Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner

[Escy]

That's good but don't forget the original owner of mine could have said the same thing at 100k miles. Then 15k more and it was game over.

[Monkeylegend]

For all cars every mile is a mile nearer disaster

[Jhonno]

P. ONeill said:

Posted on the other thread so may as well add it here.

Despite all the negativity around the 2.0 Ingenium engine, the wife’s just went over the one hundred thousand mile mark today, with touch wood no issues. It’s serviced regularly and gets regular oil top ups.

I mean, the fact you are having to "celebrate" the 100k says it all..

[mat205125]

Jhonno said:

P. ONeill said:

Posted on the other thread so may as well add it here.

Despite all the negativity around the 2.0 Ingenium engine, the wife’s just went over the one hundred thousand mile mark today, with touch wood no issues. It’s serviced regularly and gets regular oil top ups.

I mean, the fact you are having to "celebrate" the 100k says it all..

^ This!

A modern engine should barely need the bonnet opening on its way towards just 100k miles

[MarkwG]

mat205125 said:

Jhonno said:

P. ONeill said:

Posted on the other thread so may as well add it here.

Despite all the negativity around the 2.0 Ingenium engine, the wife’s just went over the one hundred thousand mile mark today, with touch wood no issues. It’s serviced regularly and gets regular oil top ups.

I mean, the fact you are having to "celebrate" the 100k says it all..

^ This!

A modern engine should barely need the bonnet opening on its way towards just 100k miles

Yet increased service intervals to please the fleets markets & general lack of servicing is often held up on here as the reason they don't last..?

[I-am-the-reverend]

mat205125 said:

^ This!

A modern engine should barely need the bonnet opening on its way towards just 100k miles

There was a time - 20 or 30 years ago - when I would only buy a car when it had done 100,000 miles. Ex fleet Audis, Mercs, BMW's and to be fair, Jaguar XJ40's. There was no 'what if....?' fear.

By 100k they were nicely run in. The running gear was perfect, drivers seat nicely 'formed' and they were peanuts to buy. I stole* a 1993 Alfa 155TS with 98k, three years old, from BCA. Nobody wanted it. I paid a pittance and gave it to my Mum to use.

A 1992 Audi 80 2.0E was the best. It was absolutely perfect, used not a drop of oil and drove like new. It was just a given that it would be fine.

[P. ONeill]

Jhonno said:

P. ONeill said:

Posted on the other thread so may as well add it here.

Despite all the negativity around the 2.0 Ingenium engine, the wife’s just went over the one hundred thousand mile mark today, with touch wood no issues. It’s serviced regularly and gets regular oil top ups.

I mean, the fact you are having to "celebrate" the 100k says it all..

More relief than a celebration really.

[Pent]

any news?

no news is good news right

[Escy]

It's still running, driving perfectly but sounding clattery. It's not gotten any worse but I want to have it right. It's loud to the point I'll switch the engine off when making an order at a drive through.

I've sold the Cayenne, so I'm down to just the Boxster and Jaguar. Both a have a few issues so that's a risky game, I've borrowed a spare car off my old man. The plan is to take it the Jaguar off the road and try and work out what's wrong. It's easier said than done.

The DPF is still leaking at the turbo joint so need to look into that again.

I've picked up the adjustable exhaust cam gear, they are £180 from JLR, I managed to get a genuine one brand new in the box for £65 on ebay. It's a total punt if it's going to be the reason why it's loud, not seen a single person mention it on the Internet. I can change it without removing the engine but I think it will be a pain in the arse. I might be better just pulling the engine out and start stripping it down, see if I can discover something.

I'll start replacing things maybe I should have the first time around, like all new lifters (supposedly got 25k miles on the head) and replace the chains and tensioners. The noise seems top end and the oil report shows no bearing material in the oil so I won't be taking the head or sump off. There's a chance I waste a weekend working on it, spend a load of money and it's exactly the same but I figure I need to do something.

For anyone suggesting sell it, nobody will buy it sounding as loud as it does.

[DanG355]

If you have to turn the engine off to be heard at the drive through then something is definitely not right. They are not tuneful but shouldn’t be that loud.

The fact it is running ok hopefully means it’s nothing too serious but sure you’ll feel better when it’s not so loud!

[Arnold Cunningham]

Have you bunged a stethoscope on it to pin point it a bit more? Or the eng of a big screwdriver with your ear on the other end if in a fix.
I find this works quite well sometimes to help pinpoint stuff.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142037223479

Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Wednesday 26th April 19:26

[Escy]

That's something I've been meaning to buy in the past, so just ordered it now. Thanks for the link.

[QBee]

When I am hunting exhaust manifold leaks I use a simple rubber gas tube, the sort of tube you use for a camping gas stove. One end fits in your ear, the other end you move around the engine. It helps pinpoint exhaust leaks.

I agree re the big screwdriver too - helped work out where the sudden awful noise was coming from on my Rover V8 engine - power steering pump in my case.

[Arnold Cunningham]

Yes, for air or exhaust leaks that is handy isn’t it.

[Cambs_Stuart]

I do get nervous every time I see an update from Escy on this thread.
What is the noise like? Whine, a clatter, a reciprocating noise?

[mat205125]

I-am-the-reverend said:

A 1992 Audi 80 2.0E was the best. It was absolutely perfect, used not a drop of oil and drove like new. It was just a given that it would be fine.

My dad had an '89 Audi 80 1.8S.

Probably the best car he ever owned. It was absolutely indestructible, and such a quality piece of kit. Nothing modern is built so solidly, and engineering led in design.

[Jonmx]

mat205125 said:

I-am-the-reverend said:

A 1992 Audi 80 2.0E was the best. It was absolutely perfect, used not a drop of oil and drove like new. It was just a given that it would be fine.

My dad had an '89 Audi 80 1.8S.

Probably the best car he ever owned. It was absolutely indestructible, and such a quality piece of kit. Nothing modern is built so solidly, and engineering led in design.

At the risk of adding to thread derail - we had an '89 Audi 100 Estate as a kid. Brilliant car. I saw it a few years after we got rid, dumped on the side of the road. I still feel bad for not rescuing it, though I was only 17/18 when I saw it again.

[youngsyr]

Jonmx said:

mat205125 said:

I-am-the-reverend said:

A 1992 Audi 80 2.0E was the best. It was absolutely perfect, used not a drop of oil and drove like new. It was just a given that it would be fine.

My dad had an '89 Audi 80 1.8S.

Probably the best car he ever owned. It was absolutely indestructible, and such a quality piece of kit. Nothing modern is built so solidly, and engineering led in design.

At the risk of adding to thread derail - we had an '89 Audi 100 Estate as a kid. Brilliant car. I saw it a few years after we got rid, dumped on the side of the road. I still feel bad for not rescuing it, though I was only 17/18 when I saw it again.

I suspect there's a lot of rose tinted glasses going on here.

There's a reason there are very few cars from the 80s around now and even fewer that haven't had a significant amount of time and effort put into restoring them.

Meanwhile, there are plenty of 10 year old plus cars on the road and some even come with 7 year warranties.

[Arnold Cunningham]

10 years! My newest car is 13 years, my oldest is 34. Would happily hop in any and drive them wherever right now.

[Heaveho]

I think it's reasonable to assume that if it's Japanese, the real issue is rust, not mechanical. I have a 35 year old, a 20 year old and 19 year old stable of Jap cars, they aren't " infallible " mechanically, but are extraordinarily resilient. The 19 year old is a daily driver 10k miles a year workhorse. It's never been off the road.