I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[ATM]

dai1983 said:

rufusgti said:

I wasn't aware of any of that. That's a massive tick in the box if that's the case. So why don't the clutches need changing, no clutch? Sorry for the lack of knowledge.
That would free up running funds for things like suspension and chassis tweaks and maintenance. The 996 is becoming more appealing every day for me.

The Tip box looks to have a torque convertor which is full of oil and transmits drive from the engine to the gearbox so there is no clutch at all. Usually autos are more relaxing to drive in heavy traffic but are slower and less fuel efficient than manuals. You also have to change the oil and they have solenoids etc than can break. No idea of the common tip faults but think I've read here that the tip cars are more likely to bore score.

Yes no clutch. Some modern auto boxes have something called clutch packs but a good old fashioned auto - like the tip - does not. It will have a torque converter which is in place of the clutch - but the main difference between an old auto like this and a basic manual - which could make it a better bet - still not sure - is that the oil is pumped round. In a basic manual the oil just sloshes round. Some of the GT cars have an oil cooler on the manual boxes so they probably have a pump but the basic manuals do not. Generally older autos like this on other cars will last a long time if their fluid is kept fresh and therefore changed reasonably often. They should definitely last longer than the clutch on a manual box. If I had not experienced gearbox failure on my manual 996 I wouldn't even be talking about the Tip as being any kind of option.

[was8v]

ATM said:

Surely a 996 with the tip box and regular fluid changes could be the thinking, working, economically minded man's daily driver 996.

Can't imagine anything worse, the 996 driving experience neutered by a tiptronic. That glorious getrag mechanical shift is a massive part of the experience.

Plus the tiptronic 3.6 scores bores the fastest, the tip sets off in 2nd gear, requiring high torque therefore high piston loading therefore more heat at the cylinder wall therefore faster degradation of the piston coating resulting in bore score.

[ATM]

was8v said:

ATM said:

Surely a 996 with the tip box and regular fluid changes could be the thinking, working, economically minded man's daily driver 996.

Can't imagine anything worse, the 996 driving experience neutered by a tiptronic. That glorious getrag mechanical shift is a massive part of the experience.

Plus the tiptronic 3.6 scores bores the fastest, the tip sets off in 2nd gear, requiring high torque therefore high piston loading therefore more heat at the cylinder wall therefore faster degradation of the piston coating resulting in bore score.

I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just confused. Why would it set off in 2nd if there is a 1st gear there?

[gizlaroc]

ATM said:

I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just confused. Why would it set off in 2nd if there is a 1st gear there?

Most autos do set off in 2nd unless in sport mode.

[Roundm]

I think the 2nd gear pull away is to smooth the takeoff on light throttle. Its pretty commonplace on high powered autos (a lot to Mercedes do it as well) as the throttle sensitivity in 1st can be quite violent. - and after all the tip box is a Mercedes design

[rufusgti]

ATM said:

3 day auction

Could be a cheap car

Its well used which is reassuring - seat looks a bit worn though

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/153829134408

5 minutes left and 11k. Seems good value to me.

[ATM]

rufusgti said:

ATM said:

3 day auction

Could be a cheap car

Its well used which is reassuring - seat looks a bit worn though

https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/153829134408

5 minutes left and 11k. Seems good value to me.

It has sold 3 times prior to this and then been relisted everytime.

[Escy]

I assume a shill bidder is providing the reserve on it, it's a bad look when it keeps getting relisted.

[Andyoz]

Not exactly poverty but this has turned up near me. I spotted a few 986's on holidays and they are growing in me l.

This one's got alot of options and excellent service history (McMillans is excellent). I bet it could be had for well under £5k

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/17595478...

[ATM]

Andyoz said:

Not exactly poverty but this has turned up near me. I spotted a few 986's on holidays and they are growing in me l.

This one's got alot of options and excellent service history (McMillans is excellent). I bet it could be had for well under £5k

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/17595478...

That is poverty and looks right if you ask me. Unfortunate that it's in Ireland though.

[Andyoz]

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

Not exactly poverty but this has turned up near me. I spotted a few 986's on holidays and they are growing in me l.

This one's got alot of options and excellent service history (McMillans is excellent). I bet it could be had for well under £5k

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/17595478...

That is poverty and looks right if you ask me. Unfortunate that it's in Ireland though.

Yeah, near me ...

It's only 2 owner and was sold by OPC in 2013 (so first owner had it 13 years and OPC liked the look of it). The leather interior bits must lift it nicely (an interior that's getting retro cool IMO).

Only negative is those rims tend to rust and are expensive to fix

[ATM]

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

Not exactly poverty but this has turned up near me. I spotted a few 986's on holidays and they are growing in me l.

This one's got alot of options and excellent service history (McMillans is excellent). I bet it could be had for well under £5k

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/17595478...

That is poverty and looks right if you ask me. Unfortunate that it's in Ireland though.

Yeah, near me ...

It's only 2 owner and was sold by OPC in 2013 (so first owner had it 13 years and OPC liked the look of it). The leather interior bits must lift it nicely (an interior that's getting retro cool IMO).

Only negative is those rims tend to rust and are expensive to fix

If you're half interested in buying one then buy it. Wheels are the easiest thing to change. Car looks great. Ad reads well. Buy.

[Andyoz]

One thing I've noticed (and like) is that there is alot less 'orange' in the headlights, indicators and tail lights compared to many I see....first photo below.

It doesn't seem to relate to the 2002 facelift so not sure why some cars are clear and others orange like the one in second photo below.

[80sMatchbox]

I would guess that it's mainly due to people updating them to clear lenses to make it look a bit more modern.

I like Amber's, though some cars do look quite smart with the clear lenses.

[Chris Stott]

Ambers look great on dark blue and black cars. Not so good on silver/red/yellow.

[ATM]

Andyoz said:

One thing I've noticed (and like) is that there is alot less 'orange' in the headlights, indicators and tail lights compared to many I see....first photo below.

It doesn't seem to relate to the 2002 facelift so not sure why some cars are clear and others orange like the one in second photo below.

They switched from amber to clear - not sure when - and then they did the 2002 facelift after that. This car isn't a facelift car.

[Andyoz]

Chris Stott said:

Ambers look great on dark blue and black cars. Not so good on silver/red/yellow.

Agreed!

[edc]

First cobalt/zenith car has Litronics and the ocean/lapis blue one the standard halogens too.

[Andyoz]

Only slightly weird thing that owner mentioned is that when the clutch was done at 65k, the IMS was replaced with an OEM one and not an upgraded one. This would definitely be a single row IMS engine right, i.e. the one with the higher potential failure rate?

Its got all service history apparently so I'll dig deeper

Apart from IMS is a gearbox fail the only other thing that could economically write this thing off?

I'll try to check it out early this week - if only to confirm in my mind that a 986 might be my softtop option to pair up with the Cayman. I really like the simple lines of the 986 Vs 987 Boxster.

[Andyoz]

anonymous said:

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So that means the indicators and tail lights have been switched at some stage?