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L322s are brilliant things but are one of the ultimate champagne for lemonade money cars due to their values.
Hence rust, neglect and run on a budget that can’t stretch to the best parts.
I see it often on the disco 3 and 4 pages.
Car needs a new part.
Can’t stretch the small extra to get part A which is good, over part B which is cheap and nasty.
Fits part B.
A few months later part B fails.
Moans about unreliable car.
Everyone points to previous posts warning about using part B.
Your budget is in that strange bracket of a lot of overpriced rubbish mixed in with good cars. It’s sorting the wheat from the chaff that’s the issue.
Hence rust, neglect and run on a budget that can’t stretch to the best parts.
I see it often on the disco 3 and 4 pages.
Car needs a new part.
Can’t stretch the small extra to get part A which is good, over part B which is cheap and nasty.
Fits part B.
A few months later part B fails.
Moans about unreliable car.
Everyone points to previous posts warning about using part B.
Your budget is in that strange bracket of a lot of overpriced rubbish mixed in with good cars. It’s sorting the wheat from the chaff that’s the issue.
A.J.M said:
Your budget is in that strange bracket of a lot of overpriced rubbish mixed in with good cars. It’s sorting the wheat from the chaff that’s the issue.
Couldn't have put it better.I decided on the budget specifically because I'd prefer a car with a Jag engine but without the full interior facelift and electric handbrake (one more thing to go wrong...). It seemed like the sweet spot, and in the current climate I'm keen not to push past the point of diminishing returns.
If this were a 'toy' that I was keeping for a long time, I'd be happy to blow the budget. But this needs to be a dependable workhorse that I can use while we gently renovate the house we've bought.
Maybe the L322 isn't the answer?
For those asking the question about diesel, it's a nonstarter - I need a ULEZ compliant car.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 15th June 07:52
C70R said:
There seem to be more Range Rover Sports in my price bracket, which is a more logical and direct comparison to the Cayenne.
Am I more or less likely to get a good Sport at my budget?
It's the same as before but a different set of potential issues. I'd direct you back at A.J.M.'s statement regarding trying to maintain these things on a budget.Am I more or less likely to get a good Sport at my budget?
M
camel_landy said:
C70R said:
There seem to be more Range Rover Sports in my price bracket, which is a more logical and direct comparison to the Cayenne.
Am I more or less likely to get a good Sport at my budget?
It's the same as before but a different set of potential issues. I'd direct you back at A.J.M.'s statement regarding trying to maintain these things on a budget.Am I more or less likely to get a good Sport at my budget?
M
Carbon Sasquatch said:
C70R said:
So I'm basically panning for gold no matter which model I choose?
Yep - I'm sure a Porsche of similar vintage will be similar.There are some good ones about - diesel, 50% over budget, colours/body kit a bit marmite but - https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic63684.html
(Not sure on the ULEZ status of the 4.4 TDV8)
classicaholic said:
Carbon Sasquatch said:
C70R said:
So I'm basically panning for gold no matter which model I choose?
Yep - I'm sure a Porsche of similar vintage will be similar.There are some good ones about - diesel, 50% over budget, colours/body kit a bit marmite but - https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic63684.html
(Not sure on the ULEZ status of the 4.4 TDV8)
M
Just to chip in here personally I'd try and join some L322 forums / fb groups and see whats for sale as chances are you will be buying off an enthusiast that may have addressed all the usual issues and / or will be able to demonstrate a load of preventative maint has been carried out. Buying one off some random private punter / used car dealer is asking for trouble IMHO.
BlackStang5point0 said:
Just to chip in here personally I'd try and join some L322 forums / fb groups and see whats for sale as chances are you will be buying off an enthusiast that may have addressed all the usual issues and / or will be able to demonstrate a load of preventative maint has been carried out. Buying one off some random private punter / used car dealer is asking for trouble IMHO.
I have done, and have posted Wanted ads in 4 different groups. Plenty of people offering me diesels or cars with BMW engines. Not a single decent car offered so far...camel_landy said:
classicaholic said:
Carbon Sasquatch said:
C70R said:
So I'm basically panning for gold no matter which model I choose?
Yep - I'm sure a Porsche of similar vintage will be similar.There are some good ones about - diesel, 50% over budget, colours/body kit a bit marmite but - https://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic63684.html
(Not sure on the ULEZ status of the 4.4 TDV8)
M
C70R said:
It looks at least like upping my budget by 1k increases the number of Sports quite significantly, whereas that's not true of L322s...
The Sport was launched in 2005. The L322 was face lifted 06/07 - so there may be a step in price for face lifted cars that doesn't apply to the Sport - maybe ??Hi OP
I used AA to inspect mine, they give decent enough report for your negotiation or making your decision. The Engineer will also call you to talk you through once he/ she finished the inspection. Just make sure you are available to answer the phone near the time.
You can get a discount if you are already an AA member and they cover most of the country and save me the hassle for finding one local to the car, otherwise you add on the cost of the inspection for their time travelling and expense.
I used AA to inspect mine, they give decent enough report for your negotiation or making your decision. The Engineer will also call you to talk you through once he/ she finished the inspection. Just make sure you are available to answer the phone near the time.
You can get a discount if you are already an AA member and they cover most of the country and save me the hassle for finding one local to the car, otherwise you add on the cost of the inspection for their time travelling and expense.
Carbon Sasquatch said:
C70R said:
It looks at least like upping my budget by 1k increases the number of Sports quite significantly, whereas that's not true of L322s...
The Sport was launched in 2005. The L322 was face lifted 06/07 - so there may be a step in price for face lifted cars that doesn't apply to the Sport - maybe ??Tuscan Wil said:
Hi OP
I used AA to inspect mine, they give decent enough report for your negotiation or making your decision. The Engineer will also call you to talk you through once he/ she finished the inspection. Just make sure you are available to answer the phone near the time.
You can get a discount if you are already an AA member and they cover most of the country and save me the hassle for finding one local to the car, otherwise you add on the cost of the inspection for their time travelling and expense.
I hadn't even considered The AA. That's really helpful, thank you. I used AA to inspect mine, they give decent enough report for your negotiation or making your decision. The Engineer will also call you to talk you through once he/ she finished the inspection. Just make sure you are available to answer the phone near the time.
You can get a discount if you are already an AA member and they cover most of the country and save me the hassle for finding one local to the car, otherwise you add on the cost of the inspection for their time travelling and expense.
Was their knowledge about the specific model in-depth enough to be useful? Did they highlight any RR-specific areas or issues?
ETA - I just tried the website and when it came to input the registration it returned "I'm sorry, we don't inspect that model of vehicle" for L322, L320 and Cayenne. That was why I'd discounted them initially.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 15th June 12:12
C70R said:
I hadn't even considered The AA. That's really helpful, thank you.
Was their knowledge about the specific model in-depth enough to be useful? Did they highlight any RR-specific areas or issues?
ETA - I just tried the website and when it came to input the registration it returned "I'm sorry, we don't inspect that model of vehicle" for L322, L320 and Cayenne. That was why I'd discounted them initially.
That is strange. They just did mine about two months ago!?!? Mine was a 2012 model Westminster. I wonder if it is to do with the age of the vehicles. I recalled they stated in the web saying they don't do any classic cars or performance cars. But then again how do they define a classic car or a peformance car?Was their knowledge about the specific model in-depth enough to be useful? Did they highlight any RR-specific areas or issues?
ETA - I just tried the website and when it came to input the registration it returned "I'm sorry, we don't inspect that model of vehicle" for L322, L320 and Cayenne. That was why I'd discounted them initially.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 15th June 12:12
They certainly did't take anything apart to inspect any specific components, but they did have a good poke in the engine bay and underneath pointed out a few things that you can't see unless you know what you are looking at or the vehicle is on the ramp. They have a traffic light system. Mine have three red items which the dealer have sorted out . There were a few amber items, the dealer said they were not flagged up as advisory in a less-than-a-month-old MOT, so refuse to do them. But they did upgrade and extend the warranty to 12 months, instead of six originally, as a good will. It was a good price compared to others on the Auto trader.
Of course they will have all the usual caveats in the report, so it depends on what you intend to achieve. I personally think it is useful for bargaining and to give you a good idea of the vehicles over the shining and glossy bits. If you want to know any specific things of the specific models, the specialist will be a better route I guess? After my research, if the turbo or the trans box give up in a 64K TDV8, then it will just be my tough luck, but then who will put their neck on the block saying your car will be trouble free for the next xxxxx miles? All the amber items in the report were the normal wear and tear for the Rangie, which I can live with and just budget to it for my next service.
Tuscan Wil said:
C70R said:
I hadn't even considered The AA. That's really helpful, thank you.
Was their knowledge about the specific model in-depth enough to be useful? Did they highlight any RR-specific areas or issues?
ETA - I just tried the website and when it came to input the registration it returned "I'm sorry, we don't inspect that model of vehicle" for L322, L320 and Cayenne. That was why I'd discounted them initially.
That is strange. They just did mine about two months ago!?!? Mine was a 2012 model Westminster. I wonder if it is to do with the age of the vehicles. I recalled they stated in the web saying they don't do any classic cars or performance cars. But then again how do they define a classic car or a peformance car?Was their knowledge about the specific model in-depth enough to be useful? Did they highlight any RR-specific areas or issues?
ETA - I just tried the website and when it came to input the registration it returned "I'm sorry, we don't inspect that model of vehicle" for L322, L320 and Cayenne. That was why I'd discounted them initially.
Edited by C70R on Wednesday 15th June 12:12
They certainly did't take anything apart to inspect any specific components, but they did have a good poke in the engine bay and underneath pointed out a few things that you can't see unless you know what you are looking at or the vehicle is on the ramp. They have a traffic light system. Mine have three red items which the dealer have sorted out . There were a few amber items, the dealer said they were not flagged up as advisory in a less-than-a-month-old MOT, so refuse to do them. But they did upgrade and extend the warranty to 12 months, instead of six originally, as a good will. It was a good price compared to others on the Auto trader.
Of course they will have all the usual caveats in the report, so it depends on what you intend to achieve. I personally think it is useful for bargaining and to give you a good idea of the vehicles over the shining and glossy bits. If you want to know any specific things of the specific models, the specialist will be a better route I guess? After my research, if the turbo or the trans box give up in a 64K TDV8, then it will just be my tough luck, but then who will put their neck on the block saying your car will be trouble free for the next xxxxx miles? All the amber items in the report were the normal wear and tear for the Rangie, which I can live with and just budget to it for my next service.
Another day, another rubbish L322 for sale.
It looked promising, and a call to the dealer seemed to reinforce the condition that the photos were showing. The listing was limited and the car was top of my budget, but stated "full service history". When I asked him to send detailed photos of the rear arches and the last couple of pages of the service book, there was suddenly a "mistake" in the listing. It had no service history.
This is painful.
It looked promising, and a call to the dealer seemed to reinforce the condition that the photos were showing. The listing was limited and the car was top of my budget, but stated "full service history". When I asked him to send detailed photos of the rear arches and the last couple of pages of the service book, there was suddenly a "mistake" in the listing. It had no service history.
This is painful.
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