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Not fair really as they described it as needing work maybe it was more work than you were prepared to take on but it was a very cheap SSE the fact they simply gave you you`re money back when you were not happy with the purchase is fair play to them and I suspect they did not make a fuss about refunding your money as that is not their way.
I remember that car it was there when I bought my 997 from them and I know a few people on here commented on how cheap it was and a couple of people who saw it felt Harry was being harsh on the car.
I remember that car it was there when I bought my 997 from them and I know a few people on here commented on how cheap it was and a couple of people who saw it felt Harry was being harsh on the car.
johnbrace said:
Not fair really as they described it as needing work maybe it was more work than you were prepared to take on but it was a very cheap SSE the fact they simply gave you you`re money back when you were not happy with the purchase is fair play to them and I suspect they did not make a fuss about refunding your money as that is not their way.
I remember that car it was there when I bought my 997 from them and I know a few people on here commented on how cheap it was and a couple of people who saw it felt Harry was being harsh on the car.
You my friend are either connected too or just cannot see the wood for the trees. What you have stated above is absolutly full of it .... and it stinks.I remember that car it was there when I bought my 997 from them and I know a few people on here commented on how cheap it was and a couple of people who saw it felt Harry was being harsh on the car.
Not a fuss ......... lol (but to be fair, Martin was fine)
Needing work, being harsh ........ lol
Cheap ............... lol
I have stated on here the original description verbatim. The guy asked about Portiacraft and I have told my story, I had heard mixed things abouth them in the past but gave them the benefit of the doubt. ..... My mistake,
The description was so far out and incorrect from what the actual state of the car was in, that it was I'm guessing almost unlawful.
For you to state that on forums, Harry was being harsh on the description condition of the car.
What utter crap. The car was a dog.More work than I was expecting? Yeah you could say that, but only because I believed what the add was stating.
In my line of work, you are only as good as your last job, becasue I work off mainly reccomendation. Poor recommendation = less work, unsure possible future/returning customers.
Portiacraft would not keep coming up on forums, if mostly thay were doing the job right. I will not ne returning, to me that says it all.
Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 29th May 11:28
Wozy68 said:
johnbrace said:
Not fair really as they described it as needing work maybe it was more work than you were prepared to take on but it was a very cheap SSE the fact they simply gave you you`re money back when you were not happy with the purchase is fair play to them and I suspect they did not make a fuss about refunding your money as that is not their way.
I remember that car it was there when I bought my 997 from them and I know a few people on here commented on how cheap it was and a couple of people who saw it felt Harry was being harsh on the car.
You my friend are either connected too or just cannot see the wood for the trees. What you have stated above is absolutly full of it .... and it stinks.I remember that car it was there when I bought my 997 from them and I know a few people on here commented on how cheap it was and a couple of people who saw it felt Harry was being harsh on the car.
Not a fuss ......... lol (but to be fair, Martin was fine)
Needing work, being harsh ........ lol
Cheap ............... lol
I have stated on here the original description verbatim. The guy asked about Portiacraft and I have told my story, I had heard mixed things abouth them in the past but gave them the benefit of the doubt. ..... My mistake,
The description was so far out and incorrect from what the actual state of the car was in, that it was I'm guessing almost unlawful.
For you to state that on forums, Harry was being harsh on the description condition of the car.
What utter crap. The car was a dog.More work than I was expecting? Yeah you could say that, but only because I believed what the add was stating.
In my line of work, you are only as good as your last job, becasue I work off mainly reccomendation. Poor recommendation = less work, unsure possible future/returning customers.
Portiacraft would not keep coming up on forums, if mostly thay were doing the job right. I will not ne returning, to me that says it all.
Edited by Wozy68 on Sunday 29th May 11:28
Out of curiosity did you ever find a car .
I am NOT referring to any particular seller, generally when I buy a car and if the ad says FSH, I expect to actually see paperwork to support that. Let's say I look at such a car, though only the service book is there and I (stupidly) go ahead with the purchase, the price reflecting a FSH car with no incident. a year later when I take it to another specialist for maintenance only to find the company supposedly to have stamped the service book has no such record and the car had a major front end repair ( for whatevervreason) which is not mentioned anywhere. I would be slightly annoyed.
Again I am speaking in general terms!
Again I am speaking in general terms!
Before someone tells me I should have had an independent inspection - let's say I have bought a car from the same seller in the hypothetical situation before which was independently inspected and several items were supposed to have been repaired/seen to before I took delivery but were not, admittedly it was a PX car. So I actually had good impression at the time . But I believe if I am buying from a "specialist" there have to be certain min expectation including "a major front end repair" would be mentioned in the sales blurb.
But I reiterate-I am talking about a general situation, not referring to any particular seller, Porsche or otherwise
But I reiterate-I am talking about a general situation, not referring to any particular seller, Porsche or otherwise
I think in general terms it is buyer beware. I also think that indies have far less resources than the main dealers to fight a legal battle. I bought a BMW M3 for my sister, from a BMW main dealer. The salesman lied about the number of previous owners. When I collected the car he said that they had already posted the V5. I had no proof in writing with regard to the number of previous owners. That was the good bit. In brief. My sister notices some issues when she was cleaning the car. Writes to previous owner who rings her. Car was repaired by another BMW main dealer after his wife had been hit up the back at a T junction and pushed out into the oncoming traffic. The repair bill was well over 20K. Why they repaired it I have no idea and it was not on the HPI register.
This incident taught me a very big lesson. If you don't know what you are looking at get it inspected. Even brand new cars can get damaged and repaired before they are sold to the unsuspecting public.
This incident taught me a very big lesson. If you don't know what you are looking at get it inspected. Even brand new cars can get damaged and repaired before they are sold to the unsuspecting public.
johnbrace said:
WOW! sorry didn't want to get into a heated debate with you the point I made was you bought a car your were not happy with and they refunded your money.
Out of curiosity did you ever find a car .
Sorry John, it just still rattles me. The car was alot of money for a very poor SSE. Out of curiosity did you ever find a car .
Yep I gave up searching for an older aircooled 911. I've had a few air cooled over the years and finally decided that most were just overpriced tat. So I totally suprised myself and bought something I never thought I'd buy. ...... a 968CS, and even more suprising is I absolutly love it.
All the best.
Wozy68 said:
johnbrace said:
WOW! sorry didn't want to get into a heated debate with you the point I made was you bought a car your were not happy with and they refunded your money.
Out of curiosity did you ever find a car .
Sorry John, it just still rattles me. The car was alot of money for a very poor SSE. Out of curiosity did you ever find a car .
Yep I gave up searching for an older aircooled 911. I've had a few air cooled over the years and finally decided that most were just overpriced tat. So I totally suprised myself and bought something I never thought I'd buy. ...... a 968CS, and even more suprising is I absolutly love it.
All the best.
A mate of mine did it with an E type that he lost over 40k on . If as you say you spent 10k on that car then you would have had a terrific SSE that you know every nut and bolt on and you would probably be able to sell it on for only what it cost you or perhaps a small profit, a pointless exercise .
Only worth doing if you are going to keep it for at least 10 years and enjoy it.
Each to their own.
I would always have an independent inspection on anything more than 5 or 6 years old. I purchased a 1990 Lotus Elan from a well known marque specialist (& former franchised dealer) and let my guard down due to this.
The car had a new MOT yet had needed suspension arms all round as they were dangerously rotted away, roughly £2K of work, plus some other minor issues. I got a refund. Had I been buying privately I'd have been more cautious.
The car had a new MOT yet had needed suspension arms all round as they were dangerously rotted away, roughly £2K of work, plus some other minor issues. I got a refund. Had I been buying privately I'd have been more cautious.
johnbrace said:
I suppose in truth any factory SSE Coupe at the 15k mark is cheap no matter what the condition but still as you say overpriced tat for what they are. It amazes me when I hear someone has paid hundreds of thousands for a box of bits that they are going to spend even more restoring but that is the classic car market , the heart rules the head and they usually end up losing fortunes and the next person in line reaps the benefit of their hard work that is why it is better finding a car that someone has blown thousands on and will never get his money back.
A mate of mine did it with an E type that he lost over 40k on . If as you say you spent 10k on that car then you would have had a terrific SSE that you know every nut and bolt on and you would probably be able to sell it on for only what it cost you or perhaps a small profit, a pointless exercise .
Only worth doing if you are going to keep it for at least 10 years and enjoy it.
Each to their own.
15K for this SSE was at least 5K overpriced. The extra 10K I stated to put it right would only have put it into an ok, run of the mill condition..... it's body was that bad, let alone the mechanicals. To make it better than that would have cost alot more. Far more than even a top dollar SSE is worth.A mate of mine did it with an E type that he lost over 40k on . If as you say you spent 10k on that car then you would have had a terrific SSE that you know every nut and bolt on and you would probably be able to sell it on for only what it cost you or perhaps a small profit, a pointless exercise .
Only worth doing if you are going to keep it for at least 10 years and enjoy it.
Each to their own.
stripy7 said:
Im guessing you havent seen many then.
When begining to look, I actually saw two other SSE around the same time for around the 10K mark, and a pretty rotten Turbo for 12.5K. One SSE here on PH, the Turbo on autotrader and the other SSE in the classifieds on the IB forum ..... this was late 09/begining 10. All the cars clearly stated they needed work but were more than capable of a couple of years driving before needing a resto. Unfortunatly I did not have the funds ready to be in the market until March so missed both the SSE and decided against the Turbo.Both SSE were easily just as good (one I believe alot better) as the one I ended up with. The Turbo needed alot of work, but it was still alot more honest than the tat I bought.
Remember I bought mainly off description (from a Porsche specialist) and if that description had been correct or even just somewhere near correct than 15K would have been a good price, as it was, that was not the case and thats why I would not use this dealer again; which in my view answers the OPs original question.
Edited by Wozy68 on Monday 30th May 21:38
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