MK2 fiesta fast road car.
Discussion
bstark said:
This lot might be able to help you out with the font or maybe make a one-off. They certainly have the fiesta popular plus one:
https://www.dmb.uk.com/
Making the original logo I can do no dramas, I want the font as I wanted to play with some different wording. The logo will predate electronic fonts so unless it's been made. https://www.dmb.uk.com/
Alright had fun afternoon.
Got the car running yesterday on the 45s it was set way out. No way the '1.8' there supposedly set for would have ran properly. Super rich progression, and them mega lean main circuit.
I don't have any jets emulation tubes or correctors yet. I've also got no clue what I'm doing but figured hell it's so far out I'll see what I can do.
After messing on Google. And looking at a few guides. I came up with this setup.
Choke 37
Main 150
Emulsion 7772.5
Air corrector 195
Idle 50
Idle holder 7850.1
Pump 40
This is how there set now.
Choke 37mm
main 110
Emulsion 7772.5
Air corrector 170
Idle 50
Idle holder 7850.8
Pump jet 40
My logic
The idle circuit is super rich needed 2 turns out to idle and was still rich. However the 50 idle jets are at the leaner end of what the guides suggest for 2000c engines. So that leads me to the idle holders, they emulsife fuel with the air. The 7850.8 holder is one of the richest with only 4 X 0.5 mm holes.
The .1s that I've picked are one of the leaner ones. handily the power tuning book mentions that they have 1 X 1.4mm hole in them. So approx there 1.5 orifice area.
This is where Ive gone hog wild and got the power tools out.
I drilled one of the holes out to 1.0mm this gives me a total area of 1.3ish with the 3 other 0.5 holes (I did do the exact maths this morning, but too much wine now)
This was an immediate improvement, with me needing a more normal 3-4 turns out.
I also drilled the mains out to 1.5mm as this is the drill size I had. There was some science. Couple of guides mention that 4x the chokes is a start point for the mains. So 37 X 4 is 148. So 50 is the closest.
The cars now drivable and safe on the afr's it's still about rich in the progrssion faze. Good old Amazon should deliver some more drill bits tomorrow. So my plan is to make the opposite idle holder hole 0.65mm this gives me 1.51 of area. Verses the target 1.53.
If it's still rich I will look to open out the air correctors to delay the main circuit.
It sounds soooo good
Got the car running yesterday on the 45s it was set way out. No way the '1.8' there supposedly set for would have ran properly. Super rich progression, and them mega lean main circuit.
I don't have any jets emulation tubes or correctors yet. I've also got no clue what I'm doing but figured hell it's so far out I'll see what I can do.
After messing on Google. And looking at a few guides. I came up with this setup.
Choke 37
Main 150
Emulsion 7772.5
Air corrector 195
Idle 50
Idle holder 7850.1
Pump 40
This is how there set now.
Choke 37mm
main 110
Emulsion 7772.5
Air corrector 170
Idle 50
Idle holder 7850.8
Pump jet 40
My logic
The idle circuit is super rich needed 2 turns out to idle and was still rich. However the 50 idle jets are at the leaner end of what the guides suggest for 2000c engines. So that leads me to the idle holders, they emulsife fuel with the air. The 7850.8 holder is one of the richest with only 4 X 0.5 mm holes.
The .1s that I've picked are one of the leaner ones. handily the power tuning book mentions that they have 1 X 1.4mm hole in them. So approx there 1.5 orifice area.
This is where Ive gone hog wild and got the power tools out.
I drilled one of the holes out to 1.0mm this gives me a total area of 1.3ish with the 3 other 0.5 holes (I did do the exact maths this morning, but too much wine now)
This was an immediate improvement, with me needing a more normal 3-4 turns out.
I also drilled the mains out to 1.5mm as this is the drill size I had. There was some science. Couple of guides mention that 4x the chokes is a start point for the mains. So 37 X 4 is 148. So 50 is the closest.
The cars now drivable and safe on the afr's it's still about rich in the progrssion faze. Good old Amazon should deliver some more drill bits tomorrow. So my plan is to make the opposite idle holder hole 0.65mm this gives me 1.51 of area. Verses the target 1.53.
If it's still rich I will look to open out the air correctors to delay the main circuit.
It sounds soooo good
Edited by TheConverted on Saturday 16th January 22:29
Getting there with the tune. Got a couple of flatspots in the extremes of the setup. Eg low rpm wrong gear.
Here's a little 3rd gear pull, dosnt do the sound justice.
https://youtube.com/shorts/HYlda_IciHg
Here's a little 3rd gear pull, dosnt do the sound justice.
https://youtube.com/shorts/HYlda_IciHg
Bobberoo99 said:
Saw you and the car in Locksheath Centre car park a couple of weeks ago, I wasn't quick enough to jump out of the car and wave you down like a looney!!!
She looked great!!!
you must be local then. I try and use it as much as i can, which hasn't been much with the weather. She looked great!!!
beats driving the my van
Retro_Jim said:
I've just seen this and it looks well put together, the Zetec looks home in the Mk2's engine bay.
I'm looking forward to seeing the carbs on the engine, will you still look at going injection?
the carbs are on, and its driving pretty good. still needs tom airey's magic touch. I'm looking forward to seeing the carbs on the engine, will you still look at going injection?
yes injection may be on the cards, but I could justify the cost at the moment. approx 3k for the ecu, loom and ITB's i wanted and the supporting fueling upgrades.
so far the DHLA's have cost me £400 ish, and I've sold the bike carbs for £450. work paid for the postage too so it all profit
I have still got to pay for the final tuning. but that was on the cars for the bike carbs anyway.
and the Quaife is on back order with the factory. cant wait to get that fitted as its going to transform the launch and corner exits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYlda_IciHg
Alright so little update, sorry I've been off the radar. House move and work have been keeping me busy.
On Thursday I took the car to Northampton Motorsport for a final tune. Really happy with the out come. She made 159.9 bhp . After tweaking some driveability issues, and fitting the filters. She settled at 150bhp.
The mid range now really strong. And it sounds so. Good.
Still waiting on quaife to run a batch of BC diffs. She will be an absolute beast onces that's installed.
On Thursday I took the car to Northampton Motorsport for a final tune. Really happy with the out come. She made 159.9 bhp . After tweaking some driveability issues, and fitting the filters. She settled at 150bhp.
The mid range now really strong. And it sounds so. Good.
Still waiting on quaife to run a batch of BC diffs. She will be an absolute beast onces that's installed.
Searider said:
TheConverted said:
Bobberoo99 said:
Agree with everyone else, reads absolutely fine, the car looks great and is exactly how i wanted to do a Mk2 Fiesta myself, never got around to doing it though, i see you must be fairly local to me, as i know Botley very well!!!
I'm in sarisbury green, just about to move about near parkgate. Thanks, I've been on PH long enough to know there's a few militant grammar starzi around.
So I've still not had chance to actually use it post tune, which is abit sad. After I left Northampton. I was in traffic. Had a few cheeky little WOT runs. But somewhere between the M1 and the M40 I managed to snap the throttle linkage. At the time I felt a click under my foot. I assumed the cable had just slipped.
Everything felt ok and it was still driving good(just with 60-70%. Travel). There was a slight rattle on overrun. (When the cable was slack) . It sounded like when the coolant return hose touches the bonnet release. If you knock the hose when working on it it makes the bonnet release rattle. And as Troy had bee in and out of the bay all day I figured it was that.
I didn't get a photo on the car (I'm rubbish at this). But here's the aftermath
After a quick chat with eurocarb to confirm this linkage would fit. I've spent the morning fitting it and rebalancing the carbs. More work than it should have been. Couple of other niggles needed sorting. The ideal screw was bodged by the previous carb owner. So that needed a proper fix. And the linkage kit needed a little massaging to fit between the carbs.
Although eurocarb did me a kipper on the fuel hoes, the linkage hits it. You will see the janky angles in the pictures to miss the linkage. I've ordered some banjos with a bigger offset, To miss it properly.
Not all bad though. as even though I'd checked the throttle levers on the carbs, they had enough play to cause them to go out of balance each run, much to troys frustration. And the new kit has new ones
Treated her to a wash as it was a pretty damp run on Thursday. And our longest trip, with a good 4-5hours in the road. My backs still sore
Also a glimpse of the new garage. Bit more work Todo but think I have it laid out pretty good already.
Everything felt ok and it was still driving good(just with 60-70%. Travel). There was a slight rattle on overrun. (When the cable was slack) . It sounded like when the coolant return hose touches the bonnet release. If you knock the hose when working on it it makes the bonnet release rattle. And as Troy had bee in and out of the bay all day I figured it was that.
I didn't get a photo on the car (I'm rubbish at this). But here's the aftermath
After a quick chat with eurocarb to confirm this linkage would fit. I've spent the morning fitting it and rebalancing the carbs. More work than it should have been. Couple of other niggles needed sorting. The ideal screw was bodged by the previous carb owner. So that needed a proper fix. And the linkage kit needed a little massaging to fit between the carbs.
Although eurocarb did me a kipper on the fuel hoes, the linkage hits it. You will see the janky angles in the pictures to miss the linkage. I've ordered some banjos with a bigger offset, To miss it properly.
Not all bad though. as even though I'd checked the throttle levers on the carbs, they had enough play to cause them to go out of balance each run, much to troys frustration. And the new kit has new ones
Treated her to a wash as it was a pretty damp run on Thursday. And our longest trip, with a good 4-5hours in the road. My backs still sore
Also a glimpse of the new garage. Bit more work Todo but think I have it laid out pretty good already.
Edited by TheConverted on Saturday 6th March 22:39
Cheers guys, the nice comments really help. i had the previous owner asking how much id sell it for on sunday. so must admit I've been having a wobble, theirs not alot out there in budget that id want.
yes the show it was used for is goblin works mod shop. its a proper for TV thing that, to quote Jimmy deville himself 'were just meat puppets'
yes the show it was used for is goblin works mod shop. its a proper for TV thing that, to quote Jimmy deville himself 'were just meat puppets'
Little update, and there's a few more bits in the post.
The quaife finally arrived. So got the box off to my local gearbox specialist.
Got the box out in pretty decent time even without a lift, took just over an hour. I was also faffing about trying to keep the freshly painted floor clean!
Picked the box up the following Saturday, and immediately fitted it. much to the annoyance of swmbo. As I was due to go kite surfing in the afternoon too, Cashed all of my points in in one day.
I new it would make a difference, but Jesus Christ. It a freaking animal now. It pulls so hard out of corners and actually tightens the line. Almost caught myself out thinking she would wash wide, when instead she went straight for the curb at the apex.
I've had quaifes before but never noticed it to this effective, and violent in the power delivery. I'm guessing it's a combination of the light weight and incredible throttle response.
Genuinely feel like I'm getting close to some kind of finish or end game.
Some more fun bit coming in the post.
Very rare B&M quick shifter.
Tubular trailing arms
Digital dash
And a treat for me, has to be one of my favourite steering wheels of all time. I might not be the perfect choice for the car but there so beautiful.
MOMO prototipo
The quaife finally arrived. So got the box off to my local gearbox specialist.
Got the box out in pretty decent time even without a lift, took just over an hour. I was also faffing about trying to keep the freshly painted floor clean!
Picked the box up the following Saturday, and immediately fitted it. much to the annoyance of swmbo. As I was due to go kite surfing in the afternoon too, Cashed all of my points in in one day.
I new it would make a difference, but Jesus Christ. It a freaking animal now. It pulls so hard out of corners and actually tightens the line. Almost caught myself out thinking she would wash wide, when instead she went straight for the curb at the apex.
I've had quaifes before but never noticed it to this effective, and violent in the power delivery. I'm guessing it's a combination of the light weight and incredible throttle response.
Genuinely feel like I'm getting close to some kind of finish or end game.
Some more fun bit coming in the post.
Very rare B&M quick shifter.
Tubular trailing arms
Digital dash
And a treat for me, has to be one of my favourite steering wheels of all time. I might not be the perfect choice for the car but there so beautiful.
MOMO prototipo
I mentioned the exhaust a while back, but I've been too shy about my s
t welds
I have this lovely manifold, as it's listed as conversion one. Turns out you don't actually need a conversion one for my swap.
The coupling I've circled, had leaked from day one. It sits in the channel in the sump, because there isn't a flexy on the MK2. It has become the point of articulation for any engine or exhaust movement. No matter how thight the slip joint is it warps and starts to leak.
The exhaust I have is also abit loose on fitment and need massaging when fitted.
I decided to cut back the manifold and weld in a much nicer collector and further forward so I could fit a Flexi as close to the engine as possible. And then put in a proper v-band so that it actually airtight.
Don't laugh at my weld too much, they are sold and airtight.
I guess you just get used to it but it sounds so much better that before. As the slight blow always made it sound tinny. It also means I don't gas my self if it running while I'm working on it.
Also moved the O2 sensor to a better position, I mis read the disructions originally.
it used to work though.
Sorry I'm st at remembering pictures for you guys. So here's some old ones I found.
It's still practical, Ish. My two favourite things the fiesta and kitesurfing.
These were taken at the bottom of the road from my house. when I got her running on the 1.8 for the first time. Think it was idling on 3 still at the time it I had to drive it.
Doggo helping me with the gaskets bon the original 1.8
Found this in the original 1.0 fuel line, did people really believe ?
My wife would discribe me as walking chaos, I beg to differ! Either stem seals or head gasket on the 1.8.
The 1.0 coming out.
t welds I have this lovely manifold, as it's listed as conversion one. Turns out you don't actually need a conversion one for my swap.
The coupling I've circled, had leaked from day one. It sits in the channel in the sump, because there isn't a flexy on the MK2. It has become the point of articulation for any engine or exhaust movement. No matter how thight the slip joint is it warps and starts to leak.
The exhaust I have is also abit loose on fitment and need massaging when fitted.
I decided to cut back the manifold and weld in a much nicer collector and further forward so I could fit a Flexi as close to the engine as possible. And then put in a proper v-band so that it actually airtight.
Don't laugh at my weld too much, they are sold and airtight.
I guess you just get used to it but it sounds so much better that before. As the slight blow always made it sound tinny. It also means I don't gas my self if it running while I'm working on it.
Also moved the O2 sensor to a better position, I mis read the disructions originally.
it used to work though. Sorry I'm s
t at remembering pictures for you guys. So here's some old ones I found. It's still practical, Ish. My two favourite things the fiesta and kitesurfing.
These were taken at the bottom of the road from my house. when I got her running on the 1.8 for the first time. Think it was idling on 3 still at the time it I had to drive it.
Doggo helping me with the gaskets bon the original 1.8
Found this in the original 1.0 fuel line, did people really believe ?
My wife would discribe me as walking chaos, I beg to differ! Either stem seals or head gasket on the 1.8.
The 1.0 coming out.
I don't even know how to describe how good the car is now. I've only been out for a half hour 'italian tune up' but God it's good, I'll try and get a few more miles and photos over the weekend.
She hooks so hard now, and the short shifter is so direct. Genuinely feels like a bolt action rifle. I've always been a believer in a compliant chassis, especially for a road car being able to move the weight around if really enjoyable, and helps with grip especially on a bumpy b road. I was starting to question it with the fiesta. Although you could rotate the car nicely with trailing throttle. It would quickly became understeer with som power on the exit. Don't get me wrong it was still very very good . But always felt like there was a bit more available. I'd been looking at updated roll bars. However with the diff. She just tightens the line in thottle.
This beauti arrived too! I new the steering column was a jaunty angle in the MK2. But it is a fair bit out. The XR2 wheel is all kinds of weird to make it staight at center. The new angle will take some getting used to but at least it doesn't move around.
Here the B&M quick shift kit, these were aren't made anymore, and don't come up forsale. This is the first I've seen so snapped it up. It's excellent. Makes the already improved puma linkage I was using feel like a wood spoon. I think it probably half the throw of the puma, which was half the throw of the factory one.
Just waiting on the tubular trailing arms and my digital dash.
Cars an absolute weapon, very happy with were shes at.
She hooks so hard now, and the short shifter is so direct. Genuinely feels like a bolt action rifle. I've always been a believer in a compliant chassis, especially for a road car being able to move the weight around if really enjoyable, and helps with grip especially on a bumpy b road. I was starting to question it with the fiesta. Although you could rotate the car nicely with trailing throttle. It would quickly became understeer with som power on the exit. Don't get me wrong it was still very very good . But always felt like there was a bit more available. I'd been looking at updated roll bars. However with the diff. She just tightens the line in thottle.
This beauti arrived too! I new the steering column was a jaunty angle in the MK2. But it is a fair bit out. The XR2 wheel is all kinds of weird to make it staight at center. The new angle will take some getting used to but at least it doesn't move around.
Here the B&M quick shift kit, these were aren't made anymore, and don't come up forsale. This is the first I've seen so snapped it up. It's excellent. Makes the already improved puma linkage I was using feel like a wood spoon. I think it probably half the throw of the puma, which was half the throw of the factory one.
Just waiting on the tubular trailing arms and my digital dash.
Cars an absolute weapon, very happy with were shes at.
mwstewart said:
i need to hire there sales guy, 600 units to the north Yorkshire fire service. snake oil at its finest.
Some little jobs done.
The rear end has always been a bit floaty in fast corners, hopefully these will help. There much stiffer in the car,than the pressed ones.
So the new shifter is great, but it is alittle stiff. I noticed the UJ on the end of the shift rod was locked solid. But as I'd already sold the ford puma linkage in the car I fitted it anyway, just love doing things twice.
So last night I pulled it apart to find out why. As you can see it has tiny ball races in it, which if I'm honest is a piss poor design.
As you'ed expect for a tiny ballrace in an application with very little movement, fairly high load with. alot of shocks it's shattered the inner race. I'm pretty confident this is, somebody else's idea. As the studs are fully threaded. And over length. Also theres no support for the bearings and lots of play on the studs.
I had some handy bronze billet in stock, my first choice would have been acetal. But if I have it way by more.
So I've machined a bronze bush for each side of the UJ. That bolts up thight. And allows the shaft to run on the bronze. There is very little movement. Required, however it does need to be free. Plastic washers are just to take up anyend float.
Works a treat, the changes is now much smoother. But still nige an positive.
The rear end has always been a bit floaty in fast corners, hopefully these will help. There much stiffer in the car,than the pressed ones.
So the new shifter is great, but it is alittle stiff. I noticed the UJ on the end of the shift rod was locked solid. But as I'd already sold the ford puma linkage in the car I fitted it anyway, just love doing things twice.
So last night I pulled it apart to find out why. As you can see it has tiny ball races in it, which if I'm honest is a piss poor design.
As you'ed expect for a tiny ballrace in an application with very little movement, fairly high load with. alot of shocks it's shattered the inner race. I'm pretty confident this is, somebody else's idea. As the studs are fully threaded. And over length. Also theres no support for the bearings and lots of play on the studs.
I had some handy bronze billet in stock, my first choice would have been acetal. But if I have it way by more.
So I've machined a bronze bush for each side of the UJ. That bolts up thight. And allows the shaft to run on the bronze. There is very little movement. Required, however it does need to be free. Plastic washers are just to take up anyend float.
Works a treat, the changes is now much smoother. But still nige an positive.
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