Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
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Escy said:
That's a bad position to be in. There's lots of negativity towards them on this thread and it's not without reason. Anecdotes like this one do make me question if I should get out of it while the going is good, before it turns from an asset into a liability.
I took it for a drive earlier, prompted by this thread. The car drives great, no issues at all but I find myself intently listening to the engine, it's still surprisingly loud, especially inside the cabin. I think it's probably just how they are but it gets on my nerves. I might see if I can find a local dealer selling one and have a listen to it for comparison. All these tales of woe aren't helping my confidence in it.
The best car is a sold car.I took it for a drive earlier, prompted by this thread. The car drives great, no issues at all but I find myself intently listening to the engine, it's still surprisingly loud, especially inside the cabin. I think it's probably just how they are but it gets on my nerves. I might see if I can find a local dealer selling one and have a listen to it for comparison. All these tales of woe aren't helping my confidence in it.
I don't have plums as big as yours which is why I'd get out of it ASAFP and make a nice drink on it.
I'm in awe of the op , his resilience and his abilities. I'm not brave about facing up to difficult ownership prospects, and it's taken me 6 years to stop sweating about my Boxster possibly throwing it's IMS toys out of the pram. That's the legacy of a fundamentally Japanese car background.
Even if I had his abilities, knowing I could repair it, I would still ditch it asap. It seems like an appallingly thrown together model from a manufacturer I've little respect for, built as cheaply as possible. Absolutely fascinating thread, and has simply reinforced everything negative I've ever felt about JLR.
Even if I had his abilities, knowing I could repair it, I would still ditch it asap. It seems like an appallingly thrown together model from a manufacturer I've little respect for, built as cheaply as possible. Absolutely fascinating thread, and has simply reinforced everything negative I've ever felt about JLR.
Fermit said:
D4MJT said:
I’d be getting out if it was mine. It’s been a phenomenal read and eye opening, but I’d just be waiting for it to go wrong, and even if it didn’t, that would put a dampener on the ownership experience for me.
I am inclined to agree. There are plenty of other options which also tick all the boxes required at the same market value as the Jag. They also include the prestige feel your wife likes. For EG Volvo XC60, Audi Q5, Lexus NX, BMW X3, Mercedes GLC. 
We had an Ingenium in an Evoque, it was serviced every 6000 miles or so due to oil dilution. It does bring a service warning up, but if you ring the dealer they say it doesn’t need it until the year/miles.
We had a service plan, so we took it anyway and whether they booked it to warranty or the plan I don’t know, but it had 7 services in 40,000 miles.
I wonder how many on a cheap lease or no service plan just let it go, leaving the engine swimming in diesel from shonky regens?
Maybe these engines are OK if you keep the oil decent.
We had a service plan, so we took it anyway and whether they booked it to warranty or the plan I don’t know, but it had 7 services in 40,000 miles.
I wonder how many on a cheap lease or no service plan just let it go, leaving the engine swimming in diesel from shonky regens?
Maybe these engines are OK if you keep the oil decent.
Escy said:
Not many people would want to put up with the inconvenience of 7 services in 40k miles even if someone else is paying. That's ridiculous. All caused by failed DPF regeneration diluting the oil.
How quickly we forget; oil changes every 6k and major services every 12k used to be standard 
Escy said:
Not many people would want to put up with the inconvenience of 7 services in 40k miles even if someone else is paying. That's ridiculous. All caused by failed DPF regeneration diluting the oil.
Have no idea why diesels don’t give a better indication of when the DPF is in regen. Even just a light on the dash. On my previous CR engine Passat and Golf it was clear. Revs rise, fans go mental, and you could feel the heat generated at a stop. So if it was like that when I got home, they woukd get a quick run up the local DC, 70 in 3rd. My V40 D4, I have no idea. That also has 12 month oil service.
skwdenyer said:
How quickly we forget; oil changes every 6k and major services every 12k used to be standard
I just purchased a new (to me) car with 18K mile/2 year service intervals. When I picked it up it stated 6 Months/12K miles to the next service, so it has only done 6K miles in 18 months.The oil absolutely stank of petrol so the first thing I did when I got home was replace the oil and filter which cost me £33 in parts.
A lot cheaper than risking a stretched timing chain.
My ex wife's N47 engined Toyota had 18K mile service intervals which she left until over 20K miles of short journeys due to Covid. By the time she came to get it serviced, the EML was on which turned out to be a timing error due to the stretched chain.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 27th February 10:16
Personally, I feel part of the issues for these engines is the 20k oil changes.
Chain driven engines won’t like dirty oil and 20k will get it pretty dirty.
My disco 3 with the tdv6 was 12k changes.
I did 10k changes with Castrol Magnatec.
Engine has 204k and still runs sweet and happy.
My freeby 2 with the sd4 is claimed to be 16k changes.
I change it when the car asks for a change. It’s never went to 16k. Think 12 was the highest before it asked.
Engine has 131k and also runs happy.
With the dpf removed, you have removed the biggest issue so I would run it.
Keep oil changes regular and with good quality oil and it should be fine.
There really should be a light to signify it’s doing a regen.
Of all the tech you can get in cars, this seems a big oversight.
Chain driven engines won’t like dirty oil and 20k will get it pretty dirty.
My disco 3 with the tdv6 was 12k changes.
I did 10k changes with Castrol Magnatec.
Engine has 204k and still runs sweet and happy.
My freeby 2 with the sd4 is claimed to be 16k changes.
I change it when the car asks for a change. It’s never went to 16k. Think 12 was the highest before it asked.
Engine has 131k and also runs happy.
With the dpf removed, you have removed the biggest issue so I would run it.
Keep oil changes regular and with good quality oil and it should be fine.
There really should be a light to signify it’s doing a regen.
Of all the tech you can get in cars, this seems a big oversight.
My 2018 Connect is supposed to go18k miles between services. It gets oil and filter every 6k between trips to Ford. I can't bring myself to run anything turbocharged and driven hard for longer than than that given how little extra it costs. Same goes for decent fuel, in my experience the additional extra expense pays you back in the long run.
Heaveho said:
My 2018 Connect is supposed to go18k miles between services. It gets oil and filter every 6k between trips to Ford. I can't bring myself to run anything turbocharged and driven hard for longer than than that given how little extra it costs. Same goes for decent fuel, in my experience the additional extra expense pays you back in the long run.
Our work Transits ( Amazon prime vans ) have oil change intervals of 18-24k. They are used pretty much 7 days a week.
Will do 160+ engine starts a day.
A full tank of adblue lasts 4500 miles on them.
I genuinely will be surprised if they make 100k before the engines are trashed. Which is a shame as they are very good well equipped vans.
PT1984 said:
Escy said:
Not many people would want to put up with the inconvenience of 7 services in 40k miles even if someone else is paying. That's ridiculous. All caused by failed DPF regeneration diluting the oil.
Have no idea why diesels don’t give a better indication of when the DPF is in regen. Even just a light on the dash. On my previous CR engine Passat and Golf it was clear. Revs rise, fans go mental, and you could feel the heat generated at a stop. So if it was like that when I got home, they woukd get a quick run up the local DC, 70 in 3rd. My V40 D4, I have no idea. That also has 12 month oil service.
A.J.M said:
Our work Transits ( Amazon prime vans ) have oil change intervals of 18-24k.
They are used pretty much 7 days a week.
Will do 160+ engine starts a day.
A full tank of adblue lasts 4500 miles on them.
I genuinely will be surprised if they make 100k before the engines are trashed. Which is a shame as they are very good well equipped vans.
From an engine and oil perspective, that's probably a fairly comfortable life. Oil changes every few months, very few cold starts. They are used pretty much 7 days a week.
Will do 160+ engine starts a day.
A full tank of adblue lasts 4500 miles on them.
I genuinely will be surprised if they make 100k before the engines are trashed. Which is a shame as they are very good well equipped vans.
LunarOne said:
Because even if you got an indication, 90% of drivers wouldn't know what it meant and even if they did, are often not in a position to do anything about it. Imagine you've been on the motorway driving into London and the car goes into regen. And then you get off the motorway straight into one of Citizen Khan's 20mph zones. and then you spent the next few months in central London, never getting about 40mph. What are you supposed to do then?
Not everyone lives in a congested city. My work use case is the right case for having a modern diesel. For shorter distances we use the wife’s Mini Cooper S. We know diesels don’t like short journeys. They have just been bought as at the pump they are cheaper to fill through better average MPG. I did the running in oil change, I considered that the milestone where I can say this has been a success. I had a look at the old oil filter, there were a couple of bits of metal in it but not much, looked like stuff missed during the cleanup which is always going to be the case. It definitely doesn't look like it's shredding itself and it's managed about 600 miles.
Possibly a little quieter on the correct oil but it's still quite loud.
Possibly a little quieter on the correct oil but it's still quite loud.
Interesting thoughts about the oil change interval, wife and I bought a new Subaru Forester last year, the recommended oil change interval is 6 months or 6000 miles whichever comes first here in the USA, I used to sell Subaru's back in the UK the service interval for a UK car is 12 months or 12000 miles whichever comes first, for me this is the problem, Oil is cheap, and replacing it is essential to the longevity of the motor.
I think this is why we have so many issues with engines in the UK, also if you look on the US version of Autotrader you'll see some colossal mileages 200/300,000 miles isn't uncommon people over here don't have the same fear of a car that's done 100,000 miles unlike in the UK were the mantra is that it's only fit for scrap at that mileage, my wife had a Honda Civic that she did over 300,000 miles in over just over 8 years, when she traded it in at her local Honda dealer where it'd had every service it didn't burn a drop of oil between oil changes and interestingly was bought by one of the dealer technicians who still runs it as his daily and it now has way over 400k on the odometer!
I think this is why we have so many issues with engines in the UK, also if you look on the US version of Autotrader you'll see some colossal mileages 200/300,000 miles isn't uncommon people over here don't have the same fear of a car that's done 100,000 miles unlike in the UK were the mantra is that it's only fit for scrap at that mileage, my wife had a Honda Civic that she did over 300,000 miles in over just over 8 years, when she traded it in at her local Honda dealer where it'd had every service it didn't burn a drop of oil between oil changes and interestingly was bought by one of the dealer technicians who still runs it as his daily and it now has way over 400k on the odometer!
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