2023 Ineos Grenadier Diesel 5 seat Utility Station Wagon
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Lefty said:
Interesting! I’m 6’4” and a bit, not sat in one yet.
Did you get the parts to raise the seat and extend the wheel as part of a kit or did you make them yourself?
No, the basic seat adjustment and column adjustment were enough for me. There is quite a bit of adjustment possible as standard, but it is manual! If you have been used to a FFRR or modern Defender with electric everything, it will feel "quaint" or even "spartan".Did you get the parts to raise the seat and extend the wheel as part of a kit or did you make them yourself?
As I am expecting to keep this vehicle for 20+ years, I'm more interested in how well it will last than how well it is equipped, so manual or not fitted is fine by me.
Sounds a lot less trauma than running a Land Rover!
Re parts supply Mercedes are currently fitting used parts to cars as they have workshops full of cars awaiting repairs and no parts
If Ineos are lacking a secondary seal........ Sounds like a minor inconvenience
It will be interesting to hear how it does on a long Euro run. I wouldn't fancy that much in my 1994 90 at a cruising speed depending on how deaf you want to get!
Re parts supply Mercedes are currently fitting used parts to cars as they have workshops full of cars awaiting repairs and no parts
If Ineos are lacking a secondary seal........ Sounds like a minor inconvenience
It will be interesting to hear how it does on a long Euro run. I wouldn't fancy that much in my 1994 90 at a cruising speed depending on how deaf you want to get!
jeremy996 said:
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I don't find the foot hump an issue - most of the moaners have been well over 6' and wanted a seat position more like a sports car. I'm 6' only and have raised the seat and lengthened the steering column, straightening my left leg out.
No issues with the safari windows; they have been great when parked and we wanted a breeze through the vehicle on a hot day. You can even stick your head out the top to take photos.
I did not vote for Brexit - my wife and son are both eligible for Italian passports.
That was my idea of a joke. I had it in my mind only gammons would be interested in these. I don't find the foot hump an issue - most of the moaners have been well over 6' and wanted a seat position more like a sports car. I'm 6' only and have raised the seat and lengthened the steering column, straightening my left leg out.
No issues with the safari windows; they have been great when parked and we wanted a breeze through the vehicle on a hot day. You can even stick your head out the top to take photos.
I did not vote for Brexit - my wife and son are both eligible for Italian passports.
Today's voluntary activity - marshalling the Remembrance Parades in North West Leicestershire. I did "Tail-end Charlie" for parades in Castle Donington and Whitwick today, providing a barrier at the back of the parade and a mobile road block.
One numpty in a BMW i3, (it's always a BMW!), tried to drive throught the parade in Whitwick, ignoring road closed signs and a fellow volunteer trying to flag them down. The Grenadier makes a fine road block, so they turned around before the Police got to use their fixed penalty book.
One numpty in a BMW i3, (it's always a BMW!), tried to drive throught the parade in Whitwick, ignoring road closed signs and a fellow volunteer trying to flag them down. The Grenadier makes a fine road block, so they turned around before the Police got to use their fixed penalty book.
Edited by jeremy996 on Sunday 12th November 23:12
Past 16,400 miles now; I will need to book the next service in a month or so.
The vehicle is fine, no odd messages or failures to proceed, just climb in, fasten seatbelt, turn key and go. Ineos Automotive still have not ponied up the manual or parts books yet, (end of Q1 2024, supposedly), so very much tied to the dealer network. This cannot go on; I want to be able to spend the weekend doing a service slowly and carefully, whereas the dealer will need to do all of it as fast as possible to preserve their margin.
The lack of a parts book or retail spares outlet is a pain; I'd like to buy a ladder and the L-track for the load bay, (I was too cheap to specify them at build), but until the spares website is live, it is neither easy, quick or cheap.
The vehicle is fine, no odd messages or failures to proceed, just climb in, fasten seatbelt, turn key and go. Ineos Automotive still have not ponied up the manual or parts books yet, (end of Q1 2024, supposedly), so very much tied to the dealer network. This cannot go on; I want to be able to spend the weekend doing a service slowly and carefully, whereas the dealer will need to do all of it as fast as possible to preserve their margin.
The lack of a parts book or retail spares outlet is a pain; I'd like to buy a ladder and the L-track for the load bay, (I was too cheap to specify them at build), but until the spares website is live, it is neither easy, quick or cheap.
Good to hear it's running well.
Out of interest, is your dealer an old school independent garage or a modern typical main dealer effort with a nice receptionist and fancy showroom?
The nearest one to here is just a service agent (no sales) but is very much the former and is actually one of the reasons I would consider a Grenadier. A friend uses them for all of his repairs and rates them highly. Oddly, there isn't a Toyota garage at all in Aberdeen or shire at the moment and the LR main dealer is both useless and outrageously expensive by all accounts.
Out of interest, is your dealer an old school independent garage or a modern typical main dealer effort with a nice receptionist and fancy showroom?
The nearest one to here is just a service agent (no sales) but is very much the former and is actually one of the reasons I would consider a Grenadier. A friend uses them for all of his repairs and rates them highly. Oddly, there isn't a Toyota garage at all in Aberdeen or shire at the moment and the LR main dealer is both useless and outrageously expensive by all accounts.
Snow and Rocks said:
Good to hear it's running well.
Out of interest, is your dealer an old school independent garage or a modern typical main dealer effort with a nice receptionist and fancy showroom?
Chandlers of Belton are mainly an agricultural machinery dealer who have added a SsangYong franchise, (now KGM), and now the Ineos agency. https://www.chandlers.co.uk/ They also sell a lot of 2nd hand pickups. Out of interest, is your dealer an old school independent garage or a modern typical main dealer effort with a nice receptionist and fancy showroom?
I have a lot of time for them; they have tried very hard to offer a decent service, especially when Ineos Automotive appeared to be getting in the way. I get the distinct impression that Ineos have had a massive learning curve and are short of retail facing resources.
Snow and Rocks said:
Good to hear it's running well.
Out of interest, is your dealer an old school independent garage or a modern typical main dealer effort with a nice receptionist and fancy showroom?
The nearest one to here is just a service agent (no sales) but is very much the former and is actually one of the reasons I would consider a Grenadier. A friend uses them for all of his repairs and rates them highly. Oddly, there isn't a Toyota garage at all in Aberdeen or shire at the moment and the LR main dealer is both useless and outrageously expensive by all accounts.
LR dealer in Elgin (Frank Ogg) is meant to be much better than the shower of aOut of interest, is your dealer an old school independent garage or a modern typical main dealer effort with a nice receptionist and fancy showroom?
The nearest one to here is just a service agent (no sales) but is very much the former and is actually one of the reasons I would consider a Grenadier. A friend uses them for all of his repairs and rates them highly. Oddly, there isn't a Toyota garage at all in Aberdeen or shire at the moment and the LR main dealer is both useless and outrageously expensive by all accounts.
holes in Aberdeen.You’re right about the service agent in Huntly, they’re great.
Odometer now shows 18,999 miles and no issues to speak of.
Had one day when the tyre pressure sensors went "no contact" with the dash after some impromptu wading. The following day after a start and a short drive they came back to life, much to my and the workshop supervisor's relief- finding an intermittent fault is no fun at all.
Ineos Automotive still have not delivered the workshop manuals and spares list originally outlined. Various sources inside Ineos say they are on the way, but it is clear that the "open source" vibe is long gone, buried by capitalistic grasping and IP rights management. With a 5 year manufacturer's warranty, I don't need manuals, but I really wanted to be able to understand the vehicle and how it was assembled, so I could make personalisation changes and add accessories myself slowly and carefully.
As an owner, I can spend a whole day changing the oil and doing the visual checks, whereas a dealer has to do it in three hours or less to keep their productivity up. I am happy to potter with my own vehicle and spend time doing the scratch repairs, touching up the rust inhibitor and greasing the fittings.
Had one day when the tyre pressure sensors went "no contact" with the dash after some impromptu wading. The following day after a start and a short drive they came back to life, much to my and the workshop supervisor's relief- finding an intermittent fault is no fun at all.
Ineos Automotive still have not delivered the workshop manuals and spares list originally outlined. Various sources inside Ineos say they are on the way, but it is clear that the "open source" vibe is long gone, buried by capitalistic grasping and IP rights management. With a 5 year manufacturer's warranty, I don't need manuals, but I really wanted to be able to understand the vehicle and how it was assembled, so I could make personalisation changes and add accessories myself slowly and carefully.
As an owner, I can spend a whole day changing the oil and doing the visual checks, whereas a dealer has to do it in three hours or less to keep their productivity up. I am happy to potter with my own vehicle and spend time doing the scratch repairs, touching up the rust inhibitor and greasing the fittings.
Snow and Rocks said:
Thanks for the update - Just reading back through, what sort of fuel consumption are you getting on a long fast run like you did at ~80 mph through France? Be interesting to compare it to what my current much slower and lighter Hilux would get.
22.6mpg for the French jaunt. That was with 3 adults and a lot of junkAs for the servicing, I could do it but we have no official details released to the public. I can buy the bits off the dealer, (with no discount), and keeping the invoices should keep the warranty alive, but Chandlers have proved to be competent and not over expensive.
jeremy996 said:
22.6mpg for the French jaunt. That was with 3 adults and a lot of junk
That's actually not catastrophic given the weight, tyres, aerodynamics, permanent 4x4, autobox and powerful 6 cylinder engine. My manual Hilux does around 25 under the same conditions, the speed really does make a huge difference - 35 is readily achievable in day to day bumbling about locally. jeremy996 said:
Snow and Rocks said:
Thanks for the update - Just reading back through, what sort of fuel consumption are you getting on a long fast run like you did at ~80 mph through France? Be interesting to compare it to what my current much slower and lighter Hilux would get.
22.6mpg for the French jaunt. That was with 3 adults and a lot of junkAs for the servicing, I could do it but we have no official details released to the public. I can buy the bits off the dealer, (with no discount), and keeping the invoices should keep the warranty alive, but Chandlers have proved to be competent and not over expensive.
I did an 835 mile round trip to Chester a few weeks back, computer reckoned 23mpg but I actually used 140 litres of diesel which works out to almost 27mpg
That’s just me and an overnight bag, cruise on at 75mph and winter tyres rather than the stock BFG AT’s which maybe helps. My point is just that the computer doesn’t seem very accurate.
Edited by Lefty on Friday 19th April 07:45
Lefty said:
Was that on the computer or did you calculate it?
I did an 835 mile round trip to Chester a few weeks back, computer reckoned 23mpg but I actually used 140 litres of diesel which works out to almost 27mpg
That’s just me and an overnight bag, cruise on at 75mph and winter tyres rather than the stock BFG AT’s which maybe helps. My point is just that the computer doesn’t seem very accurate.
Calculated and only the there and back journeys, so the Autoroute most of the way. My old LR110CSW would do the trip on recycled veg oil and about 30mpg but at not much over 60mph, (and even then heads would rattle from the noise for a few hours). I did an 835 mile round trip to Chester a few weeks back, computer reckoned 23mpg but I actually used 140 litres of diesel which works out to almost 27mpg
That’s just me and an overnight bag, cruise on at 75mph and winter tyres rather than the stock BFG AT’s which maybe helps. My point is just that the computer doesn’t seem very accurate.
I had no complaints from the passengers during the trip which is almost without precedent; the Grenadier is surprisingly refined, not FFRR, but better than the household 2012 Fiat 500 and the various middle of the road hire cars I have driven recently.
Edited by jeremy996 on Sunday 21st April 21:48
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