Porsche 911 997.1 Daily Driver
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Jhonno said:
Should have gone black there...
ARB bushes are somewhere where there is no negative to be had fitting poly bushes.
Was worried the black series would be too stiff. The purple ones also come with a lifetime warranty but the black series don't. Ill have to see how they are, there is no issue with the oem ones so it should be fine ARB bushes are somewhere where there is no negative to be had fitting poly bushes.
Iv let a few friends drive my car as I like to share the ownership experience with them and hopefully ignite something within them to buy a car purely for enjoyment too.
Well, its finally paid off. Helped a friend out over the last week looking at Caymans and then finally purchasing one
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Its a base Cayman 2.7 in pretty much time warp condition which is good going considering its on 110k miles.
The 2.7 was chose as they seem to be the most reliable engines and apparently don't suffer from bore scoring.
Im insured on it from Monday so will be interesting to see the differences between the two cars. The Cayman is worth less than half of the 911 but I'm sure its just as good to drive.
Well, its finally paid off. Helped a friend out over the last week looking at Caymans and then finally purchasing one
|Its a base Cayman 2.7 in pretty much time warp condition which is good going considering its on 110k miles.
The 2.7 was chose as they seem to be the most reliable engines and apparently don't suffer from bore scoring.
Im insured on it from Monday so will be interesting to see the differences between the two cars. The Cayman is worth less than half of the 911 but I'm sure its just as good to drive.
Edited by adean22 on Friday 29th September 14:37
Edited by adean22 on Friday 29th September 14:39
adean22 said:
Iv let a few friends drive my car as I like to share the ownership experience with them and hopefully ignite something within them to buy a car purely for enjoyment too.
Well, its finally paid off. Helped a friend out over the last week looking at Caymans and then finally purchasing one
|https://thumbsnap.com/BDdT5Pme[/url]
Its a base Cayman 2.7 in pretty much time warp condition which is good going considering its on 110k miles.
The 2.7 was chose as they seem to be the most reliable engines and apparently don't suffer from bore scoring.
IM insured on it from Monday so will be interesting to see the differences between the two cars. The Cayman is worth less than half of the 911 but I'm sure its just as good to drive.
Congratulations to your friend! Well, its finally paid off. Helped a friend out over the last week looking at Caymans and then finally purchasing one
|https://thumbsnap.com/BDdT5Pme[/url]Its a base Cayman 2.7 in pretty much time warp condition which is good going considering its on 110k miles.
The 2.7 was chose as they seem to be the most reliable engines and apparently don't suffer from bore scoring.
IM insured on it from Monday so will be interesting to see the differences between the two cars. The Cayman is worth less than half of the 911 but I'm sure its just as good to drive.
I remember having looked at a 2.7 Boxster about 10 years ago and I was astounded by how well it went. They are brilliant little cars that are perfectly weighted and sit so well on the road. They sound just as good as their bigger brothers and are more than fast enough for the road.
Will you loose a grandprix start against a fast Golf? Probably, but who cares.
Decided to tackle swapping over the suspension arms this weekend.
First things first was to get the car up in the air with the wheels off
First up the sway bar connections snapped - not a massive issue they are easily cut off and then the bolt knocked out of the sway bar.
The control arms were seized in on the ball joint side and the bolt side where it bolts into the subframe. Id read about this on Porsche forums so were expecting there to be some difficulty.
It had been recommended to me to cut the old control arms in half, this will give you a better angle at the ball join to remove it and gain better access to the bolt at the subframe side.
I managed to get the balljoints out with a ball joint removal tool. These were the hardest balljoints iv ever removed , they have bent the tool and they only just removed just before the tool broke .
Most people cut out the seized bolt whilst the subframe is on the car. I really wasn't comfortable with this due to the fuel tank, coolant lines and power steering lines all being in such close proximity to the bolt. So I cracked on with removing the subframe, this way i could remove the seized bolts carefully and also gain insight into how the front end of this car goes together.
Subframe was now out of the car - couldn't remove that one cross brace as the captive nut is now longer captive, ill get that welded back before it goes back on so that if I ever need to remove the brace I don't have the issue of the nut and bolt spinning together .
Once the subframe was out and on a workbench I went about cutting the seized bolt that was causing the "coffin arms" to be stuck in the subframe. These came out easy enough - was just a case of carefully cutting through the rubber bush until I got to the metal sleeve and the bolt. Once this was cut they both came out. It looks like the entire bolt length has seized to the metal tube within the bushing.
Next up changing the anti roll bar bushings - you can see in the picture how old and worn the old ones look
So now its a case of putting everything back together, it will have to wait a few days as I need to order some new drop links due to one breaking.
First things first was to get the car up in the air with the wheels off
First up the sway bar connections snapped - not a massive issue they are easily cut off and then the bolt knocked out of the sway bar.
The control arms were seized in on the ball joint side and the bolt side where it bolts into the subframe. Id read about this on Porsche forums so were expecting there to be some difficulty.
It had been recommended to me to cut the old control arms in half, this will give you a better angle at the ball join to remove it and gain better access to the bolt at the subframe side.
I managed to get the balljoints out with a ball joint removal tool. These were the hardest balljoints iv ever removed , they have bent the tool and they only just removed just before the tool broke .
Most people cut out the seized bolt whilst the subframe is on the car. I really wasn't comfortable with this due to the fuel tank, coolant lines and power steering lines all being in such close proximity to the bolt. So I cracked on with removing the subframe, this way i could remove the seized bolts carefully and also gain insight into how the front end of this car goes together.
Subframe was now out of the car - couldn't remove that one cross brace as the captive nut is now longer captive, ill get that welded back before it goes back on so that if I ever need to remove the brace I don't have the issue of the nut and bolt spinning together .
Once the subframe was out and on a workbench I went about cutting the seized bolt that was causing the "coffin arms" to be stuck in the subframe. These came out easy enough - was just a case of carefully cutting through the rubber bush until I got to the metal sleeve and the bolt. Once this was cut they both came out. It looks like the entire bolt length has seized to the metal tube within the bushing.
Next up changing the anti roll bar bushings - you can see in the picture how old and worn the old ones look
So now its a case of putting everything back together, it will have to wait a few days as I need to order some new drop links due to one breaking.
Whilst cleaning the subframe iv noticed a small crack where the lower control arm connects to the subframe......
Iv done some research and found a lot of people have had these subframes crack. Lots of people have had success with welding it so that's the plan for this. Shown someone who weld aluminum and they are fairly happy they can sort it so we will see. Failing that a new subframe will be ordered
Iv done some research and found a lot of people have had these subframes crack. Lots of people have had success with welding it so that's the plan for this. Shown someone who weld aluminum and they are fairly happy they can sort it so we will see. Failing that a new subframe will be ordered
Got delivery of the drop links and bolts I was waiting for so hopefully by a miracle the car will be back together tonight.
I'm excited to see how the car drives after all of this, I'm guessing it will probably need an alignment though. I'm also excited to see the car back together with all the new shiny parts on.
Next month marks 2 years with the car so I'm currently planning a trip round Scotland for next month as its somewhere iv always wanted to take the car but haven't had chance yet.
I'm excited to see how the car drives after all of this, I'm guessing it will probably need an alignment though. I'm also excited to see the car back together with all the new shiny parts on.
Next month marks 2 years with the car so I'm currently planning a trip round Scotland for next month as its somewhere iv always wanted to take the car but haven't had chance yet.
Last night was time to get the car back together.
I started with making up the subframe with the suspension arms separately so I could raise it up to the car already pre assembled.
I then used a transmission jack to raise this up to the car allowing me to bolt it into place
New droplinks then attached to the anti roll bar
Once everything was on I torques everything up and attached the undertray and wheels back on.
Then it was time to try it out. Iv done about 70 miles in the car since last night and I'm glad to say that the car doesnt feel any stiffer and iv not noticed any NVH increases. The main thing iv noticed is how quiet the front end is. Before when going over little bumps there was a slight thud noise, this has now gone - the car seems to handle bumps a lot better - I'm guessing this shows how worn the old bushings were. I'm interested to push to car harder and see how it is
I started with making up the subframe with the suspension arms separately so I could raise it up to the car already pre assembled.
I then used a transmission jack to raise this up to the car allowing me to bolt it into place
New droplinks then attached to the anti roll bar
Once everything was on I torques everything up and attached the undertray and wheels back on.
Then it was time to try it out. Iv done about 70 miles in the car since last night and I'm glad to say that the car doesnt feel any stiffer and iv not noticed any NVH increases. The main thing iv noticed is how quiet the front end is. Before when going over little bumps there was a slight thud noise, this has now gone - the car seems to handle bumps a lot better - I'm guessing this shows how worn the old bushings were. I'm interested to push to car harder and see how it is
Ended up testing the new suspension arms rather extensively last weekend. An impromptu trip to Chichester came up - was meant to be car sharing with a friend but as the weather was looking like the last "summer weather" of the year it swayed me to bring my own car.
As Chichester is a 6 hour drive we had planned a few stops along the way, first one being Caffeine and Machine
I always love it here - even at midday on a weekday there was a cool selection of cars - with it being in the middle of the country its ideal as a pit stop for when travelling down south.
Next stop was also car related (kinda)
I'm glad I went but I wont be in a rush to go back
Id reset my AVG MPG before this trip and i was happy to see this when I arrived at Diddly Squat Farm.
This was sitting at the speed limit and the journey being 80% motorway and 20% national speed limit roads . I think its rather impressive for an old 3.8 litre engine. A 2.7 Cayman also did the same journey with me and got 35 MPG. Not bad economy at all from 2 Porsches.
Upon arriving at Chichester I had a google of what there was around, turns out Goodwood was 10 minutes away from where I was staying, would be rude not to go.
There was a trackday on that had some pretty serious cars there which made it a good day to watch the cars on the track.
I liked how laid back the approach at goodwood is, your free to wander round everywheres and look at everything. Round the back I came across this:
Its a DP widebody 928. They are the widest tyres Iv ever seen on a car - I'm guessing they are the same size as a Lamborghini Countach.
I ended up spending a lot of time at Goodwood over the weekend and I think ill be buying a ticket to Goodwood festival of speed next year as iv never got round to going .
Including the drive back I covered about 700 miles this weekend so it was a good test for the new front suspension parts and polybushes. I even got to push the car rather hard round some of the lovely country lanes near the south coast.
All in all there isn't much difference. The car does feel more direct on the front end but the old bushes were worn so any new bushes would of made this difference. A lot of the roads were in bad shape and the car feels both more compliant yet stiffer over the bumps and potholes. You can feel the bump a little more through your steering wheel but the car seems happier going over them - its hard to explain. But most importantly no more squeaks when going over bumps and when turning at low speeds in car parks etc. Its saved a lot of embarrassment over the old suspension arms
As Chichester is a 6 hour drive we had planned a few stops along the way, first one being Caffeine and Machine
I always love it here - even at midday on a weekday there was a cool selection of cars - with it being in the middle of the country its ideal as a pit stop for when travelling down south.
Next stop was also car related (kinda)
I'm glad I went but I wont be in a rush to go back
Id reset my AVG MPG before this trip and i was happy to see this when I arrived at Diddly Squat Farm.
This was sitting at the speed limit and the journey being 80% motorway and 20% national speed limit roads . I think its rather impressive for an old 3.8 litre engine. A 2.7 Cayman also did the same journey with me and got 35 MPG. Not bad economy at all from 2 Porsches.
Upon arriving at Chichester I had a google of what there was around, turns out Goodwood was 10 minutes away from where I was staying, would be rude not to go.
There was a trackday on that had some pretty serious cars there which made it a good day to watch the cars on the track.
I liked how laid back the approach at goodwood is, your free to wander round everywheres and look at everything. Round the back I came across this:
Its a DP widebody 928. They are the widest tyres Iv ever seen on a car - I'm guessing they are the same size as a Lamborghini Countach.
I ended up spending a lot of time at Goodwood over the weekend and I think ill be buying a ticket to Goodwood festival of speed next year as iv never got round to going .
Including the drive back I covered about 700 miles this weekend so it was a good test for the new front suspension parts and polybushes. I even got to push the car rather hard round some of the lovely country lanes near the south coast.
All in all there isn't much difference. The car does feel more direct on the front end but the old bushes were worn so any new bushes would of made this difference. A lot of the roads were in bad shape and the car feels both more compliant yet stiffer over the bumps and potholes. You can feel the bump a little more through your steering wheel but the car seems happier going over them - its hard to explain. But most importantly no more squeaks when going over bumps and when turning at low speeds in car parks etc. Its saved a lot of embarrassment over the old suspension arms
Jhonno said:
Always satisfying.. Especially after doing work to the car to keep it in rude health.
AT this point even my mans math's is thinking ouch at how much iv spent Iv had the car 2 years next week so may do a post with a break down on running and maintenance costs over the 2 years . Iv already worked out the numbers and its not nice
2 years with the car
Today marks 2 years since I collected the car so thought id break down ownership costs incase anyone was wondering - it may even help people weighing up buying a 997. I'm gonna go into a lot of detail with costs so if you don't like numbers look away.
So iv done 21,200 miles in the 2 years iv had the car which brings it now to just under 115,000 miles.
In this time iv spent £8,345.54. This excludes fuel, insurance and tax. It includes maintenance, mods and misc such as bodywork etc. This gives us £4,172.77 a year or £347.73 a month. If we exclude mods and misc and only factor in maintenance it gives us £5,953.15. So £2,976.575 a year or £248.05 a month. Before I bought the car a lot of people said allow about 3k a year to maintain - I guess they were pretty much right
Lets split that number down into different sections
- Maintenance = £5,953.15
- Mods = £1,515.64
- Misc incl bodywork = £876.75
- Fuel = £7400 Iv done 21,200 miles at an average of 21 MPG - avg fuel price of £1.61/litre
- Insurance = £2750 . First year was £2100, second 650 and now its gone up to 850 for the start of the third year. - I'm not including the third year as that isn't in the first 2 years for costing
- Tax = £1245 - I'm not including this years tax as that is the 3rd year of ownership costs
- Total of £11,395
Now if we include the cost of the car it gives us £45,740.54................. OUCH, granted id of needed a car anyway so this number isn't as bad as it looks. Id have pay fuel, insurance and tax on anything I had
To give an easy number let say the car is worth 25k (may not be too accurate but I don't plan on selling so it doesnt really matter) . So subtract that from the total cost we have £20,740.54 - if the car was sold today that's how much its costs me to run it and own it. That makes it £10,370.27 a year or £864.19 a month. Sounds a lot but if you factor in the lease cost on new vehicles - plus they would need fuel and insurance too I don't think that number is too shocking
Plans for the car in the future is the same as it has been in the previous 2 years - just keep using it and making memories. Hoping to tick a few more countries off the list with the car next year
Edited by adean22 on Monday 16th October 09:41
Edited by adean22 on Monday 16th October 10:48
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