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The discussion is "987.1C with Hartech 3.9. Or 987.2C 3.4 OEM." as always been...
Gents,-personally- I'm really bored of poverty pork due diligence for myself. It used to be fun I must admit but now I even started to lose my "knackered 964" fund + project prospect and thinking of getting a seriously bullet-proof 4-seater V8 in the price range of mid 20k and drive it until it is totally became illegal on the road..
Welcome to the One-car garage decade
Gents,-personally- I'm really bored of poverty pork due diligence for myself. It used to be fun I must admit but now I even started to lose my "knackered 964" fund + project prospect and thinking of getting a seriously bullet-proof 4-seater V8 in the price range of mid 20k and drive it until it is totally became illegal on the road..
Welcome to the One-car garage decade
2Btoo said:
Escy said:
He said source a gen 2 with no issues and sent it for a rebuild. I'm guessing that's more than a 15k car to start with.
In fairness, I think he's suggesting a Gen2 car and sending it for an engine swap. There would be value in the engine that was removed so he would get some money back there. However your overall point is one that's been puzzling me too; I can see the logic in buying a scored Gen1 and rebuilding it (via Hartech or elsewhere) to something bigger and beefier but not if you are starting with a Gen2 car. And getting a (bigger, more reliable) Gen2 engine to work in a Gen1 car is a lot of work, as has been said. (Which is a shame, because this would be a good idea otherwise). There is a PH'er on here who did something similar with a new 981 and a 991 3.8 engine. The engines are all basically the same so should be interchangeable if you source one from the same generation.
A capacity increase on a 987.1 Cayman S entails a whole load of extra grief than just the engine and mapping. Getting the thing to cool properly is your major challenge if you intend to use it on track (oh, and the other M97 oiling issues that you would want to look at).
In order to get my 3.7 to run cool enough for extended track use I have ended up with a full GT3 centre-radiator set up inc. ducting, a 997 oil/water heat exchanger, an external oil cooler with ducting and fan-pack mounted to the rear subframe, underdrive engine pulley and low-temp thermostat.
To make it reliable on track I have also added the TTP oilsafe head scavenge pumps to both banks and the full X51 deep baffled sump.
Bottom line, this has created a fantastic engine, with 981 GT4 levels of performance, however it is still an M97 with its inherent design flaws. To do this makes absolutely no financial sense whatsoever (just ask me !). Yes, it's been an interesting project, and even though a lot of the pain had been taken prior to my purchase, I have still ended up spending multiples of the car's actual value.
The much better starting point would be a Cayman R and leave the engine alone ! This will give you 90% of the performance in a package that may actually go up in value over time due to the small numbers made. Put on some bigger brakes, snazzy shocks, nice exhaust and take out some weight (keeping all the original bits to put back on for sale time) and you've got a fantastic car.
Alternatively spend 997 GT3 money on a car that will never be worth anything, is way beyond the point where it could ever be returned to stock and would be almost impossible to sell !
In order to get my 3.7 to run cool enough for extended track use I have ended up with a full GT3 centre-radiator set up inc. ducting, a 997 oil/water heat exchanger, an external oil cooler with ducting and fan-pack mounted to the rear subframe, underdrive engine pulley and low-temp thermostat.
To make it reliable on track I have also added the TTP oilsafe head scavenge pumps to both banks and the full X51 deep baffled sump.
Bottom line, this has created a fantastic engine, with 981 GT4 levels of performance, however it is still an M97 with its inherent design flaws. To do this makes absolutely no financial sense whatsoever (just ask me !). Yes, it's been an interesting project, and even though a lot of the pain had been taken prior to my purchase, I have still ended up spending multiples of the car's actual value.
The much better starting point would be a Cayman R and leave the engine alone ! This will give you 90% of the performance in a package that may actually go up in value over time due to the small numbers made. Put on some bigger brakes, snazzy shocks, nice exhaust and take out some weight (keeping all the original bits to put back on for sale time) and you've got a fantastic car.
Alternatively spend 997 GT3 money on a car that will never be worth anything, is way beyond the point where it could ever be returned to stock and would be almost impossible to sell !
Surely you want an overdrive pulley to increase coolant circulationJamie summed up really well. It is unfortunately quite expensive to keep them on a good spec with their inherent flaws, makes you think twice about the time and resources you invest.
But again, looking at Gary's beautiful thread(72 911T) on readers cars, you would also ideally need a Phd on "welding" to keep a classic 911, air-cooled in good shape.
If anyone do not mind Tip, this "S" might go below 2.5K...not bad.
https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/porsche-boxster...
But again, looking at Gary's beautiful thread(72 911T) on readers cars, you would also ideally need a Phd on "welding" to keep a classic 911, air-cooled in good shape.
If anyone do not mind Tip, this "S" might go below 2.5K...not bad.
https://www.swva.co.uk/classic-car/porsche-boxster...
I agree with Jamie on reliability for mod cars on track.
You need better cooling.
I think the 3rd centre radiator is a good idea and so is the baffled sump if the car will see track time but then the track car will also need better brakes.
But as a road going car, I am interested if the engine revs strongly to redline. The recent GT Porsche issue talks about the 3.9 rebuild but no one has commented on how the engine performs.
You need better cooling.
I think the 3rd centre radiator is a good idea and so is the baffled sump if the car will see track time but then the track car will also need better brakes.
But as a road going car, I am interested if the engine revs strongly to redline. The recent GT Porsche issue talks about the 3.9 rebuild but no one has commented on how the engine performs.
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I keep thinking about trying track days because our roads now are so heavily congested and / or policed. I've driven over the snake pass before just for kicks and come straight back the other way. Ideally at 6am ish on a sunday morning when its empty. Also the cat and fiddle. But now they have average speed cameras so places like this are becoming harder to find. They are still much better than a track but I understand there are higher risks going quicker on a public road The thing is I'm scared that I'll enjoy track driving too much and it will lead to my financial downfall. So thus far I have avoided the temptation.
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I've not found any good roads where I live now. I have had a couple of sighting trips just looking for roads which could be interesting in the last few months and both times spotted a camera van parked up. They were both weekends. The last trip I had up towards Scotch Corner on the A1 I got off and went for a nosey around Yorkshire - not sure where - and saw 2 camera vans in 25 minutes. Both could have been tickets if you ask me but they weren't. Again this was on a Sunday. Very worrying.Where I used to live I had some great roads on my doorstep and I think I got spoilt. I used to go for drives for fun. Not any more. I've kind of lost my mojo a bit and dont remember the last good drive I've had.
If people spend 15k on a 3.9 Hartech engine rebuild I wonder if there would be a viable market for an engine swap for Boxster/Cayman. I think we can all agree it's a brilliant chassis and most can probably agree the engine is the weak point.
If there was an option of a similar capacity V6 which required no chassis cutting to install, was naturally aspirated, offered a 30bhp upgrade over the 295bhp the 3.4 offers and could be had as a drive in (probably on a flatbed) drive out service for say 12k, would it be a goer? (I'd assume not)
If there was an option of a similar capacity V6 which required no chassis cutting to install, was naturally aspirated, offered a 30bhp upgrade over the 295bhp the 3.4 offers and could be had as a drive in (probably on a flatbed) drive out service for say 12k, would it be a goer? (I'd assume not)
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Fully understand if you are disinclined to share but as a Bath resident as well what have you devised as a fun local loop.I tend to take the A420 towards Chippenham and then back through Corsham. The A420 is fine but the route back through Corsham is too busy. Tried back via Bannerdown but that is too much of a B road for me and too bumpy.
Going out the other way the A431 Kelston Road is fine, a few too many villages, but then back on the Bristol to Bath road is too obvious.
Not one for going terrifically fast overall but a few zippy corners are entertaining as long as the road is quiet.
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