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anonymous said:
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I am (horizontally, natch
) opposed to referring to a flat-something as a vee-anything. and don't get me started on the difference between a boxer configuration versus said horizontally opposed variety of flat-configuration. Had a friendly debate with a fellow care bore on it recently and it was illuminating for both of us, albeit for different reasons Diesel Meister said:
I am (horizontally, natch
) opposed to referring to a flat-something as a vee-anything. and don't get me started on the difference between a boxer configuration versus said horizontally opposed variety of flat-configuration. Had a friendly debate with a fellow care bore on it recently and it was illuminating for both of us, albeit for different reasons 
As you rightly say, there's a big difference between a boxer six and a flattened vee six.Rosewood Red said:
Diesel Meister, what's up with your car? Being a driveway ornament over the the summer and all 
From The Thread (TM):Diesel Meister said:
D00d. How long have you got? hehe
It's a manure-marinated, 100% screen worthy, steaming pile of cliché. Caveat emptor etc.
In the interest of sticking to the understandable (if frustrating at times) PH rules, I'll name no names but it boils down to this:
Naughty dealer will not take back car and return my hard-earned.
Slightly fuller account:
I'm keeping to the socially acceptable path for now and waiting for him to file a defence / fail to contest the claim, although that's likely to take yet more time (this all kicked off late May). Updates as they come... Life is the longest thing any of us will ever do, but it's far too busy and brief for this kind of nonsense.
/steps off soapbox
It's a manure-marinated, 100% screen worthy, steaming pile of cliché. Caveat emptor etc.
In the interest of sticking to the understandable (if frustrating at times) PH rules, I'll name no names but it boils down to this:
Naughty dealer will not take back car and return my hard-earned.
Slightly fuller account:
- Have been after a 986 box for a few months to replace the slowlo (single, no kids = no need for a worthy but dull more-door. Plus I'd bought it for the ex and wanted shot)
- Saw tasty looking 986 2.7 for sale at a dealer north of the border. Looking at their stock (anything interesting, usually German, from £10k-£60k+) assumed it was a trade-in without much margin.
- Decided to take a punt (knowing (a) it'd likely go quickly; and (b) my rights to cancel if anything was not in order, due it being a distance sale) and offered asking price, inclusive of car delivered to Cambs / fresh MOT test pass certificate. Paid deposit.
- When I asked for the VRM to HPI it before paying the balance, dealer supplied his HPI report, which seemed all clear. I was unimpressed but decided to see things through and resolved to investigate further.
- Noted some non-matching stickers (pointed out by another PHer - dealer at least had a bout 100 high-res pix on his website - still up!) listing different VIN.
- I queried (likely replacement frunk-lid) with dealer ("any accident damage?"). Dealer surprised but adamant car "not bumped".
- Transferred balance a few days later (to a personal account, no less), car delivered on time but a little dirty and crucially without promised MOT
- Growing scepticism about dealer forestalled by need to trek down to the smoke for a familial engagement. Took the box. Seemed to drive ok if a bit jiggly.
- As my spidey sense began to tingle more insistently, I asked a friendly contact in the trade to HPI it (another PHer wink ), came back as a Cat D write off in 2002 (at three years old, so likely a bit of a big one even if not structural)
- Given my crystallising scepticism / annoyance with dealer, decided to reject the car and seek a refund, knowing that this was unlikely to be welcomed but assuming that being a trader he would understand that I had a statutory right to do so, notwithstanding breach of contract (no MOT) and failure to disclose insurance history (any incompetence / dishonesty aside, the car was not as described).
- I emailed to offer two options (a) sizeable discount in final settlement; (b) full refund with car returned at his expense (as per applicable consumer legislation). No response within requested time frame (a few working days)
- I was ignored / hung up on by him and colleagues each time I called (3-4 times over about a week).
- Finally he emails me to say he's "not inclined" to refund / give a discount, alongside some other suitably inane and yet condescending remarks (reinforcing the impression that I'm dealing with a special kind of idiot determined to tarnish the collective reputation of all motor traders)
- I write a letter before action notifying him of my intention to bring a claim if he fails to observe my statutory right to repudiate the contract. * * No response in requested time frame (a week).
- Couple of weeks later, I collate all relevant docs that detail the particulars, serve and issue a small claim for purchase price plus costs and statutory interest (by now, with interest, he's looking at a bill of around 120% of the original purchase price, assuming my costs are awarded in full, which is likely).
- Latest is that he's emailed me to claim he didn't own the car and I need to name his employer in the claim (plus some more fatuous and irrelevant posturing / condescension, including implying that he's had claims made against him / his employer before and had them set aside...). He offers me a derisory £1k to settle.
- I respond to make clear that (a) I'm happy to add his alleged employer to my claim, along with cost of making the change (£100); and (b) I do not accept his offer. I make a counter offer, consisting of three simple options (i) a sizeable payment in settlement (to cover costs incurred / lower value of car, which I would keep / sell myself); (ii) an even larger payment (small discount on claimed amount, but he avoids a judgement plus enforcement costs) to settle - he gets the car; or (iii) I continue to pursue the claim, aka "See you in court, buddy."
- He basically tells me to foxtrot oscar. All in open correspondence.
- As of now, currently awaiting a hearing date. Might have to go to Carlisle!
I'm keeping to the socially acceptable path for now and waiting for him to file a defence / fail to contest the claim, although that's likely to take yet more time (this all kicked off late May). Updates as they come... Life is the longest thing any of us will ever do, but it's far too busy and brief for this kind of nonsense.
/steps off soapbox
Diesel Meister said:
Rosewood Red said:
Diesel Meister, what's up with your car? Being a driveway ornament over the the summer and all
From The Thread (TM):Diesel Meister said:
D00d. How long have you got? hehe
It's a manure-marinated, 100% screen worthy, steaming pile of cliché. Caveat emptor etc.
In the interest of sticking to the understandable (if frustrating at times) PH rules, I'll name no names but it boils down to this:
Naughty dealer will not take back car and return my hard-earned.
/steps off soapbox
It's a manure-marinated, 100% screen worthy, steaming pile of cliché. Caveat emptor etc.
In the interest of sticking to the understandable (if frustrating at times) PH rules, I'll name no names but it boils down to this:
Naughty dealer will not take back car and return my hard-earned.
/steps off soapbox
'Search Google for "It's a manure-marinated, 100% screen worthy, steaming pile of cliché. Caveat emptor etc."' got me to the thread; need to do some more reading as it piqued my interest. I'm sorry to hear of your woes, DM, and hope things work out.
Edit: Crickey mfmman, that's cheap. Using the my knackered 986 as a learning curve to decide whether to graduate to a 996 in the future, but that price has me tempted. Thankfully I don't have the money to blow. Which is good - what's better than one knackered Porsche? Two...
Edit: Crickey mfmman, that's cheap. Using the my knackered 986 as a learning curve to decide whether to graduate to a 996 in the future, but that price has me tempted. Thankfully I don't have the money to blow. Which is good - what's better than one knackered Porsche? Two...
Edited by Rosewood Red on Thursday 27th October 21:12
ooid said:
About £2.5m gap actually If the Boxster automatically imbued the owner with Rohrl-like driving skills, you might arguably shrink the value gap to £10!. Great car though the 986 is, I'm not sure it reaches that level!
P.S. Is that pix from the official hard-back book on the Boxster? cmoose generously entrusted his copy to me but I haven't had the time / heart to read it yet, mainly due to current woes with mine
Its a different price bracket to this thread but seriously looking at sorting out the NJH fleet once and for all, down sizing it and buying a 987.2S boxster. Recently down to £22K with a 4 grand or so gap to comparable Caymans for a car the likes of which we will never see again. Like I did with the 944 S2 the idea will be to get into another car type for the next 10 years or so.
I know its a Cmoose line but I can't help but think that when one looks at the crazy money going on old clunkers (including old clunker Porsches) one can buy a barely run in few year old 300+ Bhp Porsche that still has the sound and feel we all love for not much over £20k.
I know its a Cmoose line but I can't help but think that when one looks at the crazy money going on old clunkers (including old clunker Porsches) one can buy a barely run in few year old 300+ Bhp Porsche that still has the sound and feel we all love for not much over £20k.
Diesel Meister said:
Rosewood Red said:
Diesel Meister, what's up with your car? Being a driveway ornament over the the summer and all
From The Thread (TM):Diesel Meister said:
D00d. How long have you got? hehe
It's a manure-marinated, 100% screen worthy, steaming pile of cliché. Caveat emptor etc.
In the interest of sticking to the understandable (if frustrating at times) PH rules, I'll name no names but it boils down to this:
Naughty dealer will not take back car and return my hard-earned.
Slightly fuller account:
I'm keeping to the socially acceptable path for now and waiting for him to file a defence / fail to contest the claim, although that's likely to take yet more time (this all kicked off late May). Updates as they come... Life is the longest thing any of us will ever do, but it's far too busy and brief for this kind of nonsense.
/steps off soapbox
It's a manure-marinated, 100% screen worthy, steaming pile of cliché. Caveat emptor etc.
In the interest of sticking to the understandable (if frustrating at times) PH rules, I'll name no names but it boils down to this:
Naughty dealer will not take back car and return my hard-earned.
Slightly fuller account:
- Have been after a 986 box for a few months to replace the slowlo (single, no kids = no need for a worthy but dull more-door. Plus I'd bought it for the ex and wanted shot)
- Saw tasty looking 986 2.7 for sale at a dealer north of the border. Looking at their stock (anything interesting, usually German, from £10k-£60k+) assumed it was a trade-in without much margin.
- Decided to take a punt (knowing (a) it'd likely go quickly; and (b) my rights to cancel if anything was not in order, due it being a distance sale) and offered asking price, inclusive of car delivered to Cambs / fresh MOT test pass certificate. Paid deposit.
- When I asked for the VRM to HPI it before paying the balance, dealer supplied his HPI report, which seemed all clear. I was unimpressed but decided to see things through and resolved to investigate further.
- Noted some non-matching stickers (pointed out by another PHer - dealer at least had a bout 100 high-res pix on his website - still up!) listing different VIN.
- I queried (likely replacement frunk-lid) with dealer ("any accident damage?"). Dealer surprised but adamant car "not bumped".
- Transferred balance a few days later (to a personal account, no less), car delivered on time but a little dirty and crucially without promised MOT
- Growing scepticism about dealer forestalled by need to trek down to the smoke for a familial engagement. Took the box. Seemed to drive ok if a bit jiggly.
- As my spidey sense began to tingle more insistently, I asked a friendly contact in the trade to HPI it (another PHer wink ), came back as a Cat D write off in 2002 (at three years old, so likely a bit of a big one even if not structural)
- Given my crystallising scepticism / annoyance with dealer, decided to reject the car and seek a refund, knowing that this was unlikely to be welcomed but assuming that being a trader he would understand that I had a statutory right to do so, notwithstanding breach of contract (no MOT) and failure to disclose insurance history (any incompetence / dishonesty aside, the car was not as described).
- I emailed to offer two options (a) sizeable discount in final settlement; (b) full refund with car returned at his expense (as per applicable consumer legislation). No response within requested time frame (a few working days)
- I was ignored / hung up on by him and colleagues each time I called (3-4 times over about a week).
- Finally he emails me to say he's "not inclined" to refund / give a discount, alongside some other suitably inane and yet condescending remarks (reinforcing the impression that I'm dealing with a special kind of idiot determined to tarnish the collective reputation of all motor traders)
- I write a letter before action notifying him of my intention to bring a claim if he fails to observe my statutory right to repudiate the contract. * * No response in requested time frame (a week).
- Couple of weeks later, I collate all relevant docs that detail the particulars, serve and issue a small claim for purchase price plus costs and statutory interest (by now, with interest, he's looking at a bill of around 120% of the original purchase price, assuming my costs are awarded in full, which is likely).
- Latest is that he's emailed me to claim he didn't own the car and I need to name his employer in the claim (plus some more fatuous and irrelevant posturing / condescension, including implying that he's had claims made against him / his employer before and had them set aside...). He offers me a derisory £1k to settle.
- I respond to make clear that (a) I'm happy to add his alleged employer to my claim, along with cost of making the change (£100); and (b) I do not accept his offer. I make a counter offer, consisting of three simple options (i) a sizeable payment in settlement (to cover costs incurred / lower value of car, which I would keep / sell myself); (ii) an even larger payment (small discount on claimed amount, but he avoids a judgement plus enforcement costs) to settle - he gets the car; or (iii) I continue to pursue the claim, aka "See you in court, buddy."
- He basically tells me to foxtrot oscar. All in open correspondence.
- As of now, currently awaiting a hearing date. Might have to go to Carlisle!
I'm keeping to the socially acceptable path for now and waiting for him to file a defence / fail to contest the claim, although that's likely to take yet more time (this all kicked off late May). Updates as they come... Life is the longest thing any of us will ever do, but it's far too busy and brief for this kind of nonsense.
/steps off soapbox
tty stick you have been given.Hope you get a good outcome and the dealer gets his just deserts, what a load of grief and time to deal with it all.
It'd take a brave person to bid on this but I think it'll go really cheap.
https://auctions.partmart.co.uk/vehicle-list/detai...
https://auctions.partmart.co.uk/vehicle-list/detai...
Escy said:
It'd take a brave person to bid on this but I think it'll go really cheap.
https://auctions.partmart.co.uk/vehicle-list/detai...
Don't look particularly well looked after looking at its MOT History.https://auctions.partmart.co.uk/vehicle-list/detai...
tr7v8 said:
Escy said:
It'd take a brave person to bid on this but I think it'll go really cheap.
https://auctions.partmart.co.uk/vehicle-list/detai...
Don't look particularly well looked after looking at its MOT History.https://auctions.partmart.co.uk/vehicle-list/detai...
Too much hassle that one. Looks like it needs a respray (£1,000-£1,500), the alloy wheels refurbed (£300) and by the time you've done all that you've still got a 155,000 mile car with no MOT.
Edited by daemon on Sunday 30th October 16:16
Uber-retro official Porsche Boxster Owner's video from 90s 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohyOA6DwcLo
Apparently a welcome video tape given to new Boxster owners back in 1997 - 1999. (2.5 lt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohyOA6DwcLo
Apparently a welcome video tape given to new Boxster owners back in 1997 - 1999. (2.5 lt)
Thoughts on this 3.2?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Cat C so obviously kinda risky.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Cat C so obviously kinda risky.
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