Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner

[5s Alive]

The test driver said:

RM said:

Thanks. Anything he can do, or any warning signs? It seems to be low miles at around 40k which I guess could make it worse.

Frequent oil engine changes appear to help

I've resisted and resisted more but have failed at the final hurdle.

So^... ftfy

[Escy]

It passed the MOT with no advisory's a few weeks ago. It's done 9,500 miles since the re-build which I guess is a success. That said it's still loud. The crankcase pressure seems a bit high, I can feel chuffs with the oil cap off and it seems to need the oil topping up fairly regularly. It turns out there isn't an oil level warning light on these, can't believe JLR missed that out. It was bellow the minimum level the first time I noticed it was low. I keep a regular eye on it now. I don't notice any smoke from the exhaust, it runs nicely as it always has. The plan is the same as before, just run it until something happens and hope it doesn't.



Had my insurance renewal come up, market value has dropped 5k in a year and the insurance cost has nearly doubled.

[Sheepshanks]

My heart is always in my mouth when I see this thread come up. Thankfully it was "phew!".

On insurance, many have leapt dramatically - wife's Karoq up 68% last month and you may have the added hit of the industry not being happy with JLR.

[Speed 3]

Probably worth more broken for spares

[leglessAlex]

Escy said:

...It turns out there isn't an oil level warning light on these, can't believe JLR missed that out...

That an almost unbelivable omission given when this engine was made.

Even within the context of this thread and JLRs screw ups, that's a wild one

[Cambs_Stuart]

Sheepshanks said:

My heart is always in my mouth when I see this thread come up. Thankfully it was "phew!".

Me too! Glad to hear it's an uneventful update.

[Mad Maximus]

Always glad to hear it’s running well but my evil side wants some action so I can admire your skills and handy work.

Any new projects in the future?

[QBee]

Escy said:

Had my insurance renewal come up, market value has dropped 5k in a year and the insurance cost has nearly doubled.

My wife's insurance also more than doubled at renewal, and then some more when I told them I had had a minor accident.
I used the Meerkat search facility and reduced it to back down to £50 more than last year.
I suggest you might like to try something similar if you haven't already.

[The test driver]

Escy said:

It turns out there isn't an oil level warning light on these, can't believe JLR missed that out.

I know it means having to talk to a dealership and all the joys that brings but, it is worth checking to see if there are any later PCM software updates available, as I've heard of this being something that was addressed with other engine lines.

You maybe able to check yourself in Topix.

[The test driver]

5s Alive said:

The test driver said:

RM said:

Thanks. Anything he can do, or any warning signs? It seems to be low miles at around 40k which I guess could make it worse.

Frequent oil engine changes appear to help

I've resisted and resisted more but have failed at the final hurdle.

So^... ftfy

Absolutely fair game

[Escy]

Mad Maximus said:

Always glad to hear it’s running well but my evil side wants some action so I can admire your skills and handy work.

Any new projects in the future?

Nothing in the pipeline. A month ago I bought a Fiat Punto Evo Abarth with a blown head gasket which I fixed.

QBee said:

My wife's insurance also more than doubled at renewal, and then some more when I told them I had had a minor accident.
I used the Meerkat search facility and reduced it to back down to £50 more than last year.
I suggest you might like to try something similar if you haven't already.

I did have a look around. I managed to get it for £650 which is £225 up on last year.

The test driver said:

I know it means having to talk to a dealership and all the joys that brings but, it is worth checking to see if there are any later PCM software updates available, as I've heard of this being something that was addressed with other engine lines.

You maybe able to check yourself in Topix.

I'll look into it. I know there is an update available for the InControl system which adds Android Auto.

[Mad Maximus]

Is that the 165bhp punto? That would have been a good thread. I do miss the unfashionable little fiats.

[Escy]

It was the rare Esseesse version which comes with the hard back Sabelt seats and forged wheels so it was 180bhp. I drove it home 2 hours with the head gasket blown between cylinder 2 and 3 (so not issue with oil or coolant). It took me about 5 minutes to get it up to 70mph on the motorway.

[Mad Maximus]

Escy said:

It was the rare Esseesse version which comes with the hard back Sabelt seats and forged wheels so it was 180bhp. I drove it home 2 hours with the head gasket blown between cylinder 2 and 3 (so not issue with oil or coolant). It took me about 5 minutes to get it up to 70mph on the motorway.

That’s very rare. I saw one visiting local to me and looked really nice. You keeping it? Any pics?

[President Merkin]

Escy said:

That said it's still loud. The crankcase pressure seems a bit high, I can feel chuffs with the oil cap off and it seems to need the oil topping up fairly regularly.

Escy, have you checked the PCV valve? These are classic symptoms of a bad one,

[nismo48]

Cambs_Stuart said:

Sheepshanks said:

My heart is always in my mouth when I see this thread come up. Thankfully it was "phew!".

Me too! Glad to hear it's an uneventful update.

[remedy]

Thanks OP. I have lost a day reading the entire thread, having never seen it before.
Ups, downs, trials, tribulations, success, heartbreak, frustration with the wife. All bases covered. Fantastic read and in envy of your can-do approach!
The idea of pulling the engine for the second time gave me anxiety.

[Escy]

Mad Maximus said:

That’s very rare. I saw one visiting local to me and looked really nice. You keeping it? Any pics?

I've fancied one for a while but I've got no need for one. I've got my Boxster which I use as my main car and I barely use that as I walk to work. I figured if I kept the Abarth I would never use the Boxster. The initial plan was to fix it up, run it for a few months to scratch the itch and sell it on. It's was a bit of a chavvy example (had dodgy aftermarket headlights) and was high mileage, over 160k. There were knocks and clunks all over the place, it needed top mounts and drop links doing. I took it for a test drive after doing the engine and I was underwhelmed with the performance, it was decent but the Boxster has re-calibrated what feels fast to me. It was worth more in parts than complete and fixed up (due to the mileage) so that's the way I ended up going with it. Bit of a shame as it's a rare car.

President Merkin said:

Escy, have you checked the PCV valve? These are classic symptoms of a bad one,

I thought that, I was going to replace it but they aren't easily available in the aftermarket, I found a website that looked Russian but nothing in the UK. I think JLR will sell it complete with the housing and I assume it'll be quite expensive. I've seen diesels with a bad PCV valve and they build pressure up and you feel it escape as you undo the cap. It's not like that on this.

remedy said:

Thanks OP. I have lost a day reading the entire thread, having never seen it before.
Ups, downs, trials, tribulations, success, heartbreak, frustration with the wife. All bases covered. Fantastic read and in envy of your can-do approach!
The idea of pulling the engine for the second time gave me anxiety.

Fair play for reading through it all, it's a big thread. I'm glad you thought it was worth the time.

[Mad Maximus]

That is good miles for the little fiat. Looks clean enough and at least you can say you had one.

[Escy]

It looks like part 3 is coming up. My wife rang me to say it had conked out. She described it as a single crisp packet popping noise and then it slowly cut out and wouldn't start. It wouldn't turn over.

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I've had a quick look at it, pulled the starter motor out. The flywheel is solid if I try to turn it the correct direction. If I go backwards it's nice and smooth so the bottom end isn't locked up.

I've taken the top cover off, the upper chain is fine. The lower chain is still on its sprocket at the top but that's all I can see.

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If I move the flywheel whilst I have an inspection camera on the top sprocket for the lower chain it looks like there's quite a bit of movement when I go from anti clockwise to clockwise. My current theory is something has broken on the lower chain (tensioner/guide), it's slipped a tooth and bent a valve.

It looks like the gearbox and cylinder head are coming off this weekend. It's been recovered 3 times in a year now. Flat battery/gear selector issue, broken cam sprocket and now whatever this is.