I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[pete.g]

jakesmith said:

Escy said:

I'm not convinced ambers are desirable in any way shape or form. I understand why if you have them you might embrace them but I've not yet seen a facelifted car with clear lights get retrofitted with ambers.

Binned them for clears the day I got my first 986 back in 2007, they look rubbish and a design mistake not repeated by Porsche since

I like them and am keeping them on my little 986 - maintaining originality and dating the car correctly.

It would be a strange world if we all liked the same thing!

[Escy]

I don't mind them, depending on the colour of the car. On some colours they really don't look nice (red and yellow off the top of my head).

It was just the word desirable I was picking up on.

[Andyoz]

pete.g said:

I like them and am keeping them on my little 986 - maintaining originality and dating the car correctly.

It would be a strange world if we all liked the same thing!

I'd keep them to on any good examples to be period correct

[ATM]

What do we think of this?

£4500

Looks like extended leather on the doors. Not sure how to check the dash.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124065062492

[Andyoz]

I like that. Is that a new muffler back box?

[DRH986]

Looks quite tidy but expect to spend some money sorting out those MOT advisories over the last few years - discs all round, suspension arms, possible exhaust leak.

[Mariosbt]

anonymous said:

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This could go on & on & on & on &

[jakesmith]

anonymous said:

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You're right and I am very sorry that you are now upset yet again - please forgive me, and the same to anyone else sensitive enough to be upset by me not liking their headlights.

Anyway, onwards and upwards to some discussion: integral part of the design you say? They were derided, unpopular, called 'fried eggs', they were removed for the facelift never to be seen on any subsequent generations, many at the time disliked them so much they spent hundreds of pounds taking them off their cars. Just because something is original doesn't give it merit necessarily. I think that constitutes a 'mistake' in my book

Porsche returned to the classic round headlights for the next gen of cars but the ambers were ditched for good. Now that truly is an 'integral' part of the design of the car if you ask me, which you did. And I'm sure you agree.

It's subjective dear Moose. Like 17" wheels which also look 'gash' to use your word.

Anyway, it doesn't matter does it, the good thing is that we are good friends

Thanks and speak soon

[edc]

So what if Chris Harris has a 2.7 on 17s. That's how they came. What cars has he had since. It's a fallacy to say because he had one it is the best combination of somehow some sort of ringing endorsement. Jethro had an old 996. It was modded and a bit battered. Does that make that spec of 996 the ultimate? Definitely not.

People's tastes and views on cars change over time. This is not a dig but cmoose on here has flip flopped between 986 2.5, 2.7 and 3.2 all being the best or perhaps more accurately his favourite at various times. Always though with the manual box and the standard non-option non-upgrade size wheels.

The best or your favourite variant will invariably be influenced by what you can afford, how you use the car, what else to u have at the time and what your reference points are.

[pete.g]

ATM said:

What do we think of this?

£4500

Looks like extended leather on the doors. Not sure how to check the dash.

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Here is my opinion, expressed politely.

I very much like the exterior colour, the amber indicators and the alloy wheel design.

However, Savannah, or whichever form of beige that is, is not to my personal taste and I would not buy a car with it fitted.

[ATM]

edc said:

So what if Chris Harris has a 2.7 on 17s. That's how they came. What cars has he had since. It's a fallacy to say because he had one it is the best combination of somehow some sort of ringing endorsement.

I think the point isn't just that Harris had one but that he gave it a glowing review.

[Escy]

pete.g said:

However, Savannah, or whichever form of beige that is, is not to my personal taste and I would not buy a car with it fitted.

I've got a problem with the 9x6 coloured interiors in general, Porsche over did the colour coding, everything got the treatment, some are disgusting. I don't mind Savannah as a colour, it's the grey interior colour I can't stand. I wouldn't be able to bring myself to own a grey one.

[edc]

ATM said:

edc said:

So what if Chris Harris has a 2.7 on 17s. That's how they came. What cars has he had since. It's a fallacy to say because he had one it is the best combination of somehow some sort of ringing endorsement.

I think the point isn't just that Harris had one but that he gave it a glowing review.

Wind back the clock and give him a Cayman S with the 18s and a Cayman R on 19s and I bet he would heap praise on them too.

[jakesmith]

Escy said:

pete.g said:

However, Savannah, or whichever form of beige that is, is not to my personal taste and I would not buy a car with it fitted.

I've got a problem with the 9x6 coloured interiors in general, Porsche over did the colour coding, everything got the treatment, some are disgusting. I don't mind Savannah as a colour, it's the grey interior colour I can't stand. I wouldn't be able to bring myself to own a grey one.

I had a grey interior 987S for a bit, it was better on the 987 than the 986 but I wasn't really a fan, it was a great car apart from that so I bought it anyway - full leather, PASM, GT SIlver, manual and the nice 19" lobster claws

[ferrisbueller]

ATM said:

edc said:

So what if Chris Harris has a 2.7 on 17s. That's how they came. What cars has he had since. It's a fallacy to say because he had one it is the best combination of somehow some sort of ringing endorsement.

I think the point isn't just that Harris had one but that he gave it a glowing review.

Yeah, he's moved on a bit since then.

I know someone who had a new-ish Cayman from an OPC and used it regularly in the real world of ownership, as opposed to the being paid to give opinions on things people pay you to drive. It fell apart and the bills associated with its gradual demise were hilarious - it being a laugh or cry situation. He punted it to WBAC just to be rid of the piece of st and will never buy another Porsche, of any type, ever again.

[ATM]

edc said:

ATM said:

edc said:

So what if Chris Harris has a 2.7 on 17s. That's how they came. What cars has he had since. It's a fallacy to say because he had one it is the best combination of somehow some sort of ringing endorsement.

I think the point isn't just that Harris had one but that he gave it a glowing review.

Wind back the clock and give him a Cayman S with the 18s and a Cayman R on 19s and I bet he would heap praise on them too.

We'll never know. We do know he chose to buy the poverty spec 2.7 with his money and kept it and loved it because that is what he wrote. He wrote about having as much fun or more in the little Cayman than many other Porsche cars from that era.

[ferrisbueller]

ATM said:

edc said:

ATM said:

edc said:

So what if Chris Harris has a 2.7 on 17s. That's how they came. What cars has he had since. It's a fallacy to say because he had one it is the best combination of somehow some sort of ringing endorsement.

I think the point isn't just that Harris had one but that he gave it a glowing review.

Wind back the clock and give him a Cayman S with the 18s and a Cayman R on 19s and I bet he would heap praise on them too.

We'll never know. We do know he chose to buy the poverty spec 2.7 with his money and kept it and loved it because that is what he wrote. He wrote about having as much fun or more in the little Cayman than many other Porsche cars from that era.

What we know is that he bought it on finance and ran it for a while. It could be said that in that snapshot of time he had one and liked it. When you say "kept it", how long for? This is Chris Harris, a man who flips faster than the burger station at Mcd's on a Saturday (and now openly talks about dealing [cars] as a hobby). His own article reflected potential other Porsche options which may be preferable but had the potential to cost more in upkeep. That statement alone suggests to me he wasn't writing at the end of a three year period of ownership during which time there's a reasonable probability the car could have cost him some dollar. And ignores depreciation, obvs. because there's a tendency to do that.

[pete.g]

ferrisbueller said:

ATM said:

edc said:

So what if Chris Harris has a 2.7 on 17s. That's how they came. What cars has he had since. It's a fallacy to say because he had one it is the best combination of somehow some sort of ringing endorsement.

I think the point isn't just that Harris had one but that he gave it a glowing review.

Yeah, he's moved on a bit since then.

I know someone who had a new-ish Cayman from an OPC and used it regularly in the real world of ownership, as opposed to the being paid to give opinions on things people pay you to drive. It fell apart and the bills associated with its gradual demise were hilarious - it being a laugh or cry situation. He punted it to WBAC just to be rid of the piece of st and will never buy another Porsche, of any type, ever again.

I know someone (me) who had three Caymans over a period of 12 years and had to replace a total of one temperature sensor and two lower control arms (after over 40,000 'real world' miles on that particular car).

I keep buying Porsches.

[HokumPokum]

I wish someone that had done the hartech 3.9L cayman S conversion would opine on it......

especially if they have bben on track with it.

[dai1983]

Like some sort of sexual deviant I LOVE the fried eggs and dislike the later 996.2 style lights.

I also quite like all the interior colours but it has to be on the right car do no green leather with a red car or savannah on silver. I also like Ocean Jade Metallic.