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Thanks folks! I would also add: Prepare to flex the spec a little and make sure your list of 'essentials' is realistic to your budget! On paper this car only ticked a few of my requirements but I soon realised I could flex on colour and model year (97/98...would I really notice a cable throttle?)
Happy hunting, I think now is the best of times to bag a pork, good early 986 are climbing, 987 2.7 are criminally cheap at 3-4k less than a comparable croc and the 996 aesthetics have mellowed and come of age...
Happy hunting, I think now is the best of times to bag a pork, good early 986 are climbing, 987 2.7 are criminally cheap at 3-4k less than a comparable croc and the 996 aesthetics have mellowed and come of age...
ATM said:
As I've said before if you lurkers out there want some cheap pork then you need to go look at a few at least. If you find a nice one you might even end up buying it. If you never go and look at any then I'd guess you'll never buy anything.
I did this 6 years ago, I figured I was never going to get such an iconic car so cheap again so I went to look at a few.Saw 3 misdescribed cars, with things wrong that would need fixing and the sellers would not drop. E.g. I specifically asked on one car if the windows dropped on door opening and the aircon worked before travelling 3 hours by train to see it. When I got there neither worked....and the seller would not drop what I estimated the fix cost would be.
Knew I had to make an offer on mine as it far outstripped the others, even though it was also slightly misdescribed (knocking front suspension, alignment out), but we did the deal and I drove home in it.
If you are buying at this end of the market be prepared to travel to see a few and expect a few dogs. There will be a jewel (rough diamond) worth buying though! Same as buying any car really.
Now were are on the topic of 996's...
I am at a crossroads with my Boxster. had it 3.5 years which is a long time for me. Worth very little, aesthetically bit tired but mechanically fabulous, done stacks of work on it. My daily is a nice fast powerful practical saloon car.
I have a little lad now, and I cannot currently take him out in it - no isofix, airbag cannot be deactivated without the porsche parts and programming etc, its not impossible but there are barriers.
I have been quite tempted to trade the Boxster in for a Mk3 MX5 - I've had a bunch of MX5s, it will be loads of fun, cheap to run, lots of easy and cheap mods to do, and it has isofix and airbag switch as standard. Also much better for track days than the Boxster.
My alternative option, is a 911. I missed the boat on cheap Series 1 Elise years ago, still bitter as I'll probably never own one. That is where 996s are currently. Part of me thinks I should just do it. I know the maintenance requirements, it shouldn't be much different to the Boxster.
The main thing I will miss if getting the roof off - only once since I was 17 have I not owned some sort of soft top, and I told myself never again.
Should I do it? I know everyone claims they do, but in reality, can you really run about with kids in the back of a 996?
What about even buying a 996 Cabrio? Are they THAT bad? Floppier than a Boxster? Are the Cabrio back seats smaller?
I am at a crossroads with my Boxster. had it 3.5 years which is a long time for me. Worth very little, aesthetically bit tired but mechanically fabulous, done stacks of work on it. My daily is a nice fast powerful practical saloon car.
I have a little lad now, and I cannot currently take him out in it - no isofix, airbag cannot be deactivated without the porsche parts and programming etc, its not impossible but there are barriers.
I have been quite tempted to trade the Boxster in for a Mk3 MX5 - I've had a bunch of MX5s, it will be loads of fun, cheap to run, lots of easy and cheap mods to do, and it has isofix and airbag switch as standard. Also much better for track days than the Boxster.
My alternative option, is a 911. I missed the boat on cheap Series 1 Elise years ago, still bitter as I'll probably never own one. That is where 996s are currently. Part of me thinks I should just do it. I know the maintenance requirements, it shouldn't be much different to the Boxster.
The main thing I will miss if getting the roof off - only once since I was 17 have I not owned some sort of soft top, and I told myself never again.
Should I do it? I know everyone claims they do, but in reality, can you really run about with kids in the back of a 996?
What about even buying a 996 Cabrio? Are they THAT bad? Floppier than a Boxster? Are the Cabrio back seats smaller?
I have a 996 and kids in the back work fine. I'm talking booster seat not full on child seat. We did the booster seat with back rest for a while. I bought the cheapest one they sell in halfords after I read somewhere it fits well and it is a perfect fit.
You can even do 3 adults if that gives you an idea. I've even done 4 adults but not very far. My little one prefers it in the front of my 996 so I tend to do that nowadays. I dont even know if it has an air bag in the passenger side. There is no signage for it. I know it has no side air bags because I've had the door panel off.
You can even do 3 adults if that gives you an idea. I've even done 4 adults but not very far. My little one prefers it in the front of my 996 so I tend to do that nowadays. I dont even know if it has an air bag in the passenger side. There is no signage for it. I know it has no side air bags because I've had the door panel off.
I think the very earliest 996 didn't have door airbags
My MY99 does.
I thought they all had dash airbags.... maybe not. Mine has the airbag logo on the dash as well as the doors.
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I take my 2yo in the back of my 996 coupe, on a halfords essentials 123 car seat as always recommended. It sits a little too upright for long journeys and his head flops forwards when sleeping which isn't great as the seat doesn't recline.
I don't sit him in the front because of the airbag thing. Shame because he can't see out as much in the back with the seat in the way.
OP just get a 996 cab, you won't notice any flop its still a very stiff car. Or just keep the Boxster if it's just the two of you going for a ride.
My MY99 does.
I thought they all had dash airbags.... maybe not. Mine has the airbag logo on the dash as well as the doors.
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I take my 2yo in the back of my 996 coupe, on a halfords essentials 123 car seat as always recommended. It sits a little too upright for long journeys and his head flops forwards when sleeping which isn't great as the seat doesn't recline.
I don't sit him in the front because of the airbag thing. Shame because he can't see out as much in the back with the seat in the way.
OP just get a 996 cab, you won't notice any flop its still a very stiff car. Or just keep the Boxster if it's just the two of you going for a ride.
You can deactivate the passenger airbag with the following part from Porsche: 996-803-083-02
And here's the Pelican walk-through on how to do it: https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-...
With the cab you will lose some rear seat space - that's because sandwiched between the bulkhead and the back of the seats is the roll over hoop unit which (when it detects that the car is on it's way to inverted) fires two roll-over hoops out of the oval hatches behind each seat.
I've not measured it, but the angle of the seat backs is at least 90 degrees to horizontal - possibly more. I've been considering removing the rear seats entirely and creating a luggage bin, but I've not yet done so.
In terms of the cab itself I really like mine - it is of course less stiff than it's coupe sibling, but it's stiffer than a 964 coupe, and you won't find people queuing up to rubbish how those go down the road.
Happy for you to take mine for a spin if you are near London, but you will either need to be ~6'2" or have a booster cushion:
And here's the Pelican walk-through on how to do it: https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/Porsche-...
With the cab you will lose some rear seat space - that's because sandwiched between the bulkhead and the back of the seats is the roll over hoop unit which (when it detects that the car is on it's way to inverted) fires two roll-over hoops out of the oval hatches behind each seat.
I've not measured it, but the angle of the seat backs is at least 90 degrees to horizontal - possibly more. I've been considering removing the rear seats entirely and creating a luggage bin, but I've not yet done so.
In terms of the cab itself I really like mine - it is of course less stiff than it's coupe sibling, but it's stiffer than a 964 coupe, and you won't find people queuing up to rubbish how those go down the road.
Happy for you to take mine for a spin if you are near London, but you will either need to be ~6'2" or have a booster cushion:
Difficult to predict if the 996 boat will sale, until the supply/demand needle sways to the right. Currently there is a healthy supply so balanced with the demand for a typical 996. Low mile desirable spec are in shorter supply so will always be able to take advantage and get top dollar.
Obviously the fear of immense bill v value of car will keep demand in check until the 996 value rises and the cost of repairs falls as a percentage of the car's value.
Probably.
I recently bought a C2 because any further price hikes and I would soon be priced out.
Obviously the fear of immense bill v value of car will keep demand in check until the 996 value rises and the cost of repairs falls as a percentage of the car's value.
Probably.
I recently bought a C2 because any further price hikes and I would soon be priced out.
Escy said:
Are we sure the prices for 996 and 986 are on the up? I think they are going the other way recently.
I'm watching the market closely. I had thought that 996 cab/tip/targa/savannah horrors were falling but manual coupe holding up, but of the last few weeks I'm not so sure.People can ask what they like, but actual sales prices are less visible, I see a lot of cars getting listed repeatedly.
I wonder what the part ex looks like for those cars that end up going through BCA and onto 'no reserve cars Reading' on ebay, presumably the fictious part ex is built on the equally fictious sticker price. If someone offloading a 996 to trade just wanted to sell it I reckon they'd be bid right in the nuts.
It amazes me that traders will touch them.
Boxters - I'm not so sure, but good grief, that is one heck of a sportscar for the cost of a fortnight in Magaluf.
Edited by Huntsman on Wednesday 24th July 14:16
snotrag said:
I know everyone claims they do, but in reality, can you really run about with kids in the back of a 996?
What about even buying a 996 Cabrio? Are they THAT bad? Floppier than a Boxster? Are the Cabrio back seats smaller?
Never been a fan of 911 cabs but if you want 4 seats & no roof then it's a good option.What about even buying a 996 Cabrio? Are they THAT bad? Floppier than a Boxster? Are the Cabrio back seats smaller?
My 2 kids have fitted in my coupe for the last 10yrs, they grumble now theyr'e both lanky teenagers but can still squeeze in.
I understand there is less room in a cab than a coupe or the seats are more upright or something?
There is a cab with a Hartech 3.7 on one of the Pork threads on here, maybe worth a look.
I bought mine at a price I could afford, I wasn't prepared to wait it out and see if in another year I could have bought it cheaper, I am not really interested in the possibility of an 'investment' because I don't see it as that. The only way I have made hobby-money out of vehicles was to buy cheap, sort them and flip as quick as possible. This approach has been good to me however with the power of hindsight there are bikes I could potentially made more money holding on to (RS250 NX5, Ducati 999R, NSR250 MC28) however without the capital they released I wouldn't have progressed and sampled even more cool toys!
If you want and can afford a 911 buy one, there won't be another one after the 996 with a similar depreciation profile allowing you to jump in the seat of a combustion engine 911 for £10k (or less)
If you want and can afford a 911 buy one, there won't be another one after the 996 with a similar depreciation profile allowing you to jump in the seat of a combustion engine 911 for £10k (or less)
Huntsman said:
It amazes me that traders will touch them.
Me too, if you can't bore scope a 3.6 I can't imagine touching one.A specialist might take one in trade in I assume they bore scope them.
But they must get them very cheap.
At auction I don't think they go cheap enough for traders, private punters must be buying them....?
A 3.4 or a GT3 / turbo would be safeish, you could weigh that up pretty well just by hearing it start and run and a quick look round like most cars.
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