Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner

[Crazy4557]

Take it down to your local LR main dealer, park outside their workshop and ask an experienced techie to have a listen, that'll be conclusive for you as they've probably heard 100's of those rattlers in their time.

[Skyrocket21]

I was going to say way back, but with people quick to jump down your throat etc. When you gutted the dpf I reckon you created a resonator and maybe you should have put a pipe in the box joining it up. Maybe wrapping it would help, they usually pack out a back box not heard of dpf with fibreglass etc. It does sound tinny, like it's resonating inside that empty dpf box.

[Escy]

I could turn the DPF casing into a silencer if I weld a perforated tube in the middle and fill the cavity with the fibreglass wadding you can buy.

[B'stard Child]

Escy said:

I could turn the DPF casing into a silencer if I weld a perforated tube in the middle and fill the cavity with the fibreglass wadding you can buy.

Might be a bit bloody hot that close to the manifold

[youngsyr]

Escy said:

It'll settle my nervousness over it if I can attribute the racket it makes due to the dpf being removed.

If its any help, our standard 2014 Audi 2.0 tdi sounds like a bag of spanners. I replaced a parking sensor when I bought it and I thought I'd dropped a screw driver into the engine bay and that was the cause, but undertray off and no sign of it, so no, it just sounds rough as hell.

[Arnold Cunningham]

@ecsy - just been reading this thread. Some of the damage you saw - e.g. the old head with the springs - in your view, did it come from the factory like that, or was it just badly reassembled last time?

[MDMA .]

Spotted one this morning (nothing out of the ordinary).



However, check the bottom of the plate. Wonder if it’s a nod to repair costs?

[Heaveho]

In response to the noise of a four pot diesel and noise, they aren't all like that, my 2018 Ford Connect is like a limo compared to that.

[Premsing]

this is why I turned into bald maan!
Good luck to you

[5s Alive]

Heaveho said:

In response to the noise of a four pot diesel and noise, they aren't all like that, my 2018 Ford Connect is like a limo compared to that.

Shortly after the F Pace was released I suggested that a friend considered it for his next company car, based largely on magazine reviews and Jaguars own description of their 'advanced' Ingenium engines.

After what was supposed to be an extended test drive (he cut it short) his comment was ''rough and harsh'' and ''you've never driven one have you''?

I did wonder if the largely aluminium structure contributes to the transmission of NVH.

[UKenGB]

Escy said:

I was going to buy a used engine but it was from a I-Pace which has it mounted horizontally rather than longitudinal like the F-Pace. The PH faithful alerted me the block is physically different which saved me making an expensive misstep.

I did buy a cylinder head for it, £180.

Great thread and all credit to Escy, but I have to point out the unlikelihood of using an I-Pace engine as that of course is an electric motor. It was the E-Pace engine that was considered.

[Escy]

I think you probably didn't need to point it out

[UKenGB]

smn159 said:

normalbloke said:

smn159 said:

I'd use one of those vacuum things to suck the oil out of the dipstick hole

I wouldn’t, it’s a shoddy way to do an oil change.

Any evidence for this, or just that you don't like them?

Nothing shoddy about sucking out the engine oil. No different from letting it drain out a hole, apart from avoiding the need to crawl around under the car getting covered in oil.

In fact I went on the original launch of the F-Pace at Goodwood and during the presentation they (i.e. Jaguar presenters) made a specific point about it being designed for 'top down servicing'. Having not previously heard this term, I queried them about it and they confirmed the car was designed to be serviced completely from above and dealers are expected to suck the oil out from above. Which explains why there's no opening in the undertray to get at the sump plug.

At the time I thought Jaguar were on their way to great things, but they continue to be plagued with unreliability which ruins their reputation and hence sales.

Having said that, the I-Pace is the only EV I really like. I am a fan of EVs and admire what Tesla have done, but their cars are completely uninteresting to me. Jelly mould body shapes and interiors horribly plain and bland. The I-Pace may have less range, but it is a great looking car, inside and out and drives superbly. Apart from range, (not necessarily a problem in any case), I fail to understand how anyone could prefer a Tesla.

[Escy]

Arnold Cunningham said:

@ecsy - just been reading this thread. Some of the damage you saw - e.g. the old head with the springs - in your view, did it come from the factory like that, or was it just badly reassembled last time?

I think the valve spring that left a mark on the cylinder head casting was the one that had the scored cam lobe so that might explain that but some of the others were were close to touching the casting also or looked like they had slightly. I'd be tempted to say it's more on JLR than the previous owner. It was more on the inlet side than the exhaust. The wear on the tips of the valve stems was more on the exhaust valves.

The mark on the cam was odd, it was off centre on the lobe but in the middle of the roller on the rocker.

[Mikebentley]

Ecsy I’m a JLR fan, recent cars Range Rover Sport and now 6cyl Defender. Your efforts with this car have been fantastic. It’s a real shame as the F Pace is a stunning car but I just see them everywhere now and whence at what might befall their owners.

[Arnold Cunningham]

Escy said:

I think the valve spring that left a mark on the cylinder head casting was the one that had the scored cam lobe so that might explain that but some of the others were were close to touching the casting also or looked like they had slightly. I'd be tempted to say it's more on JLR than the previous owner. It was more on the inlet side than the exhaust. The wear on the tips of the valve stems was more on the exhaust valves.

The mark on the cam was odd, it was off centre on the lobe but in the middle of the roller on the rocker.

That's pretty damning on their quality control then isn't it.

I've seen "unexplainable" marks on cam lobes before. Roller lifters like this, with a mark on the cam lobe, but no evidence of anything anywhere else.
The good news is that on roller lifters, you can usually polish it out and all is good, unlike the old flat tappet cams that you either had to have perfect, or replace them.

[cb31]

Escy said:

The car drives great, no issues at all but I find myself intently listening to the engine, it's still surprisingly loud, especially inside the cabin. I think it's probably just how they are but it gets on my nerves. I might see if I can find a local dealer selling one and have a listen to it for comparison.

I got collected from the station by the dealer in a brand new Velar while my Disco 4 was being serviced. I was gob-smacked at how rough and crap it sounded, £50k 6 years ago. I imagine yours is normal as it will be a similar age.

[President Merkin]

Escy, could you maybe shout out for someone nearby with another one to climb in & compare with? Must be a fair few around.

[andburg]

President Merkin said:

Escy, could you maybe shout out for someone nearby with another one to climb in & compare with? Must be a fair few around.

but with the DPF's deleted in the exact same way so its a direct comparison?

[President Merkin]

andburg said:

but with the DPF's deleted in the exact same way so its a direct comparison?

Fair point but it would still give some pointers either way I'd think.