I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[Andyoz]

anonymous said:

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Is that red one your current one?
Anything special you notice about this one looking at the spec codes/photos?

If I was in England, I'd maybe search out a red or even yellow one. Limited ones to chose from here but the more I quiz the owner I sense this one might be a good example.

The fact that an OPC took it in as part-ex at 13 years old (I assume) and chose to sell it on their forecourt suggests it was fully loaded and in good condition.

[pete.g]

Andy - I bought a 2000 MY 986 2.7 in November, with a similar background - OPC Belfast supplied, one long term owner and second owner for a few years.

It has been great so far and having owned 987 CS, 981 C and 981 CGTS, I'm enjoying the smaller-engined Boxster a great deal. It goes really well and sounds fantastic.

I'd thoroughly recommend buying one and this looks great, with some good options like heated seats.

[Andyoz]

pete.g said:

Andy - I bought a 2000 MY 986 2.7 in November, with a similar background - OPC Belfast supplied, one long term owner and second owner for a few years.

It has been great so far and having owned 987 CS, 981 C and 981 CGTS, I'm enjoying the smaller-engined Boxster a great deal. It goes really well and sounds fantastic.

I'd thoroughly recommend buying one and this looks great, with some good options like heated seats.

Great feedback - any photos of yours?

First owner was a doctor (apparently) and he appears to have thrown the kitchen sink at it in terms of options when he spec'd it.

My only issue is garage space ATM.

[pete.g]

Andyoz said:

pete.g said:

Andy - I bought a 2000 MY 986 2.7 in November, with a similar background - OPC Belfast supplied, one long term owner and second owner for a few years.

It has been great so far and having owned 987 CS, 981 C and 981 CGTS, I'm enjoying the smaller-engined Boxster a great deal. It goes really well and sounds fantastic.

I'd thoroughly recommend buying one and this looks great, with some good options like heated seats.

Great feedback - any photos of yours?

First owner was a doctor (apparently) and he appears to have thrown the kitchen sink at it in terms of options when he spec'd it.

My only issue is garage space ATM.

This is a photo from the OPC - I haven't taken any of my own! It's Lapis with the ambers and I think it looks great - clears are a bit aftermarket looking imo.

It's got a fairly basic spec, which suits me fine, though I do have heated seat envy for that one you're looking at.

As we say in Norn Iron, you'll be a long time dead - so just buy it.

[jakesmith]

pete.g said:

This is a photo from the OPC - I haven't taken any of my own! It's Lapis with the ambers and I think it looks great - clears are a bit aftermarket looking imo.

It's got a fairly basic spec, which suits me fine, though I do have heated seat envy for that one you're looking at.

As we say in Norn Iron, you'll be a long time dead - so just buy it.

Heated seats is an easy retrofit as long as you don’t mind having a button hidden in the plastic of the seat base rather than the oem buttons which require additional electronics and wiring.

I did this in my R8 as OEM retrofit is not as good and cost £2k! I did it myself In my 986.

They’re a must for me in a convertible and as I’ve aged I need them in all my cars as I get back ache without them for some reason.

If you want some advice on how to retrofit them let me know it’s not difficult and costs well under £100.

[pete.g]

jakesmith said:

pete.g said:

This is a photo from the OPC - I haven't taken any of my own! It's Lapis with the ambers and I think it looks great - clears are a bit aftermarket looking imo.

It's got a fairly basic spec, which suits me fine, though I do have heated seat envy for that one you're looking at.

As we say in Norn Iron, you'll be a long time dead - so just buy it.

Heated seats is an easy retrofit as long as you don’t mind having a button hidden in the plastic of the seat base rather than the oem buttons which require additional electronics and wiring.

I did this in my R8 as OEM retrofit is not as good and cost £2k! I did it myself In my 986.

They’re a must for me in a convertible and as I’ve aged I need them in all my cars as I get back ache without them for some reason.

If you want some advice on how to retrofit them let me know it’s not difficult and costs well under £100.

That would be great - please PM me with details.

I have always specified them in my daily drivers for the same reasons as you.

I had thought of trying to get the looms and switches from a breaker as a wee project, but if there's an easier route, I'd be happy to consider it.

Thank you - good to be part of a thread where we're discussing, advising and helping rather than the usual!

[edc]

Andyoz said:

Only slightly weird thing that owner mentioned is that when the clutch was done at 65k, the IMS was replaced with an OEM one and not an upgraded one. This would definitely be a single row IMS engine right, i.e. the one with the higher potential failure rate?

Its got all service history apparently so I'll dig deeper

Apart from IMS is a gearbox fail the only other thing that could economically write this thing off?

I'll try to check it out early this week - if only to confirm in my mind that a 986 might be my softtop option to pair up with the Cayman. I really like the simple lines of the 986 Vs 987 Boxster.

Nothing weird about that at all. If the car was serviced at OPC all they would fit is original parts. There are now a fair few aftermarket 'upgrade' IMS bearings and kits. I even had it done on my current car in 2013, but back then almost as many people were using for example the Pelican kit which is basically an OE bearing.

[ATM]

Andyoz said:

My only issue is garage space ATM.

Don't let that stop you just park it outside. These cars don't have to live in a garage.

[Andyoz]

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

My only issue is garage space ATM.

Don't let that stop you just park it outside. These cars don't have to live in a garage.

Something not adding up 100% about this seller.

He runs a Porsche used spare parts business on the side from another location...will still check it out even just to drive one.

[ATM]

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

My only issue is garage space ATM.

Don't let that stop you just park it outside. These cars don't have to live in a garage.

Something not adding up 100% about this seller.

He runs a Porsche used spare parts business on the side from another location...will still check it out even just to drive one.

If he has indeed owned it for many years then it feels as safe or as risky as any other 2nd hand private car purchase. Dont want to upset any Irish border relations but I assume there will be a v5 type document showing current and previous owners. Ask to see that before you go maybe. I dont want to sound like an arrogant prick with 2 Porsches but 5 grand still looks cheap to me. Especially with extended cow on the dash and doors.

[Andyoz]

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

My only issue is garage space ATM.

Don't let that stop you just park it outside. These cars don't have to live in a garage.

Something not adding up 100% about this seller.

He runs a Porsche used spare parts business on the side from another location...will still check it out even just to drive one.

If he has indeed owned it for many years then it feels as safe or as risky as any other 2nd hand private car purchase. Dont want to upset any Irish border relations but I assume there will be a v5 type document showing current and previous owners. Ask to see that before you go maybe. I dont want to sound like an arrogant prick with 2 Porsches but 5 grand still looks cheap to me. Especially with extended cow on the dash and doors.

Yes, there will be a V5 etc.
The only thing NI lacks is the online MOT history check database (which is so useful)

I've just got the full story and it's genuine Porsche spare parts business he runs (he's not a dealer). Turns out I know another Cayman owner that's dealt with him and he's a good contact to have. NI is a small place so nowhere to hide here. I'll have time midweek to shoot up for a look/meet. I might come back with an aftermarket exhaust for my Cayman instead

I had been toying with buying newer MUCH more expensive Porsche's but I think the fun Porsche ownership these days are owning a couple of cars at the bottom of their depreciation curve (as long as they aren't badly maintained dogs).

I'd like to do some basic spanner work myself so buying something with miles (well maintained) gets any thought of resale out of my head. At this sort of price, they are semi-disposable items if an engine or gearbox grenades itself.

987.1 Caymans are nearly in the same boat too. So one of those and a 986 Boxster seem to give the best of both worlds in terms of driving fun. Interesting times to be owning non-classic £££ old Porsches anyway.

Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 16th February 09:57

[edc]

The price/value/dynamics proposition of the 986 is so good it's why I'm on my second. Like many owners who can afford much more whether be it a toy or daily, the ownership proposition and dynamic is much more different than a brand new or much more expensive car. Not that you won't care per se, but you can drive it with relative abandon knowing that in the grand scheme of things it is actually cheap. Ok it's not banger cheap but most neighbours will have a more expensive car or one that was more expensive and has lost a load of money. You won't get rich owning a 986 but the overall cost is quite favourable.

[jakesmith]

pete.g said:

That would be great - please PM me with details.

I have always specified them in my daily drivers for the same reasons as you.

I had thought of trying to get the looms and switches from a breaker as a wee project, but if there's an easier route, I'd be happy to consider it.

Thank you - good to be part of a thread where we're discussing, advising and helping rather than the usual!

I was just about to type it all out but here you go...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=734&am...

The kit is something like £30
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-4pcs-Universal-Carb...

My 986 didn't even have the hog rings, I just slid the pads in, the whole job took about 4 hours end to end

If you want the OEM switches it really is a total ball-ache and unless you are good with electronics I wouldn't bother.
Also this place can do it for you for £300 per seat. I just did the driver's seat in my R8 as it's only ever me in there YMMV.
https://www.uniquecarsound.com/

[ATM]

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

My only issue is garage space ATM.

Don't let that stop you just park it outside. These cars don't have to live in a garage.

Something not adding up 100% about this seller.

He runs a Porsche used spare parts business on the side from another location...will still check it out even just to drive one.

If he has indeed owned it for many years then it feels as safe or as risky as any other 2nd hand private car purchase. Dont want to upset any Irish border relations but I assume there will be a v5 type document showing current and previous owners. Ask to see that before you go maybe. I dont want to sound like an arrogant prick with 2 Porsches but 5 grand still looks cheap to me. Especially with extended cow on the dash and doors.

Yes, there will be a V5 etc.
The only thing NI lacks is the online MOT history check database (which is so useful)

I've just got the full story and it's genuine Porsche spare parts business he runs (he's not a dealer). Turns out I know another Cayman owner that's dealt with him and he's a good contact to have. NI is a small place so nowhere to hide here. I'll have time midweek to shoot up for a look/meet. I might come back with an aftermarket exhaust for my Cayman instead

I had been toying with buying newer MUCH more expensive Porsche's but I think the fun Porsche ownership these days are owning a couple of cars at the bottom of their depreciation curve (as long as they aren't badly maintained dogs).

I'd like to do some basic spanner work myself so buying something with miles (well maintained) gets any thought of resale out of my head. At this sort of price, they are semi-disposable items if an engine or gearbox grenades itself.

987.1 Caymans are nearly in the same boat too. So one of those and a 986 Boxster seem to give the best of both worlds in terms of driving fun. Interesting times to be owning non-classic £££ old Porsches anyway.

This is all sounding very promising. My mate just had a 2 grand bill for a service of his 996.2 and he had a 3 grand bill last year. He still wants to do a suspension refresh because that all looks original. So yes 5 grand for a car that works is cheap if you ask me. Now ok there might be some gremlins lurking underneath but if its not your pride and joy and the car feels ok - not perfect - then they can wait or just live it as is.

So yes - as long as they aren't badly maintained dogs - is what you want but you can't expect perfectly tip top for 5 grand. So be realistic and see how the car feels. You should know if you like it or not after a bit of a drive.

As a reference point the 986 brake pedal should be rock hard. Not sure what else you need to know if you already have a Cayman. Which Cayman have you got?

[Andyoz]

edc said:

The price/value/dynamics proposition of the 986 is so good it's why I'm on my second. Like many owners who can afford much more whether be it a toy or daily, the ownership proposition and dynamic is much more different than a brand new or much more expensive car. Not that you won't care per se, but you can drive it with relative abandon knowing that in the grand scheme of things it is actually cheap. Ok it's not banger cheap but most neighbours will have a more expensive car or one that was more expensive and has lost a load of money. You won't get rich owning a 986 but the overall cost is quite favourable.

If Porsche had only sold 1/10 as many of them new then they'd cost alot more than £5k now. It's weird how human nature and supply/demand works with everything.

With some cars I looked at, ie. 997.2 manual, there's literally only a couple of decent ones for sale at any time.

[jakesmith]

Andyoz said:

edc said:

The price/value/dynamics proposition of the 986 is so good it's why I'm on my second. Like many owners who can afford much more whether be it a toy or daily, the ownership proposition and dynamic is much more different than a brand new or much more expensive car. Not that you won't care per se, but you can drive it with relative abandon knowing that in the grand scheme of things it is actually cheap. Ok it's not banger cheap but most neighbours will have a more expensive car or one that was more expensive and has lost a load of money. You won't get rich owning a 986 but the overall cost is quite favourable.

If Porsche had only sold 1/10 as many of them new then they'd cost alot more than £5k now. It's weird how human nature and supply/demand works with everything.

With some cars I looked at, ie. 997.2 manual, there's literally only a couple of decent ones for sale at any time.

I've often wondered why that is, I'm guessing it launched just as the GFC bit, also everyone was PDK crazy as it had also just launched in the 997, and also they are held in very high esteem as a car that wasn't as big and lardy as the 991 but more modern than the previous generations so maybe people by them as keepers

[Andyoz]

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

Andyoz said:

My only issue is garage space ATM.

Don't let that stop you just park it outside. These cars don't have to live in a garage.

Something not adding up 100% about this seller.

He runs a Porsche used spare parts business on the side from another location...will still check it out even just to drive one.

If he has indeed owned it for many years then it feels as safe or as risky as any other 2nd hand private car purchase. Dont want to upset any Irish border relations but I assume there will be a v5 type document showing current and previous owners. Ask to see that before you go maybe. I dont want to sound like an arrogant prick with 2 Porsches but 5 grand still looks cheap to me. Especially with extended cow on the dash and doors.

Yes, there will be a V5 etc.
The only thing NI lacks is the online MOT history check database (which is so useful)

I've just got the full story and it's genuine Porsche spare parts business he runs (he's not a dealer). Turns out I know another Cayman owner that's dealt with him and he's a good contact to have. NI is a small place so nowhere to hide here. I'll have time midweek to shoot up for a look/meet. I might come back with an aftermarket exhaust for my Cayman instead

I had been toying with buying newer MUCH more expensive Porsche's but I think the fun Porsche ownership these days are owning a couple of cars at the bottom of their depreciation curve (as long as they aren't badly maintained dogs).

I'd like to do some basic spanner work myself so buying something with miles (well maintained) gets any thought of resale out of my head. At this sort of price, they are semi-disposable items if an engine or gearbox grenades itself.

987.1 Caymans are nearly in the same boat too. So one of those and a 986 Boxster seem to give the best of both worlds in terms of driving fun. Interesting times to be owning non-classic £££ old Porsches anyway.

This is all sounding very promising. My mate just had a 2 grand bill for a service of his 996.2 and he had a 3 grand bill last year. He still wants to do a suspension refresh because that all looks original. So yes 5 grand for a car that works is cheap if you ask me. Now ok there might be some gremlins lurking underneath but if its not your pride and joy and the car feels ok - not perfect - then they can wait or just live it as is.

So yes - as long as they aren't badly maintained dogs - is what you want but you can't expect perfectly tip top for 5 grand. So be realistic and see how the car feels. You should know if you like it or not after a bit of a drive.

As a reference point the 986 brake pedal should be rock hard. Not sure what else you need to know if you already have a Cayman. Which Cayman have you got?

I've got the 2006 Cayman 987.1S so the one everyone doesn't want

It's s minter and was well looked after by McMillans (the specialist who's listed on this Boxster).

Will move to a 987.2 if the right one turns up. I'd seriously considered a Cayman R but still too much money to tie up and could I freely just enjoy putting on the miles like my 987.1 at one third the cost?

Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 16th February 11:06

[Andyoz]

jakesmith said:

Andyoz said:

edc said:

The price/value/dynamics proposition of the 986 is so good it's why I'm on my second. Like many owners who can afford much more whether be it a toy or daily, the ownership proposition and dynamic is much more different than a brand new or much more expensive car. Not that you won't care per se, but you can drive it with relative abandon knowing that in the grand scheme of things it is actually cheap. Ok it's not banger cheap but most neighbours will have a more expensive car or one that was more expensive and has lost a load of money. You won't get rich owning a 986 but the overall cost is quite favourable.

If Porsche had only sold 1/10 as many of them new then they'd cost alot more than £5k now. It's weird how human nature and supply/demand works with everything.

With some cars I looked at, ie. 997.2 manual, there's literally only a couple of decent ones for sale at any time.

I've often wondered why that is, I'm guessing it launched just as the GFC bit, also everyone was PDK crazy as it had also just launched in the 997, and also they are held in very high esteem as a car that wasn't as big and lardy as the 991 but more modern than the previous generations so maybe people by them as keepers

Yes, definitely. I think they sold only a third as many Gen 2 987 and 997 as the Gen 1 due to the financial crash. And PDK really tanked the number of manuals. Try to find a manual 997.2 GTS for not silly money!!

I've decided to just avoid that type of car for now but was actually considering 981 GT4 as all the stats stack in my favour (40+ for sale ATM and all manuals). It's having that much money tied up in a Weekender and the OPC servicing that would grind at you slowly as those stamps are needed for resale.

For the different in price you can buy a nice lockup here in NI to keep a few fun cars at once you can spanner on. I can keep my current favourite in the house garage too.

Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 16th February 11:10

[WojaWabbit]

If I wasn't dropping many pounds on a house renovation at the moment I'd be on a flight over to Norniron to buy that 986 S. Looks a good 'un.

[pete.g]

Hi Andy - if you have an existing relationship with George McMillan and he has an existing relationship with the vendor's car, then why not see if you can get a bit more background on the car? (With the vendor's permission, of course.)