response and the 1.8 fly wheel is a fair bit light than the 2.0 one.
So rather than buy an 8 ball or somother bit of plastic of eBay. I thought I'd make one.
Luckily I managed to get the gear position peice off the old one to complete the look.
This part is also vital . It's the only security the car has. I park it nose into the garage. And I've fitted a 5speed box.
Reverse isn't easy to find if you don't know. In fact it took me 15 minutes to find it after fitting the box.
vx220 said:
that's on my watch list now, good spot. I'm not convinced in its ability under hard cornering though? if it do go for injection in the future id be nervous about that. Ive been looking at these, as its a 2 litre tank. and it will fit under the floor. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2L-Aluminium-Surge-tank...
i have run the pump and filter king fuel bowel dry before. on a long right hander.
thepeoplespal said:
I think period "Popular Plus" decals would be the way to go on the sleeper front. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-New-FORD-POPULA...
Had a red Mk1 1.1 Fiesta as my 1st car, a little after my brother's brand new Mk2 XR2, IIRC he had 14" 7 spoke RS alloys with BF Goodrich tyres which looked the business to my mind. Similar to these, but cleaner:
That XR2 was washed within an inch of it's life, sometimes twice a day, trying to remove the flies that squashed on it at speed. All that cleaning and a small number of places to get a car cleaned to his exacting standards led to him starting his own valeting business in 1986.
the 7 spokes look great on the XR2 with the body kit. there a bit to sporty for my liking on the POP. year I'm surprised that theirs any paint left non mine the amount it gets washed, im my head i think it looks like a barryboys car if its dirty. Had a red Mk1 1.1 Fiesta as my 1st car, a little after my brother's brand new Mk2 XR2, IIRC he had 14" 7 spoke RS alloys with BF Goodrich tyres which looked the business to my mind. Similar to these, but cleaner:
That XR2 was washed within an inch of it's life, sometimes twice a day, trying to remove the flies that squashed on it at speed. All that cleaning and a small number of places to get a car cleaned to his exacting standards led to him starting his own valeting business in 1986.
Few small jobs this week along with getting the wheels done in silver.
Wrapped the manifold, with some funk Motorsports wrap. They make some decent stuff. I've got there velcro cable wrap on the crank sensor wire as it right by the exhaust.
New starter motor. No other reason than its smaller. It's from a 1.9tcdi transit connect. So it's faster and more powerful. Thab the one from the 1.0 iwas using.
Nothad chance to get a decent picture yet as it ws dark but I'm liking it!
Wrapped the manifold, with some funk Motorsports wrap. They make some decent stuff. I've got there velcro cable wrap on the crank sensor wire as it right by the exhaust.
New starter motor. No other reason than its smaller. It's from a 1.9tcdi transit connect. So it's faster and more powerful. Thab the one from the 1.0 iwas using.
Nothad chance to get a decent picture yet as it ws dark but I'm liking it!
Gallons Per Mile said:
Excellent project! I'm a serial MK2 XR2 owner and did a Zetec swap on one too. Re your fuel tank problem - you can just make your own in-tank swirl pot. All I did was visit a local scrap yard and grab a tank from a car that definitely had a swirl pot. I think I took a tank from a Mk6 Escort at the time. I took the tank off my Fiesta, opened up a hole in the top so that it would accept the Escort tank swirl pot, and welded the hole up with the top of the Escort tank so I could mount the in-tank pump. It worked perfectly but I had to use slightly extended bolts to mount the modified tank back up to my car to allow room for fuel pipes on top of the tank that weren't originally there, effectively lowering the tank a few mm. I ended up with a nice home-brew Zetec conversion. Mine went quite well for a standard 1.8 
That's a good idea, I have been thinking getting an in tank pump would be alot more civilized. Than the facet clacker in the boot. 
Cheers guys,
Been offer a pair of dcoe 45s for a reasonable price. Very tempting. But I feel like it's abit of a side step rather than a gain.
Id also need to track down a less than 65mm manifold face to face. To fit them behind the bulkhead?
And I need to get this house move sorted so I can do the exhaust and LSD.
I can't send the gearbox out encase I need to drive the car
And getting the chop saw and welder out seems counter productive especially as it sort of fits
Been offer a pair of dcoe 45s for a reasonable price. Very tempting. But I feel like it's abit of a side step rather than a gain.
Id also need to track down a less than 65mm manifold face to face. To fit them behind the bulkhead?
And I need to get this house move sorted so I can do the exhaust and LSD.
I can't send the gearbox out encase I need to drive the car
And getting the chop saw and welder out seems counter productive especially as it sort of fits
herebebeasties said:
TheConverted said:
Way way nicer. Looks cleaner and more period to me.
Agreed. Previous black/polished centres looked a bit try-hard, whereas this now looks like a well-sorted, wonderful thing owned by a real enthusiast. :-)It's amazing what wheels can do to a car!
I came here from the "Your ultimate fun B road car" thread. This looks absolutely mega.
Boost Monster said:
thepeoplespal said:
I think period "Popular Plus" decals would be the way to go on the sleeper front.
Got to have a popular plus decal. Here’s my sons. 
its only a Popular 1.0 i actually run a graphics wrap company so i have been considering making some. just need to find the time.
There's been a development, in the fueling department.
I've never been happy with the part throttle fueling, and the high load fueling. Don't get me wrong it's ok but if not perfect. These came up stupidly cheap, with a zetec manifold. have a guess!
This is a set of dellorto DHLA 45D's I think they are from a lotus excel. There definitely OEM type ones from a lotus. Which is actually what I wanted. As they have much better part throttle as they have more progression holes.
What's even better is they have been setup buy a renowned specialist for an 1800zetec so they should be very close to what I need.
Rebuild kits should be with me tomorrow. I shall try and be better with the photos.
I've also downloaded this!
I've never been happy with the part throttle fueling, and the high load fueling. Don't get me wrong it's ok but if not perfect. These came up stupidly cheap, with a zetec manifold. have a guess!
This is a set of dellorto DHLA 45D's I think they are from a lotus excel. There definitely OEM type ones from a lotus. Which is actually what I wanted. As they have much better part throttle as they have more progression holes.
What's even better is they have been setup buy a renowned specialist for an 1800zetec so they should be very close to what I need.
Rebuild kits should be with me tomorrow. I shall try and be better with the photos.
I've also downloaded this!
vx220 said:
Using the correct font, how about "unpopular" or "unpopular plus"?
IIRC we all wanted DCNF webers (down draughts) to make the bulkhead clearance easier
Bonnet clearance is a problem with the zetec. It has been done but it's more compromised than the sides. IIRC we all wanted DCNF webers (down draughts) to make the bulkhead clearance easier
What I really need is a set of afla 90 Deg velocity stacks
I can't track the fiesta font down? Any leads
Up till gone 12 rebuilding the carbs out in the freezing garage. Completely lost track of time. They look great now. I've sorted out the linkage that was catching slightly. Flipped the TPS and drilled the linkage mounts so you can get to all the screws.
Just waiting on 25mm velocity stacks, 1/8th NTP tap and carb tune pro as my existing synctool won't fit between the card inlet and the firewall.
Still need to get the full pedal stroke. it's super close hopefully bend the stop abit. And the choke cable is to short, however the cable is unique to the fiesta choke pull. I can probably live with out it, but be nice to do it right.
Just waiting on 25mm velocity stacks, 1/8th NTP tap and carb tune pro as my existing synctool won't fit between the card inlet and the firewall.
Still need to get the full pedal stroke. it's super close hopefully bend the stop abit. And the choke cable is to short, however the cable is unique to the fiesta choke pull. I can probably live with out it, but be nice to do it right.
CarlosV8 said:
Fantastic thread and the car looks great, especially on the refurbed wheels. I'm local and have a 205 GTi with similar upgrades (2.0 16v on Jenvey 45s) so will look out for you on the local b roads
Cheers! You got a thread on the go? And you don't happen to live in Lymington do you grey with advans on it ? Love a 205
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