BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe
Discussion
coldel said:
Yes will do - apparently only 250 or so of these 3.0si coupes left so can imagine they will climb in value if the Z4M continues its trajectory.
They've not got any cheaper over the past few years I don't think (albeit COVID has helped with that)I've driven both and whilst the M is more special I'd say you get 90% of the experience with the Si for 40% of the cost
TwoStrokeNut said:
I just put the Goodyear F1 5s on my Z4M.
Unlike the F1 3s, there is now quite a pronounced drone from them at 75mph or so. A bit disappointing, but it's already improving with a few miles. The non M zeds have different sizes anyway.
I found the latest ones noticeably noisier than earlier F1's but still good, particularly at ironing out those jarring little bumps. Iirc they have rim protection too, which might be a good idea if you're spending quite a bit on the wheels. Unlike the F1 3s, there is now quite a pronounced drone from them at 75mph or so. A bit disappointing, but it's already improving with a few miles. The non M zeds have different sizes anyway.
Great purchase and lovely looking thing! Being a bit of a tart, I'd always go for the roof-off option but there's something so right about the design of the Coupe.
I can't speak from personal experience, so this is anecdotal and purely for passing on some info - a 3.0Si roadster owner I know (who's had it for quite some while) told me that Michelin PS4s are unequivocally the best tyres he's ever fitted to the car. Saying that, I don't know what he was comparing them to but knowing how he spends on the car, they would have been premium.
(He was encouraging me to swap to 18" wheels with PS4s on my lowly 2.5i. I quite like the ride on 17s and all my tyres are good, so I won't be going down that road just now.)
I can't speak from personal experience, so this is anecdotal and purely for passing on some info - a 3.0Si roadster owner I know (who's had it for quite some while) told me that Michelin PS4s are unequivocally the best tyres he's ever fitted to the car. Saying that, I don't know what he was comparing them to but knowing how he spends on the car, they would have been premium.
(He was encouraging me to swap to 18" wheels with PS4s on my lowly 2.5i. I quite like the ride on 17s and all my tyres are good, so I won't be going down that road just now.)
Great choice OP, congratulations! I still love how we only got the 3.0 and the M in the UK.
I ran one for a few years, great cars. Feels nice and compact on small roads and the engine is a dream, but the boot is surprisingly practical (I even went to glastonbury in mine haha).
For bluetooth, check out bluebus. Adds bluetooth streaming & phone calls using the OEM head unit.
I ran one for a few years, great cars. Feels nice and compact on small roads and the engine is a dream, but the boot is surprisingly practical (I even went to glastonbury in mine haha).
For bluetooth, check out bluebus. Adds bluetooth streaming & phone calls using the OEM head unit.
Thanks for the tip on Bluebus I will look into it. I would like to retain OEM head unit. I will look at what I can do with the speakers but thats down the line.
Yes the PS4 tyres are so well reviewed, I am on a number of car forums and they perform really well - but thats also reflected in the price. Given the blackcircles deal putting them almost on par with Goodyear I will probably opt for them.
Yes the PS4 tyres are so well reviewed, I am on a number of car forums and they perform really well - but thats also reflected in the price. Given the blackcircles deal putting them almost on par with Goodyear I will probably opt for them.
flight147z said:
They've not got any cheaper over the past few years I don't think (albeit COVID has helped with that)
I've driven both and whilst the M is more special I'd say you get 90% of the experience with the Si for 40% of the cost
That's useful as I'm looking and the 3.0 Coupe's are, I think, still reasonable value whereas the M's have gone crazy. I've driven both and whilst the M is more special I'd say you get 90% of the experience with the Si for 40% of the cost
There is a blue Z4MC in London that I am sure was low £20k's in Nov/Dec and is now up around £28k having never sold!
coldel said:
Yes will do - apparently only 250 or so of these 3.0si coupes left so can imagine they will climb in value if the Z4M continues its trajectory.
Where did you get that figure from? Sure there were something like 3500 sold in the uk, find it hard to believe there are only 250 left.There was a website somewhere that you could drill down the numbers for colours, wheels, interior etc. Can't seem to find it now though.
curvature said:
That's useful as I'm looking and the 3.0 Coupe's are, I think, still reasonable value whereas the M's have gone crazy.
There is a blue Z4MC in London that I am sure was low £20k's in Nov/Dec and is now up around £28k having never sold!
I'd be surprised if there were as few as 250 3.0Si Coupes left as just over 2,000 were registered in the UK, but less than 600 M Coupes were registered here. There is a blue Z4MC in London that I am sure was low £20k's in Nov/Dec and is now up around £28k having never sold!
I bought my first 3.0Si Coupe in 2014, my 2nd in 2016 but then the inevitable happened and a couple of years ago I got an MC.
The 3.0Si has a fantastic engine, but the M really does have something special - it makes my spine tingle as soon as I start it up.
Someone said 90% of the car for 40% of the money - I've always thought 80% of the car for 50% of the money, but it's probably anywhere in between!
If I was using one as a daily driver I'd go for the 3.0Si every time, but for a car for special occasions it would be the M assuming the higher maintenance costs were affordable as they can be significant.
OK the Ms do have Hydraulic PAS, an LSD and no run-flats, but on the BMW service schedule every other service requires valve clearances to be checked and adjusted using shims as required. If your BMW Indy also notices that your cam-chain tensioner is sticking and your RTABs are knackered that's a 4 figure bill.
And another one-off 4 figure bill for for new crank rod bearing shells and engine mounts.
You really do need to go into M ownership with your eyes, and wallet, open!
But when you get it properly warmed up and find an empty road in front of you getting to the 8,000 rpm limiter makes it all worthwhile.
Mr Tidy said:
I'd be surprised if there were as few as 250 3.0Si Coupes left as just over 2,000 were registered in the UK, but less than 600 M Coupes were registered here.
I bought my first 3.0Si Coupe in 2014, my 2nd in 2016 but then the inevitable happened and a couple of years ago I got an MC.
The 3.0Si has a fantastic engine, but the M really does have something special - it makes my spine tingle as soon as I start it up.
Someone said 90% of the car for 40% of the money - I've always thought 80% of the car for 50% of the money, but it's probably anywhere in between!
If I was using one as a daily driver I'd go for the 3.0Si every time, but for a car for special occasions it would be the M assuming the higher maintenance costs were affordable as they can be significant.
OK the Ms do have Hydraulic PAS, an LSD and no run-flats, but on the BMW service schedule every other service requires valve clearances to be checked and adjusted using shims as required. If your BMW Indy also notices that your cam-chain tensioner is sticking and your RTABs are knackered that's a 4 figure bill.
And another one-off 4 figure bill for for new crank rod bearing shells and engine mounts.
You really do need to go into M ownership with your eyes, and wallet, open!
But when you get it properly warmed up and find an empty road in front of you getting to the 8,000 rpm limiter makes it all worthwhile.
Anyway back on topic "coldel"'s Coupe looks great!
I bought my first 3.0Si Coupe in 2014, my 2nd in 2016 but then the inevitable happened and a couple of years ago I got an MC.
The 3.0Si has a fantastic engine, but the M really does have something special - it makes my spine tingle as soon as I start it up.
Someone said 90% of the car for 40% of the money - I've always thought 80% of the car for 50% of the money, but it's probably anywhere in between!
If I was using one as a daily driver I'd go for the 3.0Si every time, but for a car for special occasions it would be the M assuming the higher maintenance costs were affordable as they can be significant.
OK the Ms do have Hydraulic PAS, an LSD and no run-flats, but on the BMW service schedule every other service requires valve clearances to be checked and adjusted using shims as required. If your BMW Indy also notices that your cam-chain tensioner is sticking and your RTABs are knackered that's a 4 figure bill.
And another one-off 4 figure bill for for new crank rod bearing shells and engine mounts.
You really do need to go into M ownership with your eyes, and wallet, open!
But when you get it properly warmed up and find an empty road in front of you getting to the 8,000 rpm limiter makes it all worthwhile.
Anyway back on topic "coldel"'s Coupe looks great!
They're a great looking car. Here's mine, 'only' an SE but with bilsteins on. No further mods planned on this one as it's too nice and only 44k miles
Now I'm looking for a higher mileage one to mod for trackday use. Some of the ones on the Z4 forum look so much fun, for a reasonable outlay
Thanks guys. I know its very approximate but according to howmanyleft there are circa 250 manuals and 130 autos. There are a few threads on the Z4 forum but production numbers for the 3.0si manual coupe were for the UK around 1600. Not inconceivable that a rear wheel drive sports car has lost so many to ditches/scrappers in 12-14 years.
First job is to lose the damn run flats, they are really bad.
First job is to lose the damn run flats, they are really bad.
How many left’s model info isn’t reliable due to the data they use.. the z4 with a 3.0si engine came in 2 guises as you know e85(convertible) 54 according to how many left and the e86(coupe) ~260, they also have a catch all category, a z4 3.0si sport listed and there are neatly 2K of those these could be e85 or e86s?
Edited by MDUBZ on Friday 18th February 13:52
coldel said:
Thanks guys. I know its very approximate but according to howmanyleft there are circa 250 manuals and 130 autos. There are a few threads on the Z4 forum but production numbers for the 3.0si manual coupe were for the UK around 1600. Not inconceivable that a rear wheel drive sports car has lost so many to ditches/scrappers in 12-14 years.
First job is to lose the damn run flats, they are really bad.
The howmanyleft data isn't correct. You'll find the data somewhere on the Z4 forum, but there is thousands of them. First job is to lose the damn run flats, they are really bad.
Nice cars.
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