Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner

[Escy]

There's also £460 of special tools in that list which I can use on another engine in the future so I can probably man maths those off the list also.

I'm not upset about where I've ended up, I was just pointing out it's not been a success finically. I really like the car, I wanted the keep it at the start, I still want to keep it now. It's perfect for what we need. I'll be more than happy to keep it for years to come. The only caveat is it needs to stay reliable now.

I've picked up some good knowledge and experience along the way, I figure something else with a 204DTD will come my way where I can put those tools to use.

[Jhonno]

E90_M3Ross said:

I saw a YouTube video recently on this very topic. They did oil analyses at a few £k, 5k, 10k, 15k and 20k, and they also came to the conclusion that yes, you can change too early. They also did 2 changes of 7.5k, one being 12 months apart, the other being around 18 months.

Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.

So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.

Link?

[sixor8]

Speed 3 said:

sixor8 said:

Using the old 'man maths,' the tyres, alignment, oil change, MoT and a few other things would have been a cost on any used car. So you're about quits then.

...ignoring labour

Of course, do you bill yourself? The quip about labour charges on the early Wheeler dealers miss the point that you should be able to do those jobs yourself. Then lost their way using thousands of pounds worth of equipment that the average home mechanic doesn't have, like brake disc skimmer used on the car! Always surprised me that they didn't have their own bead blasting cabinet.

The OP has had to buy bespoke tools for the repairs as mentioned above, but if not sold or re-used are an expense. I bought a 3 foot breaker bar to enable getting the crankshaft timing cover nut off a Triumph Toledo over 2 years ago. Never used it again, yet.....

[P. ONeill]

Our F-Pace died a few months ago and after taking a while to consider the options I decided it was going to be too costly to repair what would be an almost seven year old car with just over 100k on the clock. Unfortunately I don’t have Escy’s spannering skills, so I decided to stick it on donedeal for what I thought was a fair price. Listed it on a Saturday evening and it was gone out the gate at lunchtime the next day. I could have sold ten of them. BUT never again, that’s me finished with diesel engines.

[QBee]

Perhaps Escy bought it for the spares???

[Blainesmithuk]

You could easily have bought a running one with no issues, but the engine would have gone at some point, then you would have spent even more than you already have,

[Garett]

Escy said:

I'm not upset about where I've ended up, I was just pointing out it's not been a success financially.

Cars rarely are, I'm also guilty of buying a car cheaper than equivalents and then thinking the same thing afterwards.

What you have got is a car you now know the history of very well, which I think I'd rather have.

[catfood12]

OP, I was sure you mentioned a diagnostic tablet that was like an Autel but cheaper on this thread, but having gone back and forth through the thread, I can see screenshots, but no mention of what it is. Can you remind me please?

Also just noticed the Vevor air jack on P62. I have a couple of these, they're so handy. For the rest of you;

https://uk.vevor.com/floor-jacks-c_11489/5500lbs-d...

[macron]

When your first two cost are

Car - 8000
Recovery - 80

You know you've got a winner!

[Escy]

catfood12 said:

OP, I was sure you mentioned a diagnostic tablet that was like an Autel but cheaper on this thread, but having gone back and forth through the thread, I can see screenshots, but no mention of what it is. Can you remind me please?

Also just noticed the Vevor air jack on P62. I have a couple of these, they're so handy. For the rest of you;

https://uk.vevor.com/floor-jacks-c_11489/5500lbs-d...

That air jack is so useful. I need to buy another so I can lift both sides up. Much safer than a trolley jack when you need to go up high as they stay stable and dont roll.

I've got an Otofix D1 Pro. It's made by Autel. Have bought the Autel bore scope cam and battery tester for it and they both worked. I think I paid about £580 for it. I'm not sure what the equivalent Autel model is and if it works out any cheaper.

I'm really happy with it, it's done everything I've wanted it to do. Have calibrated air suspension on an Audi A6, calibrated the sunroof on the F-Pace that started sticking, it seems to do as much as the official Porsche PIWIS like all the coding stuff. It's probably overkill for my usage but I've had systems in the past that promise things and don't deliver. I'd recommend it.

[Patrick Bateman]

E90_M3Ross said:

DuncanM said:

E90_M3Ross said:

I saw a YouTube video recently on this very topic. They did oil analyses at a few £k, 5k, 10k, 15k and 20k, and they also came to the conclusion that yes, you can change too early. They also did 2 changes of 7.5k, one being 12 months apart, the other being around 18 months.

Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.

So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.

Thank you for this, I'm in a strange position now, where I will barely do 4k max a year in my car, this information suggests that rolling to a 2 year 8k oil+filter change won't do me any harm, and if anything <4k changes looks like overkill, possibly in a bad way!

Yep. I'd go for every 18 months or so.

What engines did they test this on?

Suspect plenty of diesels would benefit from an annual change.

[anonymous-user]

I change the oil annually in my shed and I only do 6k miles a year.

I cannot imagine owning a £50k+ car and leaving the oil in for 2 years or 20k miles. Oil is Much cheaper than a new engine.

[CousinDupree]

Patrick Bateman said:

E90_M3Ross said:

DuncanM said:

E90_M3Ross said:

I saw a YouTube video recently on this very topic. They did oil analyses at a few £k, 5k, 10k, 15k and 20k, and they also came to the conclusion that yes, you can change too early. They also did 2 changes of 7.5k, one being 12 months apart, the other being around 18 months.

Basically it seemed some time between 10-15k was ideal, there was basically zero difference between 5k and 10k, and no difference between 12 and 18 months.

So basically, no need for an annual service if it hasn't done the miles, and no need to change before 10k. This was 5W-30 FS oil, Castrol.

Thank you for this, I'm in a strange position now, where I will barely do 4k max a year in my car, this information suggests that rolling to a 2 year 8k oil+filter change won't do me any harm, and if anything <4k changes looks like overkill, possibly in a bad way!

Yep. I'd go for every 18 months or so.

What engines did they test this on?

Suspect plenty of diesels would benefit from an annual change.

Yep,diesels are absolutely filthy engines. The oil gets clogged up with soot and other crap in no time. Very regular changes really help.

[M4cruiser]

CousinDupree said:

Yep,diesels are absolutely filthy engines. The oil gets clogged up with soot and other crap in no time. Very regular changes really help.

^ I agree, but try telling that to the leasing company which controls the servicing on the VW Diesel I'm running.
It went in for a service (dashboard said oil service needed, after 12,000 miles) and the "experts" would allow only a "dry" service, so the oil is in for another 6 months. Crazy.

[mercedeslimos]

M4cruiser said:

CousinDupree said:

Yep,diesels are absolutely filthy engines. The oil gets clogged up with soot and other crap in no time. Very regular changes really help.

^ I agree, but try telling that to the leasing company which controls the servicing on the VW Diesel I'm running.
It went in for a service (dashboard said oil service needed, after 12,000 miles) and the "experts" would allow only a "dry" service, so the oil is in for another 6 months. Crazy.

Don't buy that at the end...

Any VW I've had that's had excessive engine wear (especially PD engines) has been on the Longlife servicing plan.

[QBee]

mercedeslimos said:

M4cruiser said:

CousinDupree said:

Yep,diesels are absolutely filthy engines. The oil gets clogged up with soot and other crap in no time. Very regular changes really help.

^ I agree, but try telling that to the leasing company which controls the servicing on the VW Diesel I'm running.
It went in for a service (dashboard said oil service needed, after 12,000 miles) and the "experts" would allow only a "dry" service, so the oil is in for another 6 months. Crazy.

Don't buy that at the end...

Any VW I've had that's had excessive engine wear (especially PD engines) has been on the Longlife servicing plan.

I think it depends on the terms of your lease/service agreement.
If there's the slightest risk of you getting lumbered with any part of the bill for replacing the engine, then I would just get oil and filter changed myself.
I mean, the oil I buy for my cars is fully synthetic and only costs £30 for 5 litres, and oil filters for both my cars are around a tenner.
Cheap for peace of mind. Your call.

[Buffalo]

M4cruiser said:

CousinDupree said:

Yep,diesels are absolutely filthy engines. The oil gets clogged up with soot and other crap in no time. Very regular changes really help.

^ I agree, but try telling that to the leasing company which controls the servicing on the VW Diesel I'm running.
It went in for a service (dashboard said oil service needed, after 12,000 miles) and the "experts" would allow only a "dry" service, so the oil is in for another 6 months. Crazy.

The oil light came on my Amarok at 5k miles (first service was at 20k. But I thought, big engine, just running in. Change oil. Rang local dealer: "No we can't change oil sir, it doesn't need it." Me: "But i want to change it". This went back and forth until I demanded to speak to somebody mechanical because of the stupidity of me arguing against a computer reading. Eventually the service manager came on the phone, and after much of the same he says: " OK, I'll change the oil, but we're not stamping the book" (which was what in was asking for anyway)

Incidentally, the light came on again at 11k miles, so I used an independent to change the oil again. It had its first service (and first official oil change) at 22k miles. Thereafter it never used a drop between normal service intervals.

I'm convinced that i was right to do the change on this occasion. I have seen vw cars less than 6 years old burning oil, and I think this is the combination of long initial service intervals and leasing.

[Sheepshanks]

Buffalo said:

The oil light came on my Amarok at 5k miles (first service was at 20k. But I thought, big engine, just running in. Change oil. Rang local dealer: "No we can't change oil sir, it doesn't need it." Me: "But i want to change it". This went back and forth until I demanded to speak to somebody mechanical because of the stupidity of me arguing against a computer reading. Eventually the service manager came on the phone, and after much of the same he says: " OK, I'll change the oil, but we're not stamping the book" (which was what in was asking for anyway)

Incidentally, the light came on again at 11k miles, so I used an independent to change the oil again. It had its first service (and first official oil change) at 22k miles. Thereafter it never used a drop between normal service intervals.

That’s all a bit weird - unless the vehicle is on fixed interval servicing the oil change interval is variable, so it can come up very early depending on how the vehicle is used. I have heard of VW dealers just resetting it though.

[M4cruiser]

Sheepshanks said:

That’s all a bit weird - unless the vehicle is on fixed interval servicing the oil change interval is variable, so it can come up very early depending on how the vehicle is used. I have heard of VW dealers just resetting it though.

^ Yes that's what they did, they reset it. Because when I went to pick it up from the "oil" service the car said it needed, which the dealer changed to a "dry" service, the advisories they read out to me said it needs an oil service. There followed an odd exchange of words (!) i.e. that's what I brought it here for, why do I need to book it in again for this Thursday? So they went out to the car and adjusted the dash display.

Whoever gets this car at the end of the lease is going to have some work to do, with luck it will be the OP because he seems to know how to do re-builds.

[Buffalo]

Sheepshanks said:

Buffalo said:

The oil light came on my Amarok at 5k miles (first service was at 20k. But I thought, big engine, just running in. Change oil. Rang local dealer: "No we can't change oil sir, it doesn't need it." Me: "But i want to change it". This went back and forth until I demanded to speak to somebody mechanical because of the stupidity of me arguing against a computer reading. Eventually the service manager came on the phone, and after much of the same he says: " OK, I'll change the oil, but we're not stamping the book" (which was what in was asking for anyway)

Incidentally, the light came on again at 11k miles, so I used an independent to change the oil again. It had its first service (and first official oil change) at 22k miles. Thereafter it never used a drop between normal service intervals.

That’s all a bit weird - unless the vehicle is on fixed interval servicing the oil change interval is variable, so it can come up very early depending on how the vehicle is used. I have heard of VW dealers just resetting it though.

Exactly what happened though. Our company paid servicing too (rather than it being a package) so it made even more ridiculous that I was arguing to spend money at the dealership. To me, the experience just shows that even modern engines need a running in period (it may vary for sure, but...) and that an early oil change is generally favorable.