I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[ferrisbueller]

The car posted earlier Link

2002 52
3.2 S Manual
86k miles

Ended at £5,000.



Owner stated an £8,500 valuation from the POC.

[Baked_bean]

Hi guys,
I am looking at taking my first step into Porsche ownership...I have viewed the below car and am almost ready to buy. What is everyone’s thoughts? I know it is toppuy but the car is immaculate in the flesh and the clutch, RMS and a few other bits were all done in the past 25k.

I am also a sucker for the red leather dash etc.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...

[dimots]

Baked_bean said:

Hi guys,
I am looking at taking my first step into Porsche ownership...I have viewed the below car and am almost ready to buy. What is everyone’s thoughts? I know it is toppuy but the car is immaculate in the flesh and the clutch, RMS and a few other bits were all done in the past 25k.

I am also a sucker for the red leather dash etc.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...

Don’t obsess over price. Buy on condition and check obvious consumables like tyres and brakes for quality and wear. Looks decent from the ad but IRL is obviously v different.

[was8v]

ferrisbueller said:

Ended at £5,000.

Thats insane value. Why would anyone with £5k buy anything else.

[Patrick Bateman]

was8v said:

Thats insane value. Why would anyone with £5k buy anything else.

Running costs.

[ferrisbueller]

2001 Y
3.2 S Manual
56k

£6,900

Link

[Baked_bean]

dimots said:

Don’t obsess over price. Buy on condition and check obvious consumables like tyres and brakes for quality and wear. Looks decent from the ad but IRL is obviously v different.

Thanks, in real life it is really lovely....recent p zero tyres, pads etc.
Might just go for it!

[edc]

Baked_bean said:

dimots said:

Don’t obsess over price. Buy on condition and check obvious consumables like tyres and brakes for quality and wear. Looks decent from the ad but IRL is obviously v different.

Thanks, in real life it is really lovely....recent p zero tyres, pads etc.
Might just go for it!

Please do some reading. Go on boxa.net Read the long term owner member rides it running reports. The car advertised looks very tidy on the surface but the real money is underneath. Get a feeling for what goes wrong when and how much it costs.

[Baked_bean]

edc said:

Please do some reading. Go on boxa.net Read the long term owner member rides it running reports. The car advertised looks very tidy on the surface but the real money is underneath. Get a feeling for what goes wrong when and how much it costs.

Thanks but it is comments like this that scare me. I am fairly well versed and don’t expect it to be cheap to run, my only real concern is the IMS but I don’t know if that is hyperbole or not?

[edc]

My point is that car photographs really well and looks enticing and shiny. But ultimately it's still a 80k plus 15+year old Boxster so all the common wear items apply. Having had 2 Boxsters over the past 6.5 years the really good ones are rare to find. I don't mean to scare it out people off but it's unlikely to be a car you just buy and drive for 2 years doing an oil change then selling on. If you are enthusiast oriented and want good to excellent rather than perfection then you will still likely spend £1-2k per year for the first 2 years.

[Baked_bean]

edc said:

My point is that car photographs really well and looks enticing and shiny. But ultimately it's still a 80k plus 15+year old Boxster so all the common wear items apply. Having had 2 Boxsters over the past 6.5 years the really good ones are rare to find. I don't mean to scare it out people off but it's unlikely to be a car you just buy and drive for 2 years doing an oil change then selling on. If you are enthusiast oriented and want good to excellent rather than perfection then you will still likely spend £1-2k per year for the first 2 years.

I appreciate that, it is something I have factored in. It has A file of work carried out etc but I imagine it won’t be cheap!

[Rosewood Red]

Expenditure in my ownership over 18 months.

1. Date Dealer Service / Work Completed Cost Mileage

46. 09/10/2016 Euro Car Parts Brembo front brake pads, Pagid wear indicators £58.78 -
47. 15/10/2016 Montague Motor Eng. Labour for #46 £30.00 113,700
48. 18/10/2016 Cath Burrows Full inspection and report - long to-do list ☺ £108.00 113,888
49. 21/10/2016 Shell Shell Helix Ultra 5w40 1l (Porsche A40 approved) - noticed low level whilst refuelling, likely due to oil filter removal during above inspection £17.99 114,101
50. 25/10/2016 Euro Car Parts Bosch ABS sensor, OE radiator fan resistor, RARB bushes £155.76 -
51. 25/10/2016 Montague Motor Eng. Brake fluid change £35.00 114,304
52. 05/11/2016 Camskill (tyres) / Event Tyres (fitting) 2 x 265 35 R18Y XL Uniroyal Rainsport 3 (rears) £246.78 114,390
53. 14/11/2016 B&B Components 2 x TRW tie / track rod ends 2 x Meyle "coffin arms", 2 x Meyle "tuning forks" £383.94 -
54. 12/01/2017 Euro Car Parts OE front springs £137.85 -
55. 18/01/2017 Montague Motor Eng. Labour for #50, 53 and 54 £240.00 115,103
56. 20/01/2017 eBay.de New OE keyhead £101.00 -
57. 21/01/2017 Nigel Langs Garage Geometry read out / adjustments, front wheels balanced £95.40 115,135
58. 21/01/2017 Porsche Bolton Oddments tray hinge repair kit, sunvisor assembly screw £27.26 -
59. 15/02/2017 Cath Burrows Rear coffin arms, tie bars, nuts, bolts, geometry, xenon level sensor droplink, power steering line support clip, radiator fan resistor (#50) fitted £736.16 115,363
60. 24/02/2017 Euro Car Parts Bosch S4 008 battery + lifetime warranty £95.99 115,516
61. 28/03/2017 Cath Burrows Clutch, DMF, RMS, IMSB inspection, bank 1 cam tensioner, oil, oil filter, renew exhaust clamps / fittings, gearbox oil, front xenon droplink / bracket, code keyhead, handbrake adjustment £1,628.02 115,955
62. 26/04/2017 Cath Burrows Spark plugs, Plug tube, air filter, roof tension cables £168.55 116,499
63. 30/04/2017 Private Used RARB / bushes from 2.5 being broken for spares - paid in cash £40.00 Circa 116,700
64. 03/05/2017 1st Choice Autoglaze OEM front windscreen (insurance excess only) £70.00 116,808
66. 16/06/2017 Cath Burrows Used backbox (£150 from Douglas Valley) and fitting (£75) - paid in cash, no invoice £225.00 Circa 118,450
67. 04/07/2017 iMotorist MOT £35.00 118,944
68. 22/07/2017 Halfords 2 x 225 40 R18Y Uniroyal Rainsport 3 (fronts) £157.98 119,291
69. 27/10/2017 Protyre Southport Reseal OSR tyre £20.00 -
70. 27/11/2017 Tubzilla (BoXa.net) Used ashtray (to butcher for locking mech.) £13.00 -
71. 24/02/2018 Porsche Bolton Headlamp removal wrench (999 571 076 02), early keyhead badge (944 538 443 00) £19.74 -
72. 01/04/2018 CoolpartsUK (eBay) 2 x A/C condensers £95.00 123,806
73. 01/04/2018 Porsche Wilmslow 4 x condenser o-rings, 2 x drier o-rings £23.78 123,806
74. 28/02/2018 eBay Pagid rear caliper pin kit (Pagid pn: 107 33 0038 / K0166) £10.00 -
75. 01/03/2018 CarParts4Less Padid rear wear indicators £17.38 -
76. 04/03/2018 Euro Car Parts Pagid rear discs, Brembo rear pads, Hella A/C drier £135.64 -
77. 13/04/2018 Cath Burrows 12,000 mile service. Both A/C pipes under car replaced, new o-rings, system re-gassed £759.71 124,052

Total £5,963.95

And then it got written off.

An extreme example, perhaps, but food for thought. Came with 13k worth of invoices for previous work carried out too.

[ferrisbueller]

Good info. Trying to quickly skim through (bit of an eye test on a phone screen)

About £1.5k of that looks like tyres, MOT, brakes and routine service which you'd get on any car.

These seem like normal Boxster/996 type bills (Just a question of whether they occur in your tenure):
Circa £1k suspension
Circa £1k clutch/DMF
Circa £500 air con condensors/pipes/gas.

Are those ball park figures about right? I guess these are the invoices that need to be looked for when buying, along with an understanding of life expectancy of each (trickier given their variance with use but typical durations can be gleaned from these threads I guess).

[edc]

The list could go on of course but if not already done you'd be well to budget for water pump and expansion tank, ignition switch and a window regulator.

[Rosewood Red]

Ferris, formatting is lost when posting on PH, unfortunately. Much easier to read on Boxa.net.

I'd say
Clutch + flywheel = 1k
Suspension arms all round = 1.5k
Air con if not working = 150 - 700 depending on what's wrong
If I still had it and it and we were in 2019, I'd also have considered dampers all round at circa 600 plus fitting.

Edited by Rosewood Red on Saturday 26th May 13:50

[Baked_bean]

Thanks for the helpful information guys.

The car had clutch flywheel etc done 25k ago and a few switches etc. Not entirely sure on the other parts to be honest but will look again.
Service not and brakes were done in the past few weeks.

Thanks

[ooid]

Rosewood Red said:

Expenditure in my ownership over 18 months.
?
Total??? £5,963.95

And then it got written off.

An extreme example, perhaps, but food for thought. Came with 13k worth of invoices for previous work carried out too.

986 is probably the most expensive hobby anyone can have in the longer term! As I mentioned on boxa, you were very lucky to escape that accident though. I was probably a bit luckier (or not?) in the 6 years of ownership, got away with a 5k worth of partial engine rebuild and slight mods, nothing else.

Looking at a big picture, a TVR Tuscan with a new engine, might be a more special drive/toy around 20-25k

[Rosewood Red]

Baked_bean said:

Thanks for the helpful information guys.

The car had clutch flywheel etc done 25k ago and a few switches etc. Not entirely sure on the other parts to be honest but will look again.
Service not and brakes were done in the past few weeks.

Thanks

TBH, I'd say that's overpriced by a good £700 or so.

Just because there are cars out there advertised at, shall we say optimistic, prices, doesn't mean they're selling.

Also, you'd ideally want to check the alignment. It may not need suspension arms per se (but would be beneficial at those miles, if they've not been done), but the eccentric bolts on the rear axle can seize up causing all sorts of bother.

[Baked_bean]

Rosewood Red said:

TBH, I'd say that's overpriced by a good £700 or so.

Just because there are cars out there advertised at, shall we say optimistic, prices, doesn't mean they're selling.

Also, you'd ideally want to check the alignment. It may not need suspension arms per se (but would be beneficial at those miles, if they've not been done), but the eccentric bolts on the rear axle can seize up causing all sorts of bother.

Fair enough, it looks lovely but there are some unknowns with it. I will dwell over the weekend and bite the bullet either way.

[LordGrover]

Meh. Can't expect 100% guarantees and reliability at this age and price point.
Get it done and live to regret or love it.