I've just bought some poverty Pork…
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ATM said:
Let's get involved in a new thread ....
I'VE JUST BOUGHT SOME RACE PREPARED POVERTY PORK
Financial suicide and bravery! -before I got executed here again I'VE JUST BOUGHT SOME RACE PREPARED POVERTY PORK
In addition to Jamie's comments on m97, they can't be super reliable on the race for regular track use - occasional, would be fine.- I do not know how many of you guys realized, but even during "Porsche Classic Retroracing Championship" in the last two years,a good number of 986's suffered engine failure. They were all properly prepared by OPC technicians. I do remember seeing Bournemouth car, actually had a massive oil-leak and technicians did not know what to do, during preps. I think Hatfield's 986 also suffered engine failure.
I did used Toyota Evora and Elise too on a track last year - proper amateur- seriously biggest fun and could not care less about ownership problems by renting...
2Btoo said:
andy97 said:
If I was interested in track days I would look at hiring a Caterham 7 with an instructor and trying that. You can then buy an ex race 7 more cheaply than often imagined. I bought a Caterham Graduates Race 7 for £8850 and it is cheap as chips to run and immense fun. And worth more than I paid for it now (road legal, V5 and a couple of mods). At the very least, it won’t depreciate.
Keep the Boxster/Cayman/996 etc for road trips.
Posts like this send me straight to Google to look for ex-race Caterhams. And that's not good. Keep the Boxster/Cayman/996 etc for road trips.
Stop it please Andy. There's a good boy.
https://www.cgrc.uk/forsale.asp
Edited by andy97 on Wednesday 22 January 23:37
Bullet-Proof_Biscuit said:
The period Audi NA & turbo V6s bolt up to the 911 & Cayman gearboxes and engine mounts can be had, just a bit of wiring.
You make it sound like a piece of piss. 
anonymous said:
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I think the centre of gravity point is marketing fluff, a flat 6 is nice for packaging and it's part of their heritage but the crank is heavy it's sat in the middle of the crankcase on a flat 6, at a guess the crank sits 8-10 inches lower in my 986 with an Audi V6 bi-turbo, the whole engine and gearbox package sits lower in my car. It's negligible and certainly not something you notice in the handling, my car handles like any other Boxster. As for value, I think my engine choice opens it up to markets that wouldn't normally consider a Boxster, I can't see a 450bhp mid engine Porsche being a tough sell when the time comes.
N/A vs turbo power delivery is a matter of personal preference, I prefer the drama of old school turbo power delivery, when you get that sudden surge than pins you in the seat.
Everyone is different, I'd consider buying an 8k car and spending 15k on an engine rebuild and ending up with a 30bhp and 40ft/lb gain at the end of it to be bordering on insanity.
ooid said:
ATM said:
Let's get involved in a new thread ....
I'VE JUST BOUGHT SOME RACE PREPARED POVERTY PORK
Financial suicide and bravery! -before I got executed here again I'VE JUST BOUGHT SOME RACE PREPARED POVERTY PORK
In addition to Jamie's comments on m97, they can't be super reliable on the race for regular track use - occasional, would be fine.- I do not know how many of you guys realized, but even during "Porsche Classic Retroracing Championship" in the last two years,a good number of 986's suffered engine failure. They were all properly prepared by OPC technicians. I do remember seeing Bournemouth car, actually had a massive oil-leak and technicians did not know what to do, during preps. I think Hatfield's 986 also suffered engine failure.
I did used Toyota Evora and Elise too on a track last year - proper amateur- seriously biggest fun and could not care less about ownership problems by renting...
This year, they will be sending off to private owners, so no more OPC prepared cars, I think. Cynic in me say, they realized how expensive even for them to prepare and maintain!! 
Last year mini summary;
https://www.dicklovett.co.uk/porsche/news/the-fina...
More info here, you can contact them;
https://www.porscheclubgb.com/news-and-events/news...
Last year mini summary;
https://www.dicklovett.co.uk/porsche/news/the-fina...
More info here, you can contact them;
https://www.porscheclubgb.com/news-and-events/news...
Escy said:
Sorry, I didn't realise you know more about the car I built than I do, thanks for putting me straight. I feel like a right prat know.
In fairness, some pictures and details would help. I think if I drop the centre line of the gearbox on my 996 by 10 inches I'll be the proud owner of a plough.ferrisbueller said:
Escy said:
Sorry, I didn't realise you know more about the car I built than I do, thanks for putting me straight. I feel like a right prat know.
In fairness, some pictures and details would help. I think if I drop the centre line of the gearbox on my 996 by 10 inches I'll be the proud owner of a plough.10s later.
anonymous said:
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If someone can measure from the crank bolt to the undertray I'll measure mine to compare. Not that it matters, you already seem to know it drives like a total pig anyway. It must do because its got a pair of 30kg cylinder heads sitting 10 inches higher than before.
andy97 said:
Patrick Bateman said:
There's a greatness about roof down motoring that's hard to quantify.
Certainly miss it when you no longer have it that's for sure.
I will stick to racing my Caterham in the fresh air, and driving on the road in an enclosed car. In a way it’s a shame as I would like to experience the Boxster dynamics and Caymans just aren’t cheap enough for me to justify at the moment.Certainly miss it when you no longer have it that's for sure.
jakesmith said:
That place strikes me as very straight. You can buy a car there for a cheap price and it will likely need a load of work doing and be covered in imperfections
That’s a million times more honest that most places and or people who will sell you a similar vehicle for the highest possible price.
It’s not for me but you can’t fault their approach
I’ve had about 10 cars from these so far descriptions are accurate & they are ok to deal with. That’s a million times more honest that most places and or people who will sell you a similar vehicle for the highest possible price.
It’s not for me but you can’t fault their approach
Had 2 issues so far one was Range Rover Sport that when I arrived to collect had suspension & handbrake issues (as I had got train they showed me what else they had around same price & I brought home a Jaguar XF instead)
The other issue was head gasket went on way home in Focus ST ( I was nearly home 200 miles away) so they issued refund & collected car on low loader (out of pocket for train tickets)
Edited by kippax on Thursday 23 January 13:35
Escy said:
anonymous said:
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If someone can measure from the crank bolt to the undertray I'll measure mine to compare. Not that it matters, you already seem to know it drives like a total pig anyway. It must do because its got a pair of 30kg cylinder heads sitting 10 inches higher than before.
anonymous said:
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I don't think you considered the possibility my engine isn't mounted in a perfectly horizontal plane, it's angled. The error on my end was referring to the crank as a whole rather than saying the front of my crank as that was the bit I was referring to and probably not as much as 8 inches (I often say 8 when I mean 6 
). The point remains that the way the engine is mounted in the chassis offsets some of the potential negatives of the cylinder heads being higher. It's not like I bolted the engine in the original gearbox position and everything is higher as a result. You can see in this picture how close the crank pulley is to the bottom of the engine. 
There is about 10mm between the sump and the undertray.
Edited by Escy on Thursday 23 January 11:24
ferrisbueller said:
As you probably know, one of the big criticisms of LSx conversions is the negative impact on handling of having that weight in the "wrong" place.
Is this a criticism by owners and drivers of LSx conversions or by armchair experts? I'm in a Facebook group for owners of Porsches with engine swaps and don't see any talk of this.
anonymous said:
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I followed that, too. Buying a knackered one is the way to go IMO.anonymous said:
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I looked at just this scenario in the context of 996s. The benefit, not least the confidence, of the pre-emptive rebuild, or the forced change, is demonstrably worth whatever Hartech charge. The added value of capacity increase was worth it to me based on it giving numerous positives and being a differentiating factor which added value. I think stock 300bhp is enough, but the torque is very attractive. I added in the cost of suspension, seats, wheels and the like and the total came up to well under what specialists are asking for off the shelf packages for what, on paper, would be great. However, my own car wasn't the right donor, being too valuable on the one hand and having various things on it which already took it part way down the road, but in the wrong direction. The killer for me was the realised and residual value.I am not, thus far, enough of a Porsche fan to commit to one as a long term solution and so I would absolutely be in significant negative equity, not somewhere I ever knowingly place myself. There is clearly a market for such things but the market doesn't see the value in the package relative to the cost of assembly. Baz's own 996 C4S was on the market when I was looking in 2018 and it was not much more expensive than a none rebuilt car. In hindsight. that might have been one to jump on. It therefore becomes a labour of love because it's exactly what you want and you're going to keep it but you end up with more money in it than it is worth today, or perhaps ever would be. That's the point at which I pulled the plug, but it's a very personal choice.
LordHaveMurci said:
I don’t think Steve Rance could be called an ‘armchair expert’ but crack on.
I asked the question as i've noticed the internet is full of people with opinions who often don't have the first hand experience to back them up. I don't know who he is but I assume he doesn't like it. For the record if it was a Renegade car i'm not convinced on them (or any other V8) myself. Escy said:
LordHaveMurci said:
I don’t think Steve Rance could be called an ‘armchair expert’ but crack on.
I asked the question as i've noticed the internet is full of people with opinions who often don't have the first hand experience to back them up. I don't know who he is but I assume he doesn't like it. For the record if it was a Renegade car i'm not convinced on them (or any other V8) myself. His wasn't the only opinion I read. There were several others. I'm just saying what other "informed" people have said, which was enough to eliminate an LSx conversion from my list of possible works (On a Porsche at least).
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