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Sport220 said:
Love the way these look, certainly wouldn’t mind one as a daily. Great colour too!
Thank you, I would highly recommend one! (With a warranty..) Certainly one of the best cars I’ve had. I knew it had to be this colour too! I would have liked Silver wheels though, but I do like these.
Another update,
Since the car had its power distribution module replaced by Jaguar Assist, the 'traction battery warning' appeared on the screen, Jag assist recommended booking in to the main deer to be looked at, as he thought it could be related to the recall.
The deeeship needed the car for a couple of days, I had a 23 reg Evoque which was a very nice car, although I've never heard a modern diesel sound that bad, and I missed the instant go of the iPace. The dealership put it down to a faulty 12v battery, and said the Jag assist engineer was wrong when he said it was fine.... 12v battery now replaced, although they wouldn't cover it under warranty which was fair enough, they gave my daughter a colouring book!
Now the car is home, the left side of the steering wheel controls doesn't work at all which is strange. It needs to go back in soon to fix a leaking suspension component they found.
I also changed the pollen filter today, as there was a musty smell in the cabin, it certainly needed changing!
Since the car had its power distribution module replaced by Jaguar Assist, the 'traction battery warning' appeared on the screen, Jag assist recommended booking in to the main deer to be looked at, as he thought it could be related to the recall.
The deeeship needed the car for a couple of days, I had a 23 reg Evoque which was a very nice car, although I've never heard a modern diesel sound that bad, and I missed the instant go of the iPace. The dealership put it down to a faulty 12v battery, and said the Jag assist engineer was wrong when he said it was fine.... 12v battery now replaced, although they wouldn't cover it under warranty which was fair enough, they gave my daughter a colouring book!
Now the car is home, the left side of the steering wheel controls doesn't work at all which is strange. It needs to go back in soon to fix a leaking suspension component they found.
I also changed the pollen filter today, as there was a musty smell in the cabin, it certainly needed changing!
I am looking at these as it’s the only decent value EV on the used market that drives decently. The iX3 would be my pick as I love the bmw infotainment and have had a few beemers in the past including a x3 M40i. But I feel they have more to drop trading at 47k+ for a msport pro version.
I test drove one in london for a short half hour around Canary Wharf and was impressed with the ride comfort on 20’ and passive suspension. Wonder how 22 + air feels. As the looks improve a lot but range decreases a bit too.
Reading about all the issues is a bit worrying as I really need a painless experience with no time to waste at dealers trying to figure out issues…
At the moment my C63 wagon is a delight on the right road but a bit painful on everyday potholed city street. The suspension is really firm and the space inside a bit on the short side with 2 baby seats in the back.. I should probably have kept my X3 m40i… it was a bit dull but highly dependable, spacious and with all the tech one needs.
I just feel electric in town is more relaxing and I miss that feeling I had with the i3 back in the day. Hence the search in the Ev world.
I test drove one in london for a short half hour around Canary Wharf and was impressed with the ride comfort on 20’ and passive suspension. Wonder how 22 + air feels. As the looks improve a lot but range decreases a bit too.
Reading about all the issues is a bit worrying as I really need a painless experience with no time to waste at dealers trying to figure out issues…
At the moment my C63 wagon is a delight on the right road but a bit painful on everyday potholed city street. The suspension is really firm and the space inside a bit on the short side with 2 baby seats in the back.. I should probably have kept my X3 m40i… it was a bit dull but highly dependable, spacious and with all the tech one needs.
I just feel electric in town is more relaxing and I miss that feeling I had with the i3 back in the day. Hence the search in the Ev world.
rosino said:
I am looking at these as it’s the only decent value EV on the used market that drives decently. The iX3 would be my pick as I love the bmw infotainment and have had a few beemers in the past including a x3 M40i. But I feel they have more to drop trading at 47k+ for a msport pro version.
I test drove one in london for a short half hour around Canary Wharf and was impressed with the ride comfort on 20’ and passive suspension. Wonder how 22 + air feels. As the looks improve a lot but range decreases a bit too.
Reading about all the issues is a bit worrying as I really need a painless experience with no time to waste at dealers trying to figure out issues…
At the moment my C63 wagon is a delight on the right road but a bit painful on everyday potholed city street. The suspension is really firm and the space inside a bit on the short side with 2 baby seats in the back.. I should probably have kept my X3 m40i… it was a bit dull but highly dependable, spacious and with all the tech one needs.
I just feel electric in town is more relaxing and I miss that feeling I had with the i3 back in the day. Hence the search in the Ev world.
They are great value at the moment, Certainly town driving is lovely, the most relaxing car I've owned, and general day to day use. I test drove one in london for a short half hour around Canary Wharf and was impressed with the ride comfort on 20’ and passive suspension. Wonder how 22 + air feels. As the looks improve a lot but range decreases a bit too.
Reading about all the issues is a bit worrying as I really need a painless experience with no time to waste at dealers trying to figure out issues…
At the moment my C63 wagon is a delight on the right road but a bit painful on everyday potholed city street. The suspension is really firm and the space inside a bit on the short side with 2 baby seats in the back.. I should probably have kept my X3 m40i… it was a bit dull but highly dependable, spacious and with all the tech one needs.
I just feel electric in town is more relaxing and I miss that feeling I had with the i3 back in the day. Hence the search in the Ev world.
The ride is great with the Air, mine is running the 20 inch wheels, although it can feel a bit crashy sometimes. I do like the 22 inch wheels, the ones with the carbon blades look fantastic. On the Facebook owners page, folk with the 22s and air still say it rides very impressively, not sure how they may affect the range though.
They do seem to vary in reliability, some I read about have had many miles with no problem at all, and others have had all sorts of problems, well worth having a warranty! It would be worth getting a later (2020) I think with the Pivi Pro software on the screen, much smoother than the earlier ones.
Would the iPace replace the C63? I do like the sound they make!
Had my first long distance drive in it a couple of days ago, in rural Devon....
I charged the car before we left, with a claimed 239 miles (which was way off in the end..) The traffic was terrible on the way, so when I did clear up, I didn't drive in the most economical fashion.. We arrived to the house after very windy, hilly small roads, I arrived with 27 miles, thinking I would get to a fast charger the next day, upon waking up, this was down to 16 miles for some reason, this just about got me to a local slow charger..
After some time there, it car 40 miles on it, which 12 miles of dissapeared. And miles vanished overnight again, meaning we had to top up at the same slow charger in the morning, to get to the fast charger.. I topped it up to 28 miles for a 21 mile trip to the pub/fast charger in the car park.
3 miles before we arrived, the bloody thing went into low power mode, then proceeded to say 'vehicle shutting down' right in the town near the fast chargers, luckily it carried on for the remaining 1 mile!! It then cut out right Infront of the charger conveniently.
I very much enjoyed the burger, and the kids enjoyed the soft play, 1 hour later, we had 213 miles,.not bad from zero, costing £58.
Certainly useful to know there still a bit of juice in it when it said it's stopping, but it has been rather stressful. And not something i would like to repeat. I'll not let it get past 20% remaining now, I should have planned it better really, and not expected many fast chargers around where we are staying.
When this goes back at the end of the PCP, I would look for.sometging with a batter range, or even a hybrid with a good EV range..
On the upside, the car has been fantastic here, lots of very muddy, flooded roads, which the iPace has had no problems with at all.
I charged the car before we left, with a claimed 239 miles (which was way off in the end..) The traffic was terrible on the way, so when I did clear up, I didn't drive in the most economical fashion.. We arrived to the house after very windy, hilly small roads, I arrived with 27 miles, thinking I would get to a fast charger the next day, upon waking up, this was down to 16 miles for some reason, this just about got me to a local slow charger..
After some time there, it car 40 miles on it, which 12 miles of dissapeared. And miles vanished overnight again, meaning we had to top up at the same slow charger in the morning, to get to the fast charger.. I topped it up to 28 miles for a 21 mile trip to the pub/fast charger in the car park.
3 miles before we arrived, the bloody thing went into low power mode, then proceeded to say 'vehicle shutting down' right in the town near the fast chargers, luckily it carried on for the remaining 1 mile!! It then cut out right Infront of the charger conveniently.
I very much enjoyed the burger, and the kids enjoyed the soft play, 1 hour later, we had 213 miles,.not bad from zero, costing £58.
Certainly useful to know there still a bit of juice in it when it said it's stopping, but it has been rather stressful. And not something i would like to repeat. I'll not let it get past 20% remaining now, I should have planned it better really, and not expected many fast chargers around where we are staying.
When this goes back at the end of the PCP, I would look for.sometging with a batter range, or even a hybrid with a good EV range..
On the upside, the car has been fantastic here, lots of very muddy, flooded roads, which the iPace has had no problems with at all.
thecremeegg said:
How about an i4 for the future? Mine does around 250 in the cold up to 320 in the summer if driven sensibly. This is the eDrive 40 version, not the M50
I would be very interested in one, I've seen quite a few around and really like them, in that dark green as well. I still have a bit of time on the PCP, but will look into them further when it's time to give it back. Also the Kia EV6, Indo like the Tesla model S as well, if the P100D has come down in value. I've had my batteries checked over, but even in the summer I struggle to get 220 miles, and winter 180-190 (I don't tend to drive it very economically though)
Thanks for the update. I think that's what's known as a "run out test", aka "doing a Coren" !
Generally I reckon it's best to avoid arriving at a destination that doesn't have a charger with low charge, as it limits your options. Could you have plugged in a three-pin charger at the holiday house? That would have saved a bit of hassle. Otherwise, probably best to stop for a charge at a fast charger en route, before you really get into the middle of nowhere
I appreciate stopping doesn't always appeal though.
With the range, I doubt the battery lost any charge overnight (I've heard 1% drop a month quoted for Li-Ion), it seems more likely to me that the car re-calculated range based on a lower assumed efficiency. The range 'Guessometer' on EVs isn't called that for nothing!
On the efficiency, there's always the option to drive slower on a motorway/DC which will have quite a noticeable effect on range if you want to defer/avoid a charging stop on a longer trip.
My view is that EVs are more convenient than petrol/diesel when used within their range, but a bit less so on longer trips, so for a car that's only doing long trips occasionally, the hassle of charging then is more than made up for by what you gain the rest of the time.
Generally I reckon it's best to avoid arriving at a destination that doesn't have a charger with low charge, as it limits your options. Could you have plugged in a three-pin charger at the holiday house? That would have saved a bit of hassle. Otherwise, probably best to stop for a charge at a fast charger en route, before you really get into the middle of nowhere
I appreciate stopping doesn't always appeal though.With the range, I doubt the battery lost any charge overnight (I've heard 1% drop a month quoted for Li-Ion), it seems more likely to me that the car re-calculated range based on a lower assumed efficiency. The range 'Guessometer' on EVs isn't called that for nothing!
On the efficiency, there's always the option to drive slower on a motorway/DC which will have quite a noticeable effect on range if you want to defer/avoid a charging stop on a longer trip.
My view is that EVs are more convenient than petrol/diesel when used within their range, but a bit less so on longer trips, so for a car that's only doing long trips occasionally, the hassle of charging then is more than made up for by what you gain the rest of the time.
samoht said:
Thanks for the update. I think that's what's known as a "run out test", aka "doing a Coren" !
Generally I reckon it's best to avoid arriving at a destination that doesn't have a charger with low charge, as it limits your options. Could you have plugged in a three-pin charger at the holiday house? That would have saved a bit of hassle. Otherwise, probably best to stop for a charge at a fast charger en route, before you really get into the middle of nowhere I appreciate stopping doesn't always appeal though.
With the range, I doubt the battery lost any charge overnight (I've heard 1% drop a month quoted for Li-Ion), it seems more likely to me that the car re-calculated range based on a lower assumed efficiency. The range 'Guessometer' on EVs isn't called that for nothing!
On the efficiency, there's always the option to drive slower on a motorway/DC which will have quite a noticeable effect on range if you want to defer/avoid a charging stop on a longer trip.
My view is that EVs are more convenient than petrol/diesel when used within their range, but a bit less so on longer trips, so for a car that's only doing long trips occasionally, the hassle of charging then is more than made up for by what you gain the rest of the time.
That's why I was so cross, completely my fault Generally I reckon it's best to avoid arriving at a destination that doesn't have a charger with low charge, as it limits your options. Could you have plugged in a three-pin charger at the holiday house? That would have saved a bit of hassle. Otherwise, probably best to stop for a charge at a fast charger en route, before you really get into the middle of nowhere
I appreciate stopping doesn't always appeal though.With the range, I doubt the battery lost any charge overnight (I've heard 1% drop a month quoted for Li-Ion), it seems more likely to me that the car re-calculated range based on a lower assumed efficiency. The range 'Guessometer' on EVs isn't called that for nothing!
On the efficiency, there's always the option to drive slower on a motorway/DC which will have quite a noticeable effect on range if you want to defer/avoid a charging stop on a longer trip.
My view is that EVs are more convenient than petrol/diesel when used within their range, but a bit less so on longer trips, so for a car that's only doing long trips occasionally, the hassle of charging then is more than made up for by what you gain the rest of the time.
I do no know not to let it get below 20%- 30%
As we were getting closer to the property, and realised how remote it was and how fast the range was dropping, I started to get more worried.
I just admit, that was going to be my plan, but the car park space was a little walk from the property, I would have had to put the plug through the window outside, and was right on a corner.
Definitely agreed for next time! If I do a longer trip again. I'll pull in closer to the destination to charge, I've now found Exeter services has 20 chargers, probably should have gone there! We're visiting a national trust property tomorrow, they have 6 chargers apparently, so I'll pop it on there whilst we have a wonder around, it has 198 miles on now though.
I think your right with regards to the battery, I've not let it get that low before, so hadn't experienced that behaviour before/left it overnight, certainly not to do that again.
That's one of the mistakes I made, travelling too fast on the motorway for efficiency, on the way home, I think I'll take it more easy, and try ECO mode. The conditions here weren't ideal either, wet, windy, and hilly, and cold.
Agreed as well, even though this has been less than ideal, it's been a great leaning curve, knowing it's limits when it's low (also not to let it get to that point again!)
I did have some nice chats with folk at the various charging bays (also the first slow charger gave me 2 hours free from father duty!) When at home, its brilliant, and cheap to run, even the fast charger I think would work out cheaper than a high performance petrol SUV doing the equivalent miles.
Edited by jamesbilluk on Monday 1st January 23:38
Another not so good update!
It's been a bit of time since it I had the H441 recall to monitor the battery cells, looks like it possibly has a fault cell/cells, as this came up this morning, and wil only charge to 90%
Looking at the FB group, they seem to stop charging at various percentages with this issue. I'll have to phone Jaguar Assist, or just get it booked into the dealership, worryingly, there seems to be quite a wait for battery parts..
I'll charge it tonight to see if it still limits the charge, but the warning message has been on all day..
Apparently it's battery issues from LG.
It's been a bit of time since it I had the H441 recall to monitor the battery cells, looks like it possibly has a fault cell/cells, as this came up this morning, and wil only charge to 90%
Looking at the FB group, they seem to stop charging at various percentages with this issue. I'll have to phone Jaguar Assist, or just get it booked into the dealership, worryingly, there seems to be quite a wait for battery parts..
I'll charge it tonight to see if it still limits the charge, but the warning message has been on all day..
Apparently it's battery issues from LG.
samoht said:
I hope Jaguar can get your battery sorted out, and hope you don't miss the 10% of battery capacity in the meantime too much - at least the weather should be warming up soon, which will help.
Thank you. Fingers crossed. I'm charging it now to see where it stops again, hopefully it was a one off.That's true, I should be ok if it does reduce the range, as I'm only doing local trips.
We do have a trip to Tenby in March..
jamesbilluk said:
samoht said:
I hope Jaguar can get your battery sorted out, and hope you don't miss the 10% of battery capacity in the meantime too much - at least the weather should be warming up soon, which will help.
Thank you. Fingers crossed. I'm charging it now to see where it stops again, hopefully it was a one off.That's true, I should be ok if it does reduce the range, as I'm only doing local trips.
We do have a trip to Tenby in March..
This is exactly what happened to mine after the H441 update, would only charge to 90%, then on the next charge only to 72%. That was back in October, called out Jaguar assist who confirmed that it was a battery cell fault and that I would need to book in with a dealer. That in its self was a pain, every local dealer I called said they were rammed with service work. Mine was actually seen, just for a diagnostic check, on 8th January. They confirmed that I had a faulty battery cell and it had to be ordered. I haven’t heard anything since but waits of up to 3 months for parts is not unheard of. I’ll be surprised if mine is fixed within 6 months of the issue first appearing.
So don’t hang around, get it looked at asap but prepare for a long wait,
Richtea1970 said:
Hate to say this but it will reduce further, probably down to 72%.
This is exactly what happened to mine after the H441 update, would only charge to 90%, then on the next charge only to 72%. That was back in October, called out Jaguar assist who confirmed that it was a battery cell fault and that I would need to book in with a dealer. That in its self was a pain, every local dealer I called said they were rammed with service work. Mine was actually seen, just for a diagnostic check, on 8th January. They confirmed that I had a faulty battery cell and it had to be ordered. I haven’t heard anything since but waits of up to 3 months for parts is not unheard of. I’ll be surprised if mine is fixed within 6 months of the issue first appearing.
So don’t hang around, get it looked at asap but prepare for a long wait,
That's what I was starting to fear. I did another charge this evening to see what would happen, guess what percent it stopped at.. OVO charge anytime say it will begin again at 0330, but I'm not so sure..This is exactly what happened to mine after the H441 update, would only charge to 90%, then on the next charge only to 72%. That was back in October, called out Jaguar assist who confirmed that it was a battery cell fault and that I would need to book in with a dealer. That in its self was a pain, every local dealer I called said they were rammed with service work. Mine was actually seen, just for a diagnostic check, on 8th January. They confirmed that I had a faulty battery cell and it had to be ordered. I haven’t heard anything since but waits of up to 3 months for parts is not unheard of. I’ll be surprised if mine is fixed within 6 months of the issue first appearing.
So don’t hang around, get it looked at asap but prepare for a long wait,
Blimey, that's quite a wait for yours
Thank you for the heads up as well, I'll start to phone my local dealerships ASAP.
Very strange that it lasted so long after having the recall completed, I thought I had got away with it, on the FB group, there seems to be quite a few with the same issue.
jamesbilluk said:
Very strange that it lasted so long after having the recall completed, I thought I had got away with it, on the FB group, there seems to be quite a few with the same issue.
Mine was the same, appeared about 6 weeks after the update. The worrying thing I’ve seen is that people get a cell replaced only for another to go a few weeks later.Such a shame as I love the car when it works but the reliability is making me have thoughts of selling it when it is fixed :-(
Richtea1970 said:
Mine was the same, appeared about 6 weeks after the update. The worrying thing I’ve seen is that people get a cell replaced only for another to go a few weeks later.
Such a shame as I love the car when it works but the reliability is making me have thoughts of selling it when it is fixed :-(
Ah, that doesn't sound ideal. I did read of a few people getting a new battery completely, although I'll bet they won't do that.. Such a shame as I love the car when it works but the reliability is making me have thoughts of selling it when it is fixed :-(
I've had a similar feeling with mine, it has gone wrong more than any new car I've had. I'm on a 34 month PCP deal though, so I think I'm with it for a while..
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