New Ph2 Clio 172

[rb5230]

ManOpener said:

rb5230 said:

ManOpener said:

The ST interior is pretty dreary. Even the Mk1 Focus interior is better!

well that is a view contrary to EVERY magazine road test feature EVER done. seriously i think you need glasses. anyone car to get a couple of pictures up of the 2? it is like a night and day difference. if i had a scanner available i would post up a few magazine features about them.

I own a Mk1, a good mate has an ST. The Mk1 interior might be a bit gimmicky and odd but it's not a sea of dull grey punctuated with scratchy very fake aluminium paint, unlike the ST's interior. Plus the radio on the ST looks _SO_ stupid.

you forgot to put imo at the end as your opinion really is in the minority as ALL mag reviews will show you.

biassed by any chance?

[ManOpener]

rb5230 said:

ManOpener said:

rb5230 said:

ManOpener said:

The ST interior is pretty dreary. Even the Mk1 Focus interior is better!

well that is a view contrary to EVERY magazine road test feature EVER done. seriously i think you need glasses. anyone car to get a couple of pictures up of the 2? it is like a night and day difference. if i had a scanner available i would post up a few magazine features about them.

I own a Mk1, a good mate has an ST. The Mk1 interior might be a bit gimmicky and odd but it's not a sea of dull grey punctuated with scratchy very fake aluminium paint, unlike the ST's interior. Plus the radio on the ST looks _SO_ stupid.

you forgot to put imo at the end as your opinion really is in the minority as ALL mag reviews will show you.

biassed by any chance?

Why would I be? My Mk1 was cheap and cheerful, if I want thrills I'll take the bike. The ST is a good car if you excuse the absurd torque steer and low-rent interior.

[anonymous-user]

Excellent choice. I've had my Cup 172 for almost 6 months, what a machine - electronics aside

I had an absolute hoot on the run down to Goodwood early saturday morning following a Mazda 3 MPS

[rb5230]

ManOpener said:

The ST is a good car if you excuse the absurd torque steer and low rent interior

now you are really starting to make it look like you have no clue what you are talking about, there is almost zero torque steer on a standard focus ST, again as mentioned by all magazine reviews.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/ford/focus-st/road-test/...
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/6125...

just a couple of articles above telling how the ST torque steers hardly at all and certainly no worse than any other powerful fwd hatch.

and below just a couple of points about the "low rent inetrior"

EvoMagazine said:

It’s easy to see where some of that weight could have been saved: the huge Recaro seats must add a fair few kilos, as must the thick carpets, the generous soundproofing, the thick doors and their heavy seals. However, living with the ST in the long-term these are things you probably wouldn’t want to throw overboard. The Recaros, for example, while set a little high, were the most comfortable sports seats I have had the pleasure of sitting in. After breaking a couple of ribs while shooting Car of the Year I was pleased that it was these seats I was being driven home in and not some of the more expensive but less comfortable ones in the convoy. The satnav/telephone/audio system was another highlight of the interior. The satnav (a £2000 option) only let me down once, and that turned out to be due to a user error. The hands-free Bluetooth connection (£250) was the perfect answer to the new phone laws and was also clear enough that people didn’t think I was calling from the inside of a lawnmower grass collector. Meanwhile the sound system was sufficiently loud that I never quite had the stomach to see just how deafening it could be.

Autotrader said:

The Ford Focus ST-2 mid-trim model we drove benefits from a Sony sound system, bi-xenon headlights, LED rear lights and the excellent Quickclear heated front windscreen. Our test car had sat-nav and a large entertainment screen which is an £800 option. The top ST-3 trim adds a six-CD autochanger and full leather trim. As with the whole of the Focus range, the interior is well built and robust.

hmmm

Edited by rb5230 on Tuesday 6th July 11:40

[ManOpener]

rb5230 said:

ManOpener said:

The ST is a good car if you excuse the absurd torque steer and low rent interior

now you are really starting to make it look like you have no clue what you are talking about, there is almost zero torque steer on a standard focus ST, again as mentioned by all magazine reviews.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/ford/focus-st/road-test/...
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/6125...

just a couple of articles above telling how the ST torque steers hardly at all and certainly no worse than any other powerful fwd hatch.

and below just a couple of points about the "low rent inetrior"

EvoMagazine said:

more stuff

Autotrader said:

yet more stuff

hmmm

Edited by rb5230 on Tuesday 6th July 11:40

His one certainly torque-steered like a bh with the traction control off- even more so now it's been remapped. The Edition 30 I drove a while back seemed far less liable to throw you off the road, though that was possibly due to the lower torque output.

I don't agree with either of those articles on the quality of the interior. I will accept that the seats are comfy and its all reasonably well screwed together, that doesn't mean its an attractive interior. Nor will a couple of motoring journalists' views cause me to suddenly have an epiphany and decide that I do like it's interior, and it doesn't torque steer at all, regardless of what happens when you turn off the TC and plant the throttle.

[rb5230]

ManOpener said:

His one certainly torque-steered like a bh with the traction control off- even more so now it's been remapped. The Edition 30 I drove a while back seemed far less liable to throw you off the road, though that was possibly due to the lower torque output.

I don't agree with either of those articles on the quality of the interior. I will accept that the seats are comfy and its all reasonably well screwed together, that doesn't mean its an attractive interior. Nor will a couple of motoring journalists' views cause me to suddenly have an epiphany and decide that I do like it's interior, and it doesn't torque steer at all, regardless of what happens when you turn off the TC and plant the throttle.

ok well if you dont like the interior you dont like it but most people who have actually been one do and it is leagues ahead of the old mk1 focus in every respect, but whatever floats your boat.

and now you say you have been in a modded one which torque steered? suprised? what was that about 270bhp? for the focus rs they changed the suspension design to help with this as it is way over standard ST power output. did your friend do this? and you compare it against a standard golf gti with 230bhp? so anyway he floored it with traction control off and it torque steered, were his tyres in good condition? seriously they hardly torque steer at all as standard as the all articles will tell you. perhaps you should try actually driving one and maybe even try one in as new condition.

i really cant be bothered to have to keep going over this (every magazine review will back up what i have said and none what you are attempting to say) but i owned one for 2 and a half years and you abviously dont know jack all about them.

[ManOpener]

rb5230 said:

and now you say you have been in a modded one which torque steered? suprised? what was that about 270bhp? for the focus rs they changed the suspension design to help with this as it is way over standard ST power output. did your friend do this? and you compare it against a standard golf gti with 230bhp? so anyway he floored it with traction control off and it torque steered, were his tyres in good condition? seriously they hardly torque steer at all as standard as the all articles will tell you. perhaps you should try actually driving one and maybe even try one in as new condition.

i really cant be bothered to have to keep going over this (every magazine review will back up what i have said and none what you are attempting to say) but i owned one for 2 and a half years and you abviously dont know jack all about them.

I can only base my case on my own experience. The one I drove (pre-map mind) torque-steered to a far greater degree than the Ed30 I drove, which is a FWD car with similar power. He was claiming about 300bhp with the map and stiffer wastegate spring, but got no idea how likely that is as it wasn't my car. I haven't driven it since it was mapped but it certainly seems to be more of a handful. Or maybe my mate is a st driver; regardless, when I drove it it certainly torque steered to a pretty bad degree. Could be tyres, could be the fact I don't drive high performance FWD vehicles very often, who knows. I do like the selective reading though- just because someone disagrees with your point of view, or with a magazine review, does not mean that they're uneducated, lying or wrong .