Mastodon's Leon Cupra R

[CaptainSensib1e]

I used to have one of these. It's a great car, glad youy are enjoying it.

[Porkie]

great cars. Those seats arent though.... hence why the cars with the Recaros are well sought after.

[Baryonyx]

I spied a normal Leon today in the same shape today, I can't believe it's related to this monster!

[russy01]

Nice motor, drove a few of these before getting my last motor. Sounds like your car has been breathed on mind as I found the performance rather dull, the sound pretty bland, and the car seemed a bit soft to other hatches I tried.

However I'm sure a set of eibachs and a trip to revo would transform the car.

My favourite of the crop was definitely an ep3 ctr, out of the box that hard edged sound, handling and of course that gearchange was as it should be, but then it looks like a combo van.

Cupra though is the best looking, those black wheels fit perfectly. You'll want to look after that paint mind as they fade like a treat. I'm assuming it's the later twin intercooler 225hp model.

[Mastodon2]

It is indeed a the 225bhp model, I didn't realise it had twin intercoolers though, you learn something every day. I did test drive a lovely EP3 on the same day as I bought the LCR, and while it was a hoot to drive, the interior was clearly made of much cheaper materials and was that cossetting, and it was nowhere near as fast as the LCR. Nice car and I wouldn't rule out owning one some day (if they haven't all turned into scrappy old dogs over the next few years, a real possibility), but I've always loved turbo cars and with so many points in the LCRs favour the Civic never really stood a chance with me.

The car does have a Milltek exhaust, which could well do a lot to improve the sound. Pretty highly regarded products, are Milltek exhausts!

I was going to nominate the LCR for the "overlooked cars" thread, they were totally off my radar before I bought one. I saw the latest model in magazines like EVO but never considered owning a Seat car. However, since I bought mine, I've seen two other PHers that own or have owned them. I had only ever seen a LCR 225 like mine once, when it filled up next to me at a petrol station - quite possibly the car I actually went on to own.

Edited by Mastodon2 on Saturday 12th March 13:18

[Baryonyx]

This needs a trip to a Dyno to see just what BHP it's putting out.

[danneth]

deffo needs a trip to the dyno if you say the CTR was no where near as fast

[paulmoonraker]

Cool - they are a really nice looking car. Fast hatches are great fun. I loved my old ST170.

[paulmoonraker]

A good sounding exhaust also makes it go faster... My old back box made my car real slow, however, my new one makes my car faster than god in the Millennium Falcon...

Seriously though, anything with 225bhp and a swift 0-60 will feel proper quick and a significant difference will only be felt when blasting into some bigger speeds... also, don’t listen to anyone suggesting drab grey, yellow is where it's at ...

Edited by paulmoonraker on Saturday 12th March 17:23

[russy01]

There isn't much in it between a standard lcr and ctr, if yours was substantially quicker I'd take a guess that someones already had a fiddle with it.

Iirc 210 versions so pre 2004 are single intercoolers and the 225 are twin. It was 4yrs ago I was looking at them mind, so might be wrong.

[Baryonyx]

danneth said:

deffo needs a trip to the dyno if you say the CTR was no where near as fast

I've now seen this car in person, it is incredibly fast. A CTR isn't even in the same league. This thing has face melting acceleration.

[stabbed rat]

Baryonyx said:

danneth said:

deffo needs a trip to the dyno if you say the CTR was no where near as fast

I've now seen this car in person, it is incredibly fast. A CTR isn't even in the same league. This thing has face melting acceleration.

That makes us want dyno sheets even more...Not for custard reasons but just to know what its putting down

[Baryonyx]

I'll add that as much as I like the Civic Type R, this car is a cut above in most respects. For a car of this age and performance to be in such superb condition is encouraging.

[Olivera]

russy01 said:

There isn't much in it between a standard lcr and ctr, if yours was substantially quicker I'd take a guess that someones already had a fiddle with it.

Iirc 210 versions so pre 2004 are single intercoolers and the 225 are twin. It was 4yrs ago I was looking at them mind, so might be wrong.

Both 210 and 225 versions have two side mounted intercoolers. There is actually no difference between 210 and 225 versions apart from a few tiny cosmetic differences and a different engine map. Both 210 and 225 versions remap to the same BHP and are effectively the same car.

A standard LCR will be roughly equal in performance to a balls out Civic Type R driver. As you have noticed there is a difference once the Leon is remapped.

[danneth]

Baryonyx said:

I've now seen this car in person, it is incredibly fast. A CTR isn't even in the same league. This thing has face melting acceleration.

id put on it been mapped to around 260-270bhp then, i had a CTR before the 3mps and there was nothing between that and a standard LCR

[ManOpener]

Olivera said:

Both 210 and 225 versions have two side mounted intercoolers. There is actually no difference between 210 and 225 versions apart from a few tiny cosmetic differences and a different engine map. Both 210 and 225 versions remap to the same BHP and are effectively the same car.

A standard LCR will be roughly equal in performance to a balls out Civic Type R driver. As you have noticed there is a difference once the Leon is remapped.

I thought the 210bhp version lacked variable valve timing, whereas the 225 didn't?

[Olivera]

ManOpener said:

I thought the 210bhp version lacked variable valve timing, whereas the 225 didn't?

Nope they both have VVT. The power difference is software only due to an increase in boost pressure. Full detail of the (tiny) differences can be found here:

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1...

Oh, I'm just back from a Cadwell Park day in mine - now intending to turn it into a track car!

[Sir_Dave]

Lovely looking cars the LCR!!

Be careful of the yellow paint though, i can see its starting to fade in places already ...

What suspension are you running on it? Clearly not standard.

[rb5230]

Did I see this car today on the M4 around junction 3?

It was also yellow with very dark wheels and the same exhaust.

[russy01]

Olivera said:

russy01 said:

There isn't much in it between a standard lcr and ctr, if yours was substantially quicker I'd take a guess that someones already had a fiddle with it.

Iirc 210 versions so pre 2004 are single intercoolers and the 225 are twin. It was 4yrs ago I was looking at them mind, so might be wrong.

Both 210 and 225 versions have two side mounted intercoolers. There is actually no difference between 210 and 225 versions apart from a few tiny cosmetic differences and a different engine map. Both 210 and 225 versions remap to the same BHP and are effectively the same car.

A standard LCR will be roughly equal in performance to a balls out Civic Type R driver. As you have noticed there is a difference once the Leon is remapped.

Yea i remember now, the model change i refer to must be the older 180 model to the 210.