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depends which car you are buying
a must have on a Cayman imo, as it alters the slip angle you can take in sports mode.
On a GT3 it just a timer, as the slip angle a justment is on a sports button.
on a PDK car you get a faster lauchcontrol with it.
So yes for me on some cars a must have on others it does nothing.
a must have on a Cayman imo, as it alters the slip angle you can take in sports mode.
On a GT3 it just a timer, as the slip angle a justment is on a sports button.
on a PDK car you get a faster lauchcontrol with it.
So yes for me on some cars a must have on others it does nothing.
mrdemon said:
depends which car you are buying
a must have on a Cayman imo, as it alters the slip angle you can take in sports mode.
On a GT3 it just a timer, as the slip angle a justment is on a sports button.
on a PDK car you get a faster lauchcontrol with it.
So yes for me on some cars a must have on others it does nothing.
It also adjusts the throttle map to make for less pedal travel. A must on a Cayman imo too. a must have on a Cayman imo, as it alters the slip angle you can take in sports mode.
On a GT3 it just a timer, as the slip angle a justment is on a sports button.
on a PDK car you get a faster lauchcontrol with it.
So yes for me on some cars a must have on others it does nothing.
Personally think it's a must but not for the timing side for the sharper throttle pedal and wider parameters on PSM. But it isnt so much of an issue these days, unless you actually want the wart on the dash, as you can have software upgraded to give you the 'Sport' option now, so if you find a car you really like except no sport chrono you can get opc to upgrade the software.
This was email received a while back:
Enhance the performance of your Porsche at the touch of a button
The new Sport mode Tequipment packages, which are available to retro fit on sports cars without the Sport Chrono Package, activate Porsche control systems to intentionally shift towards greater agility and driving performance.
With the ‘Sport’ mode selected, Porsche Stability Management (PSM) interventions take place later than in ‘normal’ mode allowing you to manoeuvre the car with greater agility at its performance limits. For Porsche models equipped with Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK), the ‘Sport Plus’ mode activates a launch control function ensuring maximum acceleration.
Both functions involve remapping the engine management software to increase the torque and performance, however, since these have been exclusively designed and tested by the Porsche engineers at Weissach, your Porsche warranty remains completely unchanged with the fitment of Sport mode or Sport Plus mode at our
Sport mode and Sport Plus mode packages are available for all Boxster, Cayman (Type 987, Generation 1) and 911 (Type 997, Generation 1). The Sport mode and Sport Plus mode retrofit packages do not include the Sport Chrono stop watch.
SPORT mode (manual and PDK vehicles)
Activated using the additional SPORT button on the centre console, Sport mode selects a sportier configuration to the throttle response whilst adjusting the rev limiter to a higher setting. At the same time PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) offers a harder damper setting and more direct steering that gives better road holding. In conjunction with PCM (Porsche Communication Management), the Sport mode function also includes a personal memory for light, wiper, air conditioning and door lock settings.
£695 (inc. VAT and fitment).
SPORT PLUS mode (PDK vehicles only)
In conjunction with PDK, the additional SPORT PLUS button on the centre console activates the ‘Launch Control’ function (racing start), which ensures you achieve the fastest possible rate of acceleration from a standing start.
£899* (inc. VAT and fitment).
Enhance the performance of your Porsche at the touch of a button
The new Sport mode Tequipment packages, which are available to retro fit on sports cars without the Sport Chrono Package, activate Porsche control systems to intentionally shift towards greater agility and driving performance.
With the ‘Sport’ mode selected, Porsche Stability Management (PSM) interventions take place later than in ‘normal’ mode allowing you to manoeuvre the car with greater agility at its performance limits. For Porsche models equipped with Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK), the ‘Sport Plus’ mode activates a launch control function ensuring maximum acceleration.
Both functions involve remapping the engine management software to increase the torque and performance, however, since these have been exclusively designed and tested by the Porsche engineers at Weissach, your Porsche warranty remains completely unchanged with the fitment of Sport mode or Sport Plus mode at our
Sport mode and Sport Plus mode packages are available for all Boxster, Cayman (Type 987, Generation 1) and 911 (Type 997, Generation 1). The Sport mode and Sport Plus mode retrofit packages do not include the Sport Chrono stop watch.
SPORT mode (manual and PDK vehicles)
Activated using the additional SPORT button on the centre console, Sport mode selects a sportier configuration to the throttle response whilst adjusting the rev limiter to a higher setting. At the same time PASM (Porsche Active Suspension Management) offers a harder damper setting and more direct steering that gives better road holding. In conjunction with PCM (Porsche Communication Management), the Sport mode function also includes a personal memory for light, wiper, air conditioning and door lock settings.
£695 (inc. VAT and fitment).
SPORT PLUS mode (PDK vehicles only)
In conjunction with PDK, the additional SPORT PLUS button on the centre console activates the ‘Launch Control’ function (racing start), which ensures you achieve the fastest possible rate of acceleration from a standing start.
£899* (inc. VAT and fitment).
- 911 (Type 997) Turbo model price on request.
Nano2nd said:
Hmm.. Didn't realise it remaps the motor too! More torque and higher rev limit is that right?
Nope just remaps the electronic throttle control, ie less movement of pedal required for same throttle opening giving sharper pedal response.Had a 997s with sport chrono and unless was very wet always had sport on and then had one without sport chrono and really missed it, no more power/torque
but definitely more fun. Plus also gives bit more leeway before safety electronics cut in.
There's NO extra power from either sport or sport plus for NA cars. I also don't believe that it raises the rev limit, at least on my 997.2.
The timer functions are a waste of time but if you have them, use www.chronolyze.com to analyse the recorded data - it's a neat interface with some nice visualisation techniques.
What you do get is increased throttle response. To be honest, the car feels dead to drive without sport mode after some time with it, but it's just a matter of pressing the pedal a bit harder!
If you have PDK then you also get launch control (gimmicky but guaranteed to bring a smile to your face if you find somewhere quiet to use it on a miserable day) and - crucially - a much improved gearbox map.
The gearbox map gives faster gear shifts even in manual mode. I never get bored of the exhaust pop on full-throttle manual upshifts in sport plus mode.
All that said, I'm not 100% convinced that it's a "must have". It's a "really nice to have", so if you won't miss the money then go ahead and add it, but I wouldn't walk away from a car that didn't have it.
Unless you actually spend alot of time driving your car in auto mode. Then it's worth it for the sport mode, but sport plus in auto mode isn't for the road.
Not normal roads anyway
As others have said, the allowed slip angle increases with sport mode, and again with sport plus mode, which I imagine could make it more useful on the track but I haven't had more than a hint of tail-wag in mine since I bought it in February so I can't really comment on that.
edit:
There was a discussion on this a while ago too, because the "Both functions involve remapping the engine management software to increase the torque and performance" part of the blurb does seem misleading:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=102...
Some time in the past few months a knowledgable person posted a proper technical description of what happens to PSM in each of the modes too, including the actual degree of slip allowed (11 degrees in sport?) but I couldn't find it with a quick search.
The timer functions are a waste of time but if you have them, use www.chronolyze.com to analyse the recorded data - it's a neat interface with some nice visualisation techniques.
What you do get is increased throttle response. To be honest, the car feels dead to drive without sport mode after some time with it, but it's just a matter of pressing the pedal a bit harder!
If you have PDK then you also get launch control (gimmicky but guaranteed to bring a smile to your face if you find somewhere quiet to use it on a miserable day) and - crucially - a much improved gearbox map.
The gearbox map gives faster gear shifts even in manual mode. I never get bored of the exhaust pop on full-throttle manual upshifts in sport plus mode.
All that said, I'm not 100% convinced that it's a "must have". It's a "really nice to have", so if you won't miss the money then go ahead and add it, but I wouldn't walk away from a car that didn't have it.
Unless you actually spend alot of time driving your car in auto mode. Then it's worth it for the sport mode, but sport plus in auto mode isn't for the road.
Not normal roads anyway
As others have said, the allowed slip angle increases with sport mode, and again with sport plus mode, which I imagine could make it more useful on the track but I haven't had more than a hint of tail-wag in mine since I bought it in February so I can't really comment on that.
edit:
There was a discussion on this a while ago too, because the "Both functions involve remapping the engine management software to increase the torque and performance" part of the blurb does seem misleading:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=102...
Some time in the past few months a knowledgable person posted a proper technical description of what happens to PSM in each of the modes too, including the actual degree of slip allowed (11 degrees in sport?) but I couldn't find it with a quick search.
Edited by Scelto on Tuesday 25th October 06:34
I wouldnt bother. I didn't have it on my first 997S, and had it on the 2nd one. Was a PINA bcos it felt slow if i didnt have it on, but (for me) the suspension was too hard. So... i would always press the sport button on start-up, and then press another button to turn the sport susp off. So my view is it should just be in sport mode ALL the time (it is after all a Porsche) as standard, and if u want firmer suspension, then a button for that is fine.
For the reasons others have stated, i wouldn't be without it on my 997tt.
hth
N
For the reasons others have stated, i wouldn't be without it on my 997tt.
hth
N
many buyers insist on this option on the Turbo Scelto said:
There's NO extra power from either sport or sport plus for NA cars. I also don't believe that it raises the rev limit, at least on my 997.2.
The timer functions are a waste of time but if you have them, use www.chronolyze.com to analyse the recorded data - it's a neat interface with some nice visualisation techniques.
What you do get is increased throttle response. To be honest, the car feels dead to drive without sport mode after some time with it, but it's just a matter of pressing the pedal a bit harder!
If you have PDK then you also get launch control (gimmicky but guaranteed to bring a smile to your face if you find somewhere quiet to use it on a miserable day) and - crucially - a much improved gearbox map.
The gearbox map gives faster gear shifts even in manual mode. I never get bored of the exhaust pop on full-throttle manual upshifts in sport plus mode.
All that said, I'm not 100% convinced that it's a "must have". It's a "really nice to have", so if you won't miss the money then go ahead and add it, but I wouldn't walk away from a car that didn't have it.
Unless you actually spend alot of time driving your car in auto mode. Then it's worth it for the sport mode, but sport plus in auto mode isn't for the road.
Not normal roads anyway
As others have said, the allowed slip angle increases with sport mode, and again with sport plus mode, which I imagine could make it more useful on the track but I haven't had more than a hint of tail-wag in mine since I bought it in February so I can't really comment on that.
edit:
There was a discussion on this a while ago too, because the "Both functions involve remapping the engine management software to increase the torque and performance" part of the blurb does seem misleading:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=102...
Some time in the past few months a knowledgable person posted a proper technical description of what happens to PSM in each of the modes too, including the actual degree of slip allowed (11 degrees in sport?) but I couldn't find it with a quick search.
makes the pdk cars quickerThe timer functions are a waste of time but if you have them, use www.chronolyze.com to analyse the recorded data - it's a neat interface with some nice visualisation techniques.
What you do get is increased throttle response. To be honest, the car feels dead to drive without sport mode after some time with it, but it's just a matter of pressing the pedal a bit harder!
If you have PDK then you also get launch control (gimmicky but guaranteed to bring a smile to your face if you find somewhere quiet to use it on a miserable day) and - crucially - a much improved gearbox map.
The gearbox map gives faster gear shifts even in manual mode. I never get bored of the exhaust pop on full-throttle manual upshifts in sport plus mode.
All that said, I'm not 100% convinced that it's a "must have". It's a "really nice to have", so if you won't miss the money then go ahead and add it, but I wouldn't walk away from a car that didn't have it.
Unless you actually spend alot of time driving your car in auto mode. Then it's worth it for the sport mode, but sport plus in auto mode isn't for the road.
Not normal roads anyway
As others have said, the allowed slip angle increases with sport mode, and again with sport plus mode, which I imagine could make it more useful on the track but I haven't had more than a hint of tail-wag in mine since I bought it in February so I can't really comment on that.
edit:
There was a discussion on this a while ago too, because the "Both functions involve remapping the engine management software to increase the torque and performance" part of the blurb does seem misleading:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=102...
Some time in the past few months a knowledgable person posted a proper technical description of what happens to PSM in each of the modes too, including the actual degree of slip allowed (11 degrees in sport?) but I couldn't find it with a quick search.
Edited by Scelto on Tuesday 25th October 06:34
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