993 Engine failures ?
Discussion
Ok. So I am reading this forum and know all the horror stories about 996 engines going bang. But then I read that the same is happening to 997s. One guy on here has posted that he has had two go bang - 
So I am sat here all smug looking at Helga, my 993 (big buxom german serving wench with two steins of beer on a tray and golden pony tails - you get the picture) sat in the garage.
Should I be so smug?
So I am sat here all smug looking at Helga, my 993 (big buxom german serving wench with two steins of beer on a tray and golden pony tails - you get the picture) sat in the garage.Should I be so smug?
No. I am a confirmed oil/air head but I would never feel smug. From the amount of posts on here 997 have more problems than 996 but build numbers are greater. When you think normally aspirated our cars where never making the horse power numbers that they do now. 285 varioram, 272 pre 308 for the RS but very few I know of actually made that power, 964 250 3.2 Carrera 231 again most where 220. I know of one 993RS comfort spec that needed a new engine after 6 months. Another 993 that was a three year old car with 28K on the clock and had completely knackered valve guides. My own 3.2 with 68K on the clock when the engine was stripped needed knew valve guides, piston rings worn to 1.7mm 1.0mm is the max and the oil pump had a tight spot in it. Yes generally speaking they have shown to be more reliable than the kettles but production methods, build numbers and horsepower have a lot to do with it as well.
No difference in the rate of catastrophic failures for 993, 996 and 997, if we are to believe some of the posts on here. The higher reported incidents with the latter cars are purely due to the greater number of cars on the road and the users of the later cars are more able and likely to post it on the net. Also, 993 will cost you best part of £15k when the engine goes pop, whereas, one of the later cars can have the engine replaced for considerably less. In actual fact 993 owners are more likely to suffer a catastrophic engine failure and when it does it is likely to be more expensive.
Anything contrary to the above is just hearsay and misinformation.
pp
Anything contrary to the above is just hearsay and misinformation.
pp
Unbelievable !
This forum has managed to help wreck the reputation of 996 & 997 engine reliability and has now turned its attention to 993's.
Any car engine can go, given bad luck or bad treatment or simply due to poor design. I'm all for constructive comments which are backed up by factual evidence, but I'm pretty sure that many comments on here are pure mischief making IMO
I sometimes wonder whether it's really worthwhile viewing this forum as all it does is give people sleepless nights.
This forum has managed to help wreck the reputation of 996 & 997 engine reliability and has now turned its attention to 993's.
Any car engine can go, given bad luck or bad treatment or simply due to poor design. I'm all for constructive comments which are backed up by factual evidence, but I'm pretty sure that many comments on here are pure mischief making IMO
I sometimes wonder whether it's really worthwhile viewing this forum as all it does is give people sleepless nights.
Pickled Piper said:
No difference in the rate of catastrophic failures for 993, 996 and 997, if we are to believe some of the posts on here. The higher reported incidents with the latter cars are purely due to the greater number of cars on the road and the users of the later cars are more able and likely to post it on the net. Also, 993 will cost you best part of £15k when the engine goes pop, whereas, one of the later cars can have the engine replaced for considerably less. In actual fact 993 owners are more likely to suffer a catastrophic engine failure and when it does it is likely to be more expensive.
Anything contrary to the above is just hearsay and misinformation.
pp
Very funny, but not compelling PP. FACT. Anything contrary to the above is just hearsay and misinformation.
pp
BertBert said:
Pickled Piper said:
No difference in the rate of catastrophic failures for 993, 996 and 997, if we are to believe some of the posts on here. The higher reported incidents with the latter cars are purely due to the greater number of cars on the road and the users of the later cars are more able and likely to post it on the net. Also, 993 will cost you best part of £15k when the engine goes pop, whereas, one of the later cars can have the engine replaced for considerably less. In actual fact 993 owners are more likely to suffer a catastrophic engine failure and when it does it is likely to be more expensive.
Anything contrary to the above is just hearsay and misinformation.
pp
Very funny, but not compelling PP. FACT. Anything contrary to the above is just hearsay and misinformation.
pp
In fact 993 engine failures are not reported on the interweb because us beardy 993 types haven't got the hang of posting.
ppcarcrazypop said:
Unbelievable !
This forum has managed to help wreck the reputation of 996 & 997 engine reliability and has now turned its attention to 993's.
Any car engine can go, given bad luck or bad treatment or simply due to poor design. I'm all for constructive comments which are backed up by factual evidence, but I'm pretty sure that many comments on here are pure mischief making IMO
I sometimes wonder whether it's really worthwhile viewing this forum as all it does is give people sleepless nights.
You're claims are somewhat wide of the mark I'm afraid. This forum has managed to help wreck the reputation of 996 & 997 engine reliability and has now turned its attention to 993's.
Any car engine can go, given bad luck or bad treatment or simply due to poor design. I'm all for constructive comments which are backed up by factual evidence, but I'm pretty sure that many comments on here are pure mischief making IMO
I sometimes wonder whether it's really worthwhile viewing this forum as all it does is give people sleepless nights.
Porsche AG has singlehandedly managed to wreck (not help wreck you'll note) the reputation of the 996 (AND worse still to my way of thinking) the 997 engines reliability.
Any decent company would have sought to address ALL the known issues the 996 engine was afflicted by prior to releasing the 997.
Whilst internet forums such as this may serve to perpetuate these issues, there's VERY rarely smoke without fire . . . .
And whilst every 993 engine it not doomed to fail, they will often leak oil and wear out valve stems/seals etc etc etc.
They're not the engineering panacea the motoring press (or Porsche AG) make/made them out to be.
Now just where's Orangecurry and his deluded views on 993 engines ?
I would still say that the build quality of the air/oil cooled engines is far better than the later stuff. I'm sure the techs would agree that the 993 was the first 911 to show the cost cutting excersises that Porsche started to make with the fixings and fastenings. But I still think to a degree it is a lottery. I have two mates that race a 3.2 Carrera with an engine that has done over 160,000 miles. Yes it has just started to leak oil a bit and they know they are down on power especially after driving mine and they are having a new motor being built as we speak. But this is their third year of racing it. If I had chosen not to rebuild my 3.2 motor I reckon the oil pump would have eventually caused the engine to grenade.
Slippydiff said:
Now just where's Orangecurry and his deluded views on 993 engines ?
Sorry I've been busy - but glad you take my opinions so seriously.
OK so how many engine failures have there been on the 996?
Oh...... you don't know?
The 997? The 993? The 3.2?
You say you don't actually know?
OK so what else can we use if we don't have any numbers?
How about asking Hartech how many of each they've done?
Oh no that's no good; 993 owners don't drive them.
I guess we are just going to have to worry/argue about it.
Or buy a Nissan?
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