Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
Discussion
Arnold Cunningham said:
Huff said:
Sheepshanks said:
If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.
I'm not going to dispute that directly - but am also curious how that result presents! Got any list of links I should read ..? ( & I'd be happy to take your 'top three' impressions to email, & rather do that than derail this most- excellent thread..)
ATB.
ItsBouquet said:
Arnold Cunningham said:
Huff said:
Sheepshanks said:
If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.
I'm not going to dispute that directly - but am also curious how that result presents! Got any list of links I should read ..? ( & I'd be happy to take your 'top three' impressions to email, & rather do that than derail this most- excellent thread..)
ATB.
Chapeau Ecsy this is an amazing thread. I’ve also only found it in the last couple of days and binged through. Topical for me as my 2.0 VAG diesel seems to be sounding rougher and dropping off in MPG. Sadly I don’t possess your mechanical skill. I half hope things are now running smoothly, and half hope you’re going to do a post and video of you rebuilding the gearbox 
M4cruiser said:
Yes, a "service" by any used car dealer/seller is about as basic as it can get, just cheap oil & filter, to tick a box.
That's a gross generalisation. There are a number of dealers on this very forum who do things properly, me included.There are good and bad businesses in every trade. Please don't tar all dealers with the same brush.
ItsBouquet said:
Arnold Cunningham said:
Huff said:
Sheepshanks said:
If you look at oil analysis threads on US forums, where they take this sort of thing VERY seriously, you apparently can change it too often - wear is increased for the first few thousand miles, then levels off, then starts to increase again.
I'm not going to dispute that directly - but am also curious how that result presents! Got any list of links I should read ..? ( & I'd be happy to take your 'top three' impressions to email, & rather do that than derail this most- excellent thread..)
ATB.
Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.
So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.
E90_M3Ross said:
I saw a YouTube video recently on this very topic. They did oil analyses at a few £k, 5k, 10k, 15k and 20k, and they also came to the conclusion that yes, you can change too early. They also did 2 changes of 7.5k, one being 12 months apart, the other being around 18 months.
Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.
So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.
Thank you for this, I'm in a strange position now, where I will barely do 4k max a year in my car, this information suggests that rolling to a 2 year 8k oil+filter change won't do me any harm, and if anything <4k changes looks like overkill, possibly in a bad way! Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.
So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.
DuncanM said:
E90_M3Ross said:
I saw a YouTube video recently on this very topic. They did oil analyses at a few £k, 5k, 10k, 15k and 20k, and they also came to the conclusion that yes, you can change too early. They also did 2 changes of 7.5k, one being 12 months apart, the other being around 18 months.
Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.
So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.
Thank you for this, I'm in a strange position now, where I will barely do 4k max a year in my car, this information suggests that rolling to a 2 year 8k oil+filter change won't do me any harm, and if anything <4k changes looks like overkill, possibly in a bad way! Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.
So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.
Message for Escy, can't recall if I ever posted in this thread before?
Just want to thank you for this and your Porsche thread. You don't have to document your troubles and successes, but you do and I'm very grateful.
I've had a tough year and to be able to engross myself in your thread has been a real distraction at times. It's been a roller coaster and I've been willing you on the whole time. I hope the jaaaaaag continues to run without incident and your endeavours are rewarded with long term reliability a'la cost saving as Originally planned.
Thank you.
Just want to thank you for this and your Porsche thread. You don't have to document your troubles and successes, but you do and I'm very grateful.
I've had a tough year and to be able to engross myself in your thread has been a real distraction at times. It's been a roller coaster and I've been willing you on the whole time. I hope the jaaaaaag continues to run without incident and your endeavours are rewarded with long term reliability a'la cost saving as Originally planned.
Thank you.
Message for Escy, can't recall if I ever posted in this thread before?
Just want to thank you for this and your Porsche thread. You don't have to document your troubles and successes, but you do and I'm very grateful.
I've had a tough year and to be able to engross myself in your thread has been a real distraction at times. It's been a roller coaster and I've been willing you on the whole time. I hope the jaaaaaag continues to run without incident and your endeavours are rewarded with long term reliability a'la cost saving as Originally planned.
Thank you.
Just want to thank you for this and your Porsche thread. You don't have to document your troubles and successes, but you do and I'm very grateful.
I've had a tough year and to be able to engross myself in your thread has been a real distraction at times. It's been a roller coaster and I've been willing you on the whole time. I hope the jaaaaaag continues to run without incident and your endeavours are rewarded with long term reliability a'la cost saving as Originally planned.
Thank you.
Sauce said:
Chapeau Ecsy this is an amazing thread. I’ve also only found it in the last couple of days and binged through. Topical for me as my 2.0 VAG diesel seems to be sounding rougher and dropping off in MPG. Sadly I don’t possess your mechanical skill. I half hope things are now running smoothly, and half hope you’re going to do a post and video of you rebuilding the gearbox
Thank you. It's running alright for the time being. Have you checked the oil level in yours?Joey Deacon said:
Is it wrong that every time I see this thread at the top of the list I assume the engine has been out again?
I think we all know it's going to end in tears at some point! Richbo said:
Message for Escy, can't recall if I ever posted in this thread before?
Just want to thank you for this and your Porsche thread. You don't have to document your troubles and successes, but you do and I'm very grateful.
I've had a tough year and to be able to engross myself in your thread has been a real distraction at times. It's been a roller coaster and I've been willing you on the whole time. I hope the jaaaaaag continues to run without incident and your endeavours are rewarded with long term reliability a'la cost saving as Originally planned.
Thank you.
That's a nice message, thank you. Just want to thank you for this and your Porsche thread. You don't have to document your troubles and successes, but you do and I'm very grateful.
I've had a tough year and to be able to engross myself in your thread has been a real distraction at times. It's been a roller coaster and I've been willing you on the whole time. I hope the jaaaaaag continues to run without incident and your endeavours are rewarded with long term reliability a'la cost saving as Originally planned.
Thank you.
I didn't post much on PH before I started the original Porsche thread. If I'm being honest I found it a bit intimidating on here. I had the impression there were lots of knowledgeable people looking for any opportunity to belittle others. I'm no expert in anything and my mentality has been have a go and see how I get on so there is plenty of scope to open myself up for a ribbing.
Since I have started posting it's been a good experience. This thread especially so. I ended up taking on a bit more than I expected initially after seeing the state of the engine. There was a lot of advice on here which helped me navigate through it all. If I wasn't posting about it all, I think I might have just spend 4k on a used engine, got it running, sold it on and licked my wounds. I feel like I've been carried on a wave of goodwill!
I think the original plan of cost saving is out of the window. As it stands it owes me £13230. At the time they were starting at around 15k but the market on everything has dropped. You can get an F-Pace with similar mileage for 12k now. I can't chalk it up as a worth while endeavour financially.
For anyone that's interested here's the full breakdown on it.
Car - 8000
Recovery - 80
ECU remap - 125
Special tools - 190
Balance shaft tool - 225
Oil pick up, O ring, CV boots - 115
Oil cooler gasket, flywheel bolts - 30
Oil and filters - 90
Re-hone - 60
Diff oil - 20
4x rods - 200
Crankshaft with bearings - 600
Cylinder head - 180
Pistons - 240
Head Gasket set - 145
Head bolts - 45
Hub - 120 (60 refunded)
Oil cooler - 20
Engine bolts - 85
Bushing - 20
Balance shaft - 50
Balance shaft gears - 50
Crank polish and block cleaning - 50
Running in oil and anti freeze - 60
MOT - 45
Injector insulation - 20
2 rear tyres - 235
Spare injector - 55
Rear pads - 45
Cam actuator - 70
Cams - 245
Timing chain kit - 240
Crankshaft seal - 15
Jaguar bits - 70
Gaskets - 55
Gearbox oil - 15
Crank seal tool (front) - 45
Correct diff seal - 40
A/C compressor - 40
Battery - 170
Gear selector - 140
Oil change - 70
A/C compressor - 45
Timing chain kit - 160
2x tyres - 235
Alignment - 65
Crank seal - 30
Gearbox service kit - 270
Sprocket - 55
HVAC ecu - 25
£13230
Escy said:
I can't chalk it up as a worth while endeavour financially.
Don’t think that a poor outcome is always due to a wrong decision. Or put differently, you can make the right decision and be worse off (like you are suggesting here).You managed to get an F pace under the going rate at the time, how the market moved is outside of your control and couldn’t be accurately predicted.
On top of that some factors outside of your control/ risks you took had gone your way then you’d be better off.
All this to say, don’t put yourself down because coming out behind does not in of itself mean that you did the wrong thing.
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