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tdm34 said:
Interesting thoughts about the oil change interval, wife and I bought a new Subaru Forester last year, the recommended oil change interval is 6 months or 6000 miles whichever comes first here in the USA, I used to sell Subaru's back in the UK the service interval for a UK car is 12 months or 12000 miles whichever comes first, for me this is the problem, Oil is cheap, and replacing it is essential to the longevity of the motor.
I think this is why we have so many issues with engines in the UK, also if you look on the US version of Autotrader you'll see some colossal mileages 200/300,000 miles isn't uncommon people over here don't have the same fear of a car that's done 100,000 miles unlike in the UK were the mantra is that it's only fit for scrap at that mileage, my wife had a Honda Civic that she did over 300,000 miles in over just over 8 years, when she traded it in at her local Honda dealer where it'd had every service it didn't burn a drop of oil between oil changes and interestingly was bought by one of the dealer technicians who still runs it as his daily and it now has way over 400k on the odometer!
Quite agree about regular oil changes - the cheapest way to prolong engine life. My old SAAB 9-5 got a tummy of new Mobil 1 every 6k miles and had done almost 290k miles when I sold it - and still on the original turbo etc.I think this is why we have so many issues with engines in the UK, also if you look on the US version of Autotrader you'll see some colossal mileages 200/300,000 miles isn't uncommon people over here don't have the same fear of a car that's done 100,000 miles unlike in the UK were the mantra is that it's only fit for scrap at that mileage, my wife had a Honda Civic that she did over 300,000 miles in over just over 8 years, when she traded it in at her local Honda dealer where it'd had every service it didn't burn a drop of oil between oil changes and interestingly was bought by one of the dealer technicians who still runs it as his daily and it now has way over 400k on the odometer!
tonyvid said:
Quite agree about regular oil changes - the cheapest way to prolong engine life. My old SAAB 9-5 got a tummy of new Mobil 1 every 6k miles and had done almost 290k miles when I sold it - and still on the original turbo etc.
People will laugh and say "modern oils " etc, but I'm not sold on big intervals and miles between fresh oil and filter. Maybe I could just follow the manufacturers intervals on everything I own and it might be fine. Doing it my way has maybe cost me a bit more, but if it does go bang at least I'll not wonder if I could have done more to prevent it.We run all our company cars on 2 years / 20k. I spoke to out fleet and suggested that it should be 1 year / 20k (whichever comes first) but got told a firm no.
2 years between oil changes just feels too much, but then again, we swap out after 3 years and pass the liability on. Cars are sold as 'FSH' but in reality, may have had 1 service in 3 years...
2 years between oil changes just feels too much, but then again, we swap out after 3 years and pass the liability on. Cars are sold as 'FSH' but in reality, may have had 1 service in 3 years...
This isn't a new thing for sure. I bought 2 2002/3 MK4 Golf GTI TDI 150bhp (both black 
) One had been a lease car on Longlife servicing - I think that was 20k km at the time - and the second was a private car which was on the standard time/distance service regime. The second car had services more often and didn't wear the f
k out of the camshaft and tappets (the ARL engine's biggest flaw), the first car got a camshaft at 80k miles - the second car still on its original cam. Can't really argue against that.
Oil is cheap - engines aren't.
Slightly O/T but in the HGV/PSV sector I work in, 50k mile oil changes are the norm but it's special expensive oil and they've got loads of it (36 litres), and iron blocks and iron heads to take the heat better - weight isnt as much of a penalty here
) One had been a lease car on Longlife servicing - I think that was 20k km at the time - and the second was a private car which was on the standard time/distance service regime. The second car had services more often and didn't wear the fk out of the camshaft and tappets (the ARL engine's biggest flaw), the first car got a camshaft at 80k miles - the second car still on its original cam. Can't really argue against that. Oil is cheap - engines aren't.
Slightly O/T but in the HGV/PSV sector I work in, 50k mile oil changes are the norm but it's special expensive oil and they've got loads of it (36 litres), and iron blocks and iron heads to take the heat better - weight isnt as much of a penalty here
I-am-the-reverend said:
I think that's the much older Peugeot/Ford lump.PT1984 said:
Have no idea why diesels don’t give a better indication of when the DPF is in regen. Even just a light on the dash.
Agreed. This was my biggest gripe with the Disco Sport we ran for 3 years. The Tiguan it replaced gave me an amber DPF warning twice in the two years we had it. I remember once it flashed up as I set off for Yeovil from Taunton. So it cleared itself before the end of that journey. I think the second time I dropped the family home and went for a drive until it was gone.
The Disco Sport, on the other hand, would just suddenly flash up a red DPF warning and then fall over into limp-home mode.
Agree with that - I thought Toyota had an idiot light?
at least my Golf GTD has several indications that it's doing one. Idle speed is 1000 rpm instead of ~800, you can hear the fan running at full speed if you're stationary, stop/start is unavailable (it's obvious if these happen simply because the engine is cold!) and if you're really nerdy you see economy drop and oil temp go up if you're driving.
did you rain the oil onto the road?!?
at least my Golf GTD has several indications that it's doing one. Idle speed is 1000 rpm instead of ~800, you can hear the fan running at full speed if you're stationary, stop/start is unavailable (it's obvious if these happen simply because the engine is cold!) and if you're really nerdy you see economy drop and oil temp go up if you're driving.
did you rain the oil onto the road?!?
Edited by tvrfan007 on Tuesday 28th February 14:58
tvrfan007 said:
Agree with that - I thought Toyota had an idiot light?
at least my Golf GTD has several indications that it's doing one. Idle speed is 1000 rpm instead of ~800, you can hear the fan running at full speed if you're stationary, stop/start is unavailable (it's obvious if these happen simply because the engine is cold!) and if you're really nerdy you see economy drop and oil temp go up if you're driving.
I can guarantee you that every single person in my family would not realise that was happening.at least my Golf GTD has several indications that it's doing one. Idle speed is 1000 rpm instead of ~800, you can hear the fan running at full speed if you're stationary, stop/start is unavailable (it's obvious if these happen simply because the engine is cold!) and if you're really nerdy you see economy drop and oil temp go up if you're driving.
tvrfan007 said:
did you rain the oil onto the road?!?
IMG_20230226_164053431_HDRI found with MrsC's Disco Sport that we ran for 3.5 yrs & 82k no obvious issues with the DPF bit it did about 400miles a week and had plenty of time to go through a regen or 2 as it was always being driven with some gusto by her (she could never work out how I always managed to get 42mpg & she struggled to get 37mpg!). The car did chuck the odd EML up but it'd sort itself out the next day with no loss of power etc.
I have to admit none of us would expect a big manufacturer to have such common issues with a modern/supposedly efficient engine - we are though going to join one of the large litigation groups pursuing the emissions cheat situation as it was obvious the Adblue was there to get it to sneak through the tests.
I have to admit none of us would expect a big manufacturer to have such common issues with a modern/supposedly efficient engine - we are though going to join one of the large litigation groups pursuing the emissions cheat situation as it was obvious the Adblue was there to get it to sneak through the tests.
This was part one
Escy said:
It's taken me a while but I've put the video together. It's split up into two parts as it'd end up really long. This is part one. Takes me up to the point where everything is a mess and I thought a used engine or donor car was the way forward.
This is part two.MrC986 said:
I found with MrsC's Disco Sport that we ran for 3.5 yrs & 82k no obvious issues with the DPF bit it did about 400miles a week and had plenty of time to go through a regen or 2 as it was always being driven with some gusto by her (she could never work out how I always managed to get 42mpg & she struggled to get 37mpg!). The car did chuck the odd EML up but it'd sort itself out the next day with no loss of power etc.
I have to admit none of us would expect a big manufacturer to have such common issues with a modern/supposedly efficient engine - we are though going to join one of the large litigation groups pursuing the emissions cheat situation as it was obvious the Adblue was there to get it to sneak through the tests.
Adblue to sneak though the tests?! Nope. The VW cars didn’t have that with their cheat, it was the very reason for them cheating - to save money. I do hope you are not joining one for the disco sport?I have to admit none of us would expect a big manufacturer to have such common issues with a modern/supposedly efficient engine - we are though going to join one of the large litigation groups pursuing the emissions cheat situation as it was obvious the Adblue was there to get it to sneak through the tests.
I think that's relatively normal for a 4-cylinder common-rail diesel - the 2.1 Mercedes is no better and there was absolutely no refinement improvement when they switched to the 2.0 one in our 2020 model! Inside the cabin, with decent deadening, it's fine on the motorway but there's absolutely no getting away from the fact that it's an all-ally engine with super high compression. The older iron block stuff used to seem to do it better - my 250k 2.0 HDi is way more refined than a 10k Mercedes, albeit down 60bhp. Also, the DPF gone increases noise, as do cats - I got rid of the cat on my parents' car with an M47 BMW engine and you notice it a bit more.
The service interval thing is nuts on modern cars - my old M140i went 19k before the car decided that it needed a service.
I've halved the service interval on our two cars to 9k and do it myself - the kits from Opie are cheap enough and its easy to do.
OP - it does sound a bit noisy, but most four pot diesels sound pretty rough.
I've halved the service interval on our two cars to 9k and do it myself - the kits from Opie are cheap enough and its easy to do.
OP - it does sound a bit noisy, but most four pot diesels sound pretty rough.
Escy said:
MDMA . said:
That sounds really noisy. Do they all sound like that?
I'm thinking probably not. Someone commented on the YouTube video saying it gutting the DPF would make it louder, I hadn't thought about it at the time but it does make sense. Gassing Station | Readers' Cars | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff