I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[LordHaveMurci]

2Btoo said:

Thanks guys, I'm learning here. It's helpful.

Given that this is a poverty pork thread then I think I'm allowed to ask this question ....

Was there a C4 and a C4S?

Likewise, was there a C2 and a C2S?

(Comments about Tiptronic S gearboxes aside - thanks Snotrag for your good explanation)

Obviously the difference between the 2 and the 4 is 2WD vs 4WD. Did the 'S' denote more power, as the 'S' does in Cayman 987 vs. Cayman 987 S?

What was wrong with the C4? It's not the powerful one, fair enough. And that example had the Tip gearbox, which wasn't great. But (I think) I've heard people rave about the C2 - was the C4 a lot worse? If so then why?

996 there was a C4 which you spec with Tiptronic S auto box, there was also a C4S which was turbo bodied without the halfords holes in the rear wings, also had turbo derived brakes & suspension but no extra power.

Many, myself included, don't see the point of the C4, adds weight & dilutes if even slightly the steering & handling without adding much, with the weight distribution 911's have plenty of traction even in RWD guise! Some people seem to like the extra confidence C4 gives them. It's always looked to me like many C4's are also Tip which isn't surprising I guess.

No C2S in 996, only 997. 997 was offered as 3.6 or 3.8 S -both available as C2 or C4 I believe, did C4S still have turbo wide body though?

Edited by LordHaveMurci on Wednesday 18th December 13:05

Edited by LordHaveMurci on Wednesday 18th December 13:29

[Chris Stott]

I'd rather have a manual C4 than a tip C2.

[LordHaveMurci]

Chris Stott said:

I'd rather have a manual C4 than a tip C2.

I think most of us would to be honest.

[ATM]

Some state side modders buy the C4S and remove the 4wd or front wheel drive parts. Similarly some people buy the 996TT and remove the 4wd or front wheel drive parts and create their own widow maker.

I have a plain simple 996 C2 and I have never once thought it needs 4wd or more grip.

The C4 was bought by people who probably didnt even try or drive the C2. They just bought a C4. The older 911 from 1970 may be a bit loose so the C4 was added to the range for the lesser drivers and then it just stayed I guess.

C2 means 2wd.

C4 means 4wd.

C4S means different body, brakes and suspension.

Edited by ATM on Wednesday 18th December 13:45

Edited by ATM on Wednesday 18th December 15:10

[2Btoo]

Thanks LordHaveMurci and ATM - very helpful.

[skinny]

I have driven both c2 and c4 and can't tell much difference. Probably more difference in a worn out car to one with a suspension refresh!
Steering a little lighter on the C2 was my overriding memory.
Some say the steering is 'purer' on the C2, some say the extra weight in the front of the C4 stops the bobbing.

C2 is certainly more "fashionable" which means the 4 can be a bargain. C4S however is probably best looking of the carrera's tho

[ATM]

Are you gonna buy a 996 next Moo - come on lad.

[2Btoo]

anonymous said:

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Gosh - genuine surprise here! The engine note on my 987 2.7 Cayman is (to my ears) utterly delicious. Admittedly it's the first car I have owned that has not been an inline 4 but I thought that the noises of the 987 were one of the (many) things about it that drew much praise.

[2Btoo]

Actually, that's not true. I had a 2CV once, and that had an air-cooled flat twin. So I have owned cars that weren't I4 before ....

[2Btoo]

If you're ever in London then you're welcome to remind yourself what one sounds like ... your assistance in my choosing one has been appreciated and you'd be welcome to take it for a spin!

(There may be small issues with finding enough empty road to goad the engine sufficiently to make the nice noise but that's another matter).

[ATM]

I didn't know Hartech had a 3.9 demo.

[ooid]

A handsome, but auto 944. Fairly low miles if genuine...

Estimated Sale Price / Auction: £4000 - 4750



https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/porsche-944-198...

[2Btoo]

ooid said:

A handsome, but auto 944. Fairly low miles if genuine...

Estimated Sale Price / Auction: £4000 - 4750



https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/porsche-944-198...

I know that car. The bodywork is nice but it hasn't been used seriously for a while and doesn't run well. Probably not hard to fix but an early auto 944 needs everything going for it, which that one doesn't quite have.

anonymous said:

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[roca1976]

cmoose - You could create a 996.2 C2S by dropping out the front drive shafts. As long as everything is reversible to oem you could create a cool bespoke fast road / track car with GT3 buckets.

[Deebo007]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2002-Porsche-Boxster-3-...

This could be a decent buy for someone with the time to get it fixed?

[2Btoo]

Hmmm, not at that price. Something tells me that it could cost quite a lot to get that one straight. The seller could be right when he says that the engine is worth the money alone but older cars like this are often worth less than the sum of the parts.

'Screen, bonnet (plus paint), wing won't give a lot of change from a grand if done well.

Leak, nondescript ECU problem, brakes, suspension refresh - could be another grand in parts alone.

You'd want to be very sure of what you got yourself into before putting cash down for it.

Sub - £1.5k? Maybe.

Sub - £1k? Perhaps.

£2800? No thanks.

(Others will disagree. I'm just a miserable old git.)

[ferrisbueller]

ooid said:

A handsome, but auto 944. Fairly low miles if genuine...

Estimated Sale Price / Auction: £4000 - 4750



https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/porsche-944-198...

I don't think I've ever sat in a 924/944 pre S2. They all seem to have enjoyed some increase in values over the last few years. Don't seem to be thread favourites.

[Fast Bug]

I really like the 924/944/968 line up, they're good fun to drive even if some of them aren't the quickest

[ooid]

Fast Bug said:

I really like the 924/944/968 line up, they're good fun to drive even if some of them aren't the quickest

I somehow never liked them except 968 and 928, obviously. My dad's friend had a 928 from now when I was a teen, even though it was a good example never gave the air-cooled 911 effect on me. Later I've found out they are actually quite reliable bunch comparing to modern Porsche, many people seem to use them up to 200-250k miles without any trouble. There was an old lady near me in Clerkenwell, London, she was driving quite an old 924 around, pretty knackered look but always running mode with a loud exhaust...

[2Btoo]

ooid said:

Later I've found out they are actually quite reliable bunch comparing to modern Porsche, many people seem to use them up to 200-250k miles without any trouble.

My old 944 S2 has 213k on the clocks and did run like an utter peach. She's laid up now (thanks to the ULEZ in Central London) but will come out again when she's 40 years old. The 987 2.7 Cayman I bought 6 months ago is the replacement. It's thirstier, slower and the parts are a load more expensive.

Which would I rather be driving when I have to go somewhere? The 944. Easily.