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alfa phil said:
Thats very nice should think it will go for a pretty penny.
Will be interesting to see. Couple of 40k mile 986.1 3.2 have only achieved £8k plus fees on CC. Not sure if that was my car I'd be flogging it there, doesn't seem to get great results.Expect it will be bought be a trader and re-appear for mega-bucks. Maybe sell for £11-12k on CC and reappear on a trade site for £18k or more a month later.
It's not a million miles from me so I am tempted to bid. Just storage is the issue!
Then again, it might go for £15k-plus in which case I'm less interested. It's possibly too low miles to be a value opportunity.
esotericar said:
Will be interesting to see. Couple of 40k mile 986.1 3.2 have only achieved £8k plus fees on CC. Not sure if that was my car I'd be flogging it there, doesn't seem to get great results.
Expect it will be bought be a trader and re-appear for mega-bucks. Maybe sell for £11-12k on CC and reappear on a trade site for £18k or more a month later.
It's not a million miles from me so I am tempted to bid. Just storage is the issue!
Then again, it might go for £15k-plus in which case I'm less interested. It's possibly too low miles to be a value opportunity.
You never know it might not get much interest. Will you be kicking yourself if you miss it at a reasonable price? You can always get the storage organised after you win it. It wont dissolve if you leave it outside for a couple of days. Come on. You know it makes sense.Expect it will be bought be a trader and re-appear for mega-bucks. Maybe sell for £11-12k on CC and reappear on a trade site for £18k or more a month later.
It's not a million miles from me so I am tempted to bid. Just storage is the issue!
Then again, it might go for £15k-plus in which case I'm less interested. It's possibly too low miles to be a value opportunity.
I lusted after a 986 for many many years. Now I have one I can honestly say I've stopped looking at them. I have so much more free time now.
Planning on going to have a look at it once the auction is live. Hopefully it won't actually be that nice or it'll get bid up into the stratosphere and I won't have to worry about it.
I'd only buy it if I could get it at a price I consider 'cheap'. Not quite worked out what that is but I probably wouldn't go above £10k on it, on the assumption that it probably needs a few thousand £ thrown at it despite the low mileage. All in £12k for a perfect low mile 986 3.2 would be acceptable.
The MOT history implies that whoever owned it wasn't a big spender on proper maintenance. Hardly anyone is, I suppose!
I'd only buy it if I could get it at a price I consider 'cheap'. Not quite worked out what that is but I probably wouldn't go above £10k on it, on the assumption that it probably needs a few thousand £ thrown at it despite the low mileage. All in £12k for a perfect low mile 986 3.2 would be acceptable.
The MOT history implies that whoever owned it wasn't a big spender on proper maintenance. Hardly anyone is, I suppose!
ATM said:
2004 3.2s
6 Speed Manual
58,000 Miles
car was supplied by Mortimer’s Prestige Ltd back in June
£11,995.00
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334566207980
Hidden away in the blurb it says - should you not desire the Veloce upgrade wheels and tyre package currently fitted, the car can be purchased for £10,495 with its original factory 18” Carrera Classic Alloys with excellent part used tyres - that sounds like a much better deal to Me
Still for sale but now reduced by a grand. 6 Speed Manual
58,000 Miles
car was supplied by Mortimer’s Prestige Ltd back in June
£11,995.00
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334566207980
Hidden away in the blurb it says - should you not desire the Veloce upgrade wheels and tyre package currently fitted, the car can be purchased for £10,495 with its original factory 18” Carrera Classic Alloys with excellent part used tyres - that sounds like a much better deal to Me
description said:
Please note the price is stated for the car as shown and outlined. However, should you not desire the Veloce upgrade wheels and tyre package currently fitted, the car can be purchased for £9,495 with its original factory 18” Carrera Classic Alloys with excellent part used tyres … Details available upon request ..
golfer19 said:
Hartech rebuilt at 91k.
Ad is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
Still for sale since 4th OctoberAd is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
£9,999
ATM said:
golfer19 said:
Hartech rebuilt at 91k.
Ad is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
Still for sale since 4th OctoberAd is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
£9,999
GoreyC said:
ATM said:
golfer19 said:
Hartech rebuilt at 91k.
Ad is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
Still for sale since 4th OctoberAd is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
£9,999
But if I was in the market for a 987 3.4l it is this one I would be buying.
Assuming the £9,100 is inc VAT, it won't be a full Hartech build. Even four or five years ago, then you were looking at £12k inclusive. Have a few invoices from friends who have actually had the work done. One of them was actually from 2015, looking at it right now and it came to precisely £12,308.48. That included the full job, plus new AOS, new clutch and a new O2 sensor. The build itself was £9,800 plus VAT, so £11,760. This was just a build to factory capacity / spec.
Also went into quite a bit of detail with Hartech themselves around 2019 / 2020 re costs for a 3.4 rebuild and then also a 3.9 conversion. Definitely £12k inc VAT for the full job staying at 3.4 and a fair chance of more spend if unexpected issues, plus a few 'while you're there' things. Couldn 't find a scored car in the right spec in a reasonable time frame, so didn't pursue in the end.
Should be straight forward to check, but in my experience, an inc VAT bill of £9,100 from Hartech themselves would not be the full job, certainly not within the last four or five years. Either it was something like the block sent to Hartech by another outfit or just one side of the engine done.
Also went into quite a bit of detail with Hartech themselves around 2019 / 2020 re costs for a 3.4 rebuild and then also a 3.9 conversion. Definitely £12k inc VAT for the full job staying at 3.4 and a fair chance of more spend if unexpected issues, plus a few 'while you're there' things. Couldn 't find a scored car in the right spec in a reasonable time frame, so didn't pursue in the end.
Should be straight forward to check, but in my experience, an inc VAT bill of £9,100 from Hartech themselves would not be the full job, certainly not within the last four or five years. Either it was something like the block sent to Hartech by another outfit or just one side of the engine done.
From Hartech's webpage (which also has the following caveat, which I imagine has been added in the last 2 years if not more recently) :
"PRICES ARE CURRENTLY CONSTANTLY BEING REVIEWED AGAINST A BACK-DROP OF FLUCTUATING PARTS PRICES - PLEASE CALL FOR AN UP TO DATE PRICE FOR YOUR VEHICLE (Tel: 01204 302809 - OPTION 1)."
"Common Package Example Prices (Based on a 2006 997 3.8):
ENGINE ONLY (BARE LONG MOTOR WITH ANCILLARIES ALREADY REMOVED)
Rebuild with:
All new high strength aluminium alloy nickel silicon plated closed deck wet liners (all 6 cylinders).
New performance piston set with new rings.
New crank shaft main & thrust bearing set.
New performance big end bearing set.
New timing chain set with new guide rails.
New intermediate shaft bearing. (Assuming already running the late 2005 onwards version with larger bearing).
Basic cylinder head overhauls (strip down, de-coke heads & valves, re-lap valves to seats, skim & re-assemble with new valve stem oil seals).
New lower temperature thermostat.
New spark plugs.
New oil/air separator.
£8200 + VAT"
There's every chance Hartech were supplied with a bare, long engine to work on. Hence why the figure of £9100 with or without VAT in 2019 seems credible.
I suppose Hartech could've lying when they put those figures on their webpage or they've had their website hacked and someone's substituted erroneous figures, but I'm doubtful.
If you've got an invoice in front of you, perhaps you'd be kind enough to blank out any names/addresses along with any vehicle details and show us the breakdown of Hartech's charges. I for one would like to see a "real world" invoice for a rebuild.
I'd contact Kinetic Auto Sales Ltd to establish the exact spec and total price of the build, but I suspect they're unlikely to waste their time sending a scan of the invoice to someone whose not shown serious intent to buy their car.
"PRICES ARE CURRENTLY CONSTANTLY BEING REVIEWED AGAINST A BACK-DROP OF FLUCTUATING PARTS PRICES - PLEASE CALL FOR AN UP TO DATE PRICE FOR YOUR VEHICLE (Tel: 01204 302809 - OPTION 1)."
"Common Package Example Prices (Based on a 2006 997 3.8):
ENGINE ONLY (BARE LONG MOTOR WITH ANCILLARIES ALREADY REMOVED)
Rebuild with:
All new high strength aluminium alloy nickel silicon plated closed deck wet liners (all 6 cylinders).
New performance piston set with new rings.
New crank shaft main & thrust bearing set.
New performance big end bearing set.
New timing chain set with new guide rails.
New intermediate shaft bearing. (Assuming already running the late 2005 onwards version with larger bearing).
Basic cylinder head overhauls (strip down, de-coke heads & valves, re-lap valves to seats, skim & re-assemble with new valve stem oil seals).
New lower temperature thermostat.
New spark plugs.
New oil/air separator.
£8200 + VAT"
There's every chance Hartech were supplied with a bare, long engine to work on. Hence why the figure of £9100 with or without VAT in 2019 seems credible.
I suppose Hartech could've lying when they put those figures on their webpage or they've had their website hacked and someone's substituted erroneous figures, but I'm doubtful.
If you've got an invoice in front of you, perhaps you'd be kind enough to blank out any names/addresses along with any vehicle details and show us the breakdown of Hartech's charges. I for one would like to see a "real world" invoice for a rebuild.
I'd contact Kinetic Auto Sales Ltd to establish the exact spec and total price of the build, but I suspect they're unlikely to waste their time sending a scan of the invoice to someone whose not shown serious intent to buy their car.
ATM said:
GoreyC said:
ATM said:
golfer19 said:
Hartech rebuilt at 91k.
Ad is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
Still for sale since 4th OctoberAd is bit short on detail.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206287...
£9,999
But if I was in the market for a 987 3.4l it is this one I would be buying.
Slippydiff said:
There's every chance Hartech were supplied with a bare, long engine to work on. Hence why the figure of £9100 with or without VAT in 2019 seems credible.
I suppose Hartech could've lying when they put those figures on their webpage or they've had their website hacked and someone's substituted erroneous figures, but I'm doubtful.
If you've got an invoice in front of you, perhaps you'd be kind enough to blank out any names/addresses along with any vehicle details and show us the breakdown of Hartech's charges. I for one would like to see a "real world" invoice for a rebuild.
I'm not going to post other people's invoices. There is no plausible way anyone paid £9,100 inc VAT for a full Hartech build in 2019 unless given a preferential rate. Should you wish to believe otherwise, that's up to you.I suppose Hartech could've lying when they put those figures on their webpage or they've had their website hacked and someone's substituted erroneous figures, but I'm doubtful.
If you've got an invoice in front of you, perhaps you'd be kind enough to blank out any names/addresses along with any vehicle details and show us the breakdown of Hartech's charges. I for one would like to see a "real world" invoice for a rebuild.
If you're really concerned, you can contact Hartech and go through the costs. I've done that. I can quote relevant lines from 2019 when I discussed builds with Grant at Hartech. Re a straight 3.4 build:
"£8500 + VAT assuming there’s no additional work such as snapped bolts/fixings, un-serviceable exhaust clamps etc. Surcharges may apply if you have any unserviceable pistons (scored ones) and exchange pistons are subject to availability."
Re the 3.9 conversion:
"This usually costs £13000 + VAT assuming no additional work such as snapped bolts/fixings, un-serviceable exhaust clamps etc. We would also be keeping your existing pistons & crank shaft as part of the deal."
In reality, sub £12k is very unlikely. But £9,100 is no happening.
Like I said, if you want to think £9,100 including VAT is plausible, that's up tom you. It's not and it wasn't in 2019. Or 2015..
For an alternative point of view, what if the engine and ancillaries were removed by a third party (say a specialist down south) and the actual Hartech rebuild invoice was therefore a bit lower than the £12k your friend spent?
If (when!) it comes to re-do my 3.8 the above would likely be my preferred route.
RiccardoG said:
For an alternative point of view, what if the engine and ancillaries were removed by a third party (say a specialist down south) and the actual Hartech rebuild invoice was therefore a bit lower than the £12k your friend spent?
If (when!) it comes to re-do my 3.8 the above would likely be my preferred route.
Yep, this is one way to save money. My stepfather took out the engine from his 993 and drove it up north on a trailer to the engine guru, saved a couple of grand by doing that I think.If (when!) it comes to re-do my 3.8 the above would likely be my preferred route.
paulguitar said:
Yep, this is one way to save money. My stepfather took out the engine from his 993 and drove it up north on a trailer to the engine guru, saved a couple of grand by doing that I think.
Must be one of the "rarest" stories up there, an owner actually had to take a 993 engine out to somewhere for a fix! 
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