Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
Discussion
Yes, heartbreaking. The way I see it, you now you have four options.
A. Sell on as is - lowest return for lowest effort.
B. Break it down and sell parts - high effort but better return and will take ages and be mentally painful
C. Put a new/replacement engine in it and sell - probably best return/effort ratio
D. Put a new/replacement engine in it and then keep it.
Given that both you and your wife seem to like the actual car and that all the problems seem to stem from a bad engine that was bodged and bodged and bodged again, I would have thought that a known-good unfettled engine from an accident damaged car would give you peace of mind and you'll get to keep a car that you like. I don't believe that every one of these engined grenades itself. You never hear stories of cars where the owner doesn't experience problems. You only hear of it when something goes wrong. Having seen your work I have no doubt that you could replace the engine in about as much time as it would take me to do a brake job!
If none of those will work, how about a bit of a reversal by putting a Boxster engine in it!
A. Sell on as is - lowest return for lowest effort.
B. Break it down and sell parts - high effort but better return and will take ages and be mentally painful
C. Put a new/replacement engine in it and sell - probably best return/effort ratio
D. Put a new/replacement engine in it and then keep it.
Given that both you and your wife seem to like the actual car and that all the problems seem to stem from a bad engine that was bodged and bodged and bodged again, I would have thought that a known-good unfettled engine from an accident damaged car would give you peace of mind and you'll get to keep a car that you like. I don't believe that every one of these engined grenades itself. You never hear stories of cars where the owner doesn't experience problems. You only hear of it when something goes wrong. Having seen your work I have no doubt that you could replace the engine in about as much time as it would take me to do a brake job!
If none of those will work, how about a bit of a reversal by putting a Boxster engine in it!
Although I can see the theory of replacing the engine being a valid one. But, knowing that these engines have multiple weak points how do you know you're getting a decent lump? Unless you know the history of the car you've no clue if ones been bodged previously or has an impending issue. Most breakers will give a short warranty but most will also invalidate that warranty if you start removing covers to try and ascertain its condition internally.
And this isn't a 200 quid mx5 engine you'd take a punt on its 3-4k.
If you were looking at keeping long term and replacing the engine surely the only feasible option is a rebuilt unit or buying a cheap one and fully rebuilding from scratch? Therefore knowing exactly what you have. Otherwise you're constantly going to be worrying about it going pop again.
Whatever you decide is going to be a tough one. But thank you for posting all of your trials and tribulations with this, no matter how gutting it may be.
And this isn't a 200 quid mx5 engine you'd take a punt on its 3-4k.
If you were looking at keeping long term and replacing the engine surely the only feasible option is a rebuilt unit or buying a cheap one and fully rebuilding from scratch? Therefore knowing exactly what you have. Otherwise you're constantly going to be worrying about it going pop again.
Whatever you decide is going to be a tough one. But thank you for posting all of your trials and tribulations with this, no matter how gutting it may be.
Vsix and Vtec said:
ConnectionError said:
Crankshaft
This fault seems significantly more common when used in a Land rover product rather than Jaguar. According to this website their could be secondary damage to the bottom end due to plastic particles from worn guides causing blockages. I have no idea if it is true/common though:
https://www.kmotors.co.uk/common-faults/2-0-ingeni...
https://www.kmotors.co.uk/common-faults/2-0-ingeni...
Mikebentley said:
Vsix and Vtec said:
ConnectionError said:
Crankshaft
This fault seems significantly more common when used in a Land rover product rather than Jaguar. As an owner of a RRS with the 3.0l diesel and a broken crankshaft I was pointing out that they also have issues, namely the crankshaft
I'm really struggling with the 'buy another engine' unless it's to then stick it in and get shot of the whole thing.
I mentioned the 'sunk cost fallacy' before and buying another engine and then keeping the car, in the hope it'll offer the best financial result, is a classic case. Where will this engine come from? Who know's what state it'll be in? What are the odds that it'll be cheap enough to be economical to buy but good enough quality to last another 20k miles without any issues? 30k? 50k? All the evidence thus far here seems to suggest the chances of putting in an engine and then having no major problems are close to zero. As other's have said, if it was £1k for an engine then maybe, but £3-£4k for one makes it a whole different prospect.
Get shot now, or get an engine in, cross your fingers, and then get shot. Keeping going is just throwing good money after bad and I'd hate to see it go that way for such a fantastic guy.
I mentioned the 'sunk cost fallacy' before and buying another engine and then keeping the car, in the hope it'll offer the best financial result, is a classic case. Where will this engine come from? Who know's what state it'll be in? What are the odds that it'll be cheap enough to be economical to buy but good enough quality to last another 20k miles without any issues? 30k? 50k? All the evidence thus far here seems to suggest the chances of putting in an engine and then having no major problems are close to zero. As other's have said, if it was £1k for an engine then maybe, but £3-£4k for one makes it a whole different prospect.
Get shot now, or get an engine in, cross your fingers, and then get shot. Keeping going is just throwing good money after bad and I'd hate to see it go that way for such a fantastic guy.
But what’s an F Pace with no engine worth? We know the OP can fit it himself so the purchase cost would likely be added to the possible value without the costs of paying for the labour on the swap.
He would then have an infinitely easier sell getting rid as the pool of buyers is much larger.
He would then have an infinitely easier sell getting rid as the pool of buyers is much larger.
Mikebentley said:
But what’s an F Pace with no engine worth? We know the OP can fit it himself so the purchase cost would likely be added to the possible value without the costs of paying for the labour on the swap.
He would then have an infinitely easier sell getting rid as the pool of buyers is much larger.
I agree - I'm just saying 'don't keep it' once the engine is in. As soon as it starts up, stick it on eBay and be done with it. He would then have an infinitely easier sell getting rid as the pool of buyers is much larger.
ConnectionError said:
There was suggestion on the post above mine to swop the 2.0L to a 3.0L diesel "as they are more reliable".
As an owner of a RRS with the 3.0l diesel and a broken crankshaft I was pointing out that they also have issues, namely the crankshaft
Is the 3.0l Ingenium, or the previous Lion V6?As an owner of a RRS with the 3.0l diesel and a broken crankshaft I was pointing out that they also have issues, namely the crankshaft
skwdenyer said:
Is the 3.0l Ingenium, or the previous Lion V6?
Ingenium never came in anything other than an inline 4 I think. Lion V6 3.0 seems to be (other than the usual DPF and EGR niggles of a modern diesel) a reasonably good engine when not in a Land Rover. I don't understand quite why they suffer so much outside of a Jaguar engine bay.Vsix and Vtec said:
skwdenyer said:
Is the 3.0l Ingenium, or the previous Lion V6?
Ingenium never came in anything other than an inline 4 I think. Lion V6 3.0 seems to be (other than the usual DPF and EGR niggles of a modern diesel) a reasonably good engine when not in a Land Rover. I don't understand quite why they suffer so much outside of a Jaguar engine bay.I believe OP should chuck in a new engine and sell it otherwise he will have a long time parting it out and no doubt be left with a load of bits. Give it an organ transplant and get rid quickly and move on.
AIUI, it's cost you £13K+ for about 10,000 miles. (so, significantly lower depreciation than a Taycan...)
WBAC are only offering ~£8K for a runner, but will doubtless chip you down further for the bumper scuffs, etc..
If you can get £5K+ for it as a non-runner, I'd take it and move on. A "new" engine is just rolling the dice one more time, but as we know, the JLR dice are loaded.
WBAC are only offering ~£8K for a runner, but will doubtless chip you down further for the bumper scuffs, etc..
If you can get £5K+ for it as a non-runner, I'd take it and move on. A "new" engine is just rolling the dice one more time, but as we know, the JLR dice are loaded.
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