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Andyoz said:
I was listening to a financial commentator talking about Germany and how cars were such a big part of their economy/manufacturing.
They are so late to the electric car party that it's really going to hurt the country. ICE dales are falling year on year let alone performance ones!
The only good thing about all this is it forces you to drive your cars NOW...with cheap 987's out there we'll look back on the next 5 years as a great time never to be repeated.
What percentage of sales is electric?They are so late to the electric car party that it's really going to hurt the country. ICE dales are falling year on year let alone performance ones!
The only good thing about all this is it forces you to drive your cars NOW...with cheap 987's out there we'll look back on the next 5 years as a great time never to be repeated.
Apart from Tesla who is behind electric?
raceboy said:
ATM said:
It sold once before so it might be back. I like it but not sure that front bumper is correct aero as per rest of car?
I don't think it's technically the 'Aerokit', the seller lists the options fitted, and in there are XAG - Carrera fixed rear spoiler and X76 - Side skirts, the front bumper is standard, and the rear spoiler is a different one to the GT3 Aerokit style one, still looks a Billy Bargain though, but it is quite 'red' on the inside.
This auction just ended with 2 bids at £2,250. A few miles but appears solid.
Car's almost a disposable item at that price...crazy!
https://ebay.us/Le5ePW
Car's almost a disposable item at that price...crazy!
https://ebay.us/Le5ePW
That is cheap, but the seller made no effort with his one line vehicle description:
"For sale my much beloved toy. New battery, new soft top 7 months ago, oil and filters changed, new alternator and belt, new spark plugs, new crankshaft sensor. Exhaust have a minor leak. I’m located in Banbury."
Looks like he's fed up chucking money at it. The added DRLs, incorrect wheels, several front suspension advisories at last MoT and nephrite green interior will all be issues….. For some.
The white clocks aren't standard either. It does have air con and OBC fitted, and you may be able to get the correct wheels and sell those ones off for an actual profit!
Could be a bargain, but it may end up not sold at that price.
"For sale my much beloved toy. New battery, new soft top 7 months ago, oil and filters changed, new alternator and belt, new spark plugs, new crankshaft sensor. Exhaust have a minor leak. I’m located in Banbury."
Looks like he's fed up chucking money at it. The added DRLs, incorrect wheels, several front suspension advisories at last MoT and nephrite green interior will all be issues….. For some.
The white clocks aren't standard either. It does have air con and OBC fitted, and you may be able to get the correct wheels and sell those ones off for an actual profit!Could be a bargain, but it may end up not sold at that price.
Andyoz said:
This auction just ended with 2 bids at £2,250. A few miles but appears solid.
Car's almost a disposable item at that price...crazy!
https://ebay.us/Le5ePW
Insane value!! I even like the colour combo! Car's almost a disposable item at that price...crazy!
https://ebay.us/Le5ePW
Ditch the Turbo wheels (I presume replica ones....) and fit some nice, original 16" ones.
Since small Boxster wheels are cheap as chips, you probably even make some money back from this!
V8fan said:
That is cheap, but the seller made no effort with his one line vehicle description:
"For sale my much beloved toy. New battery, new soft top 7 months ago, oil and filters changed, new alternator and belt, new spark plugs, new crankshaft sensor. Exhaust have a minor leak. I’m located in Banbury."
Looks like he's fed up chucking money at it. The added DRLs, incorrect wheels, several front suspension advisories at last MoT and nephrite green interior will all be issues….. For some. The white clocks aren't standard either. It does have air con and OBC fitted, and you may be able to get the correct wheels and sell those ones off for an actual profit!
Could be a bargain, but it may end up not sold at that price.
Yes, the green interior probably sealed it's fate - I hadn't seen that in full technicolor beauty on my phone this morning. Look on the bright side, it's got a silver centre console at least. Make a good fun thrasher though if it held together for the summer."For sale my much beloved toy. New battery, new soft top 7 months ago, oil and filters changed, new alternator and belt, new spark plugs, new crankshaft sensor. Exhaust have a minor leak. I’m located in Banbury."
Looks like he's fed up chucking money at it. The added DRLs, incorrect wheels, several front suspension advisories at last MoT and nephrite green interior will all be issues….. For some.
The white clocks aren't standard either. It does have air con and OBC fitted, and you may be able to get the correct wheels and sell those ones off for an actual profit!Could be a bargain, but it may end up not sold at that price.
If it was me, I'd def only be looking at the Base model at this end of the market as engine can last.
Edited by Andyoz on Thursday 27th February 12:47
jakesmith said:
What percentage of sales is electric?
Apart from Tesla who is behind electric?
With the new company car rule coming in April of this year how long do you think it will be before everyone realises the huge difference between having a 318d and a Tesla is for them?Apart from Tesla who is behind electric?
318d at £400 a month in BIK tax a month vs Tesla at £0.
There was nearly a million company cars sold in 2017, last year down to 840,000. That is a very high percentage of buyers who dictate what sort of cars we buy and ultimately they make.
I reckon by the next round of company cars in 3 years electric will be dictating.
Are we ready? I doubt it.
gizlaroc said:
With the new company car rule coming in April of this year how long do you think it will be before everyone realises the huge difference between having a 318d and a Tesla is for them?
318d at £400 a month in BIK tax a month vs Tesla at £0.
There was nearly a million company cars sold in 2017, last year down to 840,000. That is a very high percentage of buyers who dictate what sort of cars we buy and ultimately they make.
I reckon by the next round of company cars in 3 years electric will be dictating.
Are we ready? I doubt it.
I was surprised 18 months ago how little there was on offer from the Germans (Audi, Merc etc) in terms of electric type cars when my Company went looking for them. I'm out of the company now anyway but it was a slight shock as I'd assumed things had developed.318d at £400 a month in BIK tax a month vs Tesla at £0.
There was nearly a million company cars sold in 2017, last year down to 840,000. That is a very high percentage of buyers who dictate what sort of cars we buy and ultimately they make.
I reckon by the next round of company cars in 3 years electric will be dictating.
Are we ready? I doubt it.
We were left with the likes of Lexus etc...basically not the Germans. That what the commentator I mentioned was getting at....they have been a bit slow on this one and Porsche releasing the Taycan isn't relevant to these buyers.
They're not slow. They just don't want to release something which would quickly be obsolete or cannot be used in the real world. Further undermined by the evolving views on what the longer term strategies might be. There are significant limitations around the practical usage of EVs. If we all used them the infrastructure wouldn't cope and it's some way off being sorted.
Car manufacturers plan so far ahead with their production cycles they can't really react quick enough, it's like trying to turn an oil tanker around. As a new car is released, it's replacement is already being planned and can be under development. It was easier for the likes of Tesla to steal a march by having a clean sheet design and being able to package batteries from the start rather than trying to adapt a vehicle that's already on sale such a Renault with the Fluence and Mercedes with the electric B Class.
No we're not ready for a big shift to electric, and IMO it's not really the answer but it's a route that everyone is being shoved down by governments around the world.
No we're not ready for a big shift to electric, and IMO it's not really the answer but it's a route that everyone is being shoved down by governments around the world.
gizlaroc said:
With the new company car rule coming in April of this year how long do you think it will be before everyone realises the huge difference between having a 318d and a Tesla is for them?
318d at £400 a month in BIK tax a month vs Tesla at £0.
There was nearly a million company cars sold in 2017, last year down to 840,000. That is a very high percentage of buyers who dictate what sort of cars we buy and ultimately they make.
I reckon by the next round of company cars in 3 years electric will be dictating.
Are we ready? I doubt it.
And then the company car tax pendulum will start to swing the other way as the government tries to recoup lost earnings on company car tax and will start to tax charging electric vehicles.318d at £400 a month in BIK tax a month vs Tesla at £0.
There was nearly a million company cars sold in 2017, last year down to 840,000. That is a very high percentage of buyers who dictate what sort of cars we buy and ultimately they make.
I reckon by the next round of company cars in 3 years electric will be dictating.
Are we ready? I doubt it.
ferrisbueller said:
There are significant limitations around the practical usage of EVs. If we all used them the infrastructure wouldn't cope and it's some way off being sorted.
The doom mongers would have you believe ICE's will be banned in 10 years time.... it will take a lot longer than that to put a charging infrastructure in place. They have to find a solution for places big cites... how do you charge you car at home if you live in a flat and park on the street every night? You can hardly run an extension lead down 10 floors and across the pavement. Charging points need installing pretty much on every street. Plus I'm not sure the grid has capacity to cope with x million electric cars.
To get back on topic because electronic cars and company cars are boring...
This looks a very nice car. Rare colour (which I like but not sure I'd actually want), not cheap mind, think it's a couple of grand heavy, I guess the premium is for the colour.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223924616208
This looks a very nice car. Rare colour (which I like but not sure I'd actually want), not cheap mind, think it's a couple of grand heavy, I guess the premium is for the colour.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223924616208
I hope you're right.
But, look at sales of the 320d and 520d, the company car favourite due to low BIK rates, they are through the floor. Now it is 330e and 530e.
£17000 over the next 3 years in tax vs around £5000, and in a much nicer car I would guess.
Many won't even get the charge cable out of the bag for the whole 3 years.
I have not had a company car since I bought the 535d back in 2005, but seriously thinking about it again now for 2020, as are nearly everyone I know.
Customer this morning just swapped his order for a Skoda Superb company car he ordered Friday to a Tesla on Monday morning after realising the difference in tax after speaking to people over the weekend in the pub.
This will change everything.....
The Germans need to get on board damned sharp.
£15000 over 3 years vs £900 is not a hard choice for people.
But, look at sales of the 320d and 520d, the company car favourite due to low BIK rates, they are through the floor. Now it is 330e and 530e.
£17000 over the next 3 years in tax vs around £5000, and in a much nicer car I would guess.
Many won't even get the charge cable out of the bag for the whole 3 years.
I have not had a company car since I bought the 535d back in 2005, but seriously thinking about it again now for 2020, as are nearly everyone I know.
Customer this morning just swapped his order for a Skoda Superb company car he ordered Friday to a Tesla on Monday morning after realising the difference in tax after speaking to people over the weekend in the pub.
This will change everything.....
The Germans need to get on board damned sharp.
£15000 over 3 years vs £900 is not a hard choice for people.
Auction
Currently 4600
Aero front bumper and side skirts
Failed MOT - break pipes - that's Ebay speak for brake lines
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193358827824
Currently 4600
Aero front bumper and side skirts
Failed MOT - break pipes - that's Ebay speak for brake lines
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/193358827824
Escy said:
To get back on topic because electronic cars and company cars are boring...
This looks a very nice car. Rare colour (which I like but not sure I'd actually want), not cheap mind, think it's a couple of grand heavy, I guess the premium is for the colour.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223924616208
Yes, that price is veering into 987 territory with the same 3.2 engine.This looks a very nice car. Rare colour (which I like but not sure I'd actually want), not cheap mind, think it's a couple of grand heavy, I guess the premium is for the colour.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223924616208
I think that the 987 3.2 is the current sweet spot for Boxsters ATM
I've add pic of the auction
Back on topic.... Go discuss your lease caca elsewhere.
I'm in the market for a new daily and fun car for the summer, current daily shed is on its last legs and want to get back in to something fun. Budget of £10k.
Head:
Facelift NC MX-5 2.0 for around £6k and take it to BBR for the 200hp NA upgrade pack, new cams, exhaust etc, could even throw some wheels on it and nice suspension, all in for under the budget. Reliable, cheap to fix.
Heart :
986 for £6-7k with a contingency fund of £3-4k to put anything right. There are a few about, one not too far away with 2002 2.7 51k miles on for £6k. Leaving £4000 for the "didn't feel that on the test drive" moments after.
987 for £10k. Pay few hundred quid aside a month for the disaster fund.
I've done my research and the doom and gloom stories are all over the place. Doesn't instill confidence at this end of the market. More akin to gambling than buying a car. Bore score, ims, water ingress, leaky rear main seals, radiators... Lining myself up for a royal stuffing. Might just do it anyway, who cares, it's only money isn't it...
I'm in the market for a new daily and fun car for the summer, current daily shed is on its last legs and want to get back in to something fun. Budget of £10k.
Head:
Facelift NC MX-5 2.0 for around £6k and take it to BBR for the 200hp NA upgrade pack, new cams, exhaust etc, could even throw some wheels on it and nice suspension, all in for under the budget. Reliable, cheap to fix.
Heart :
986 for £6-7k with a contingency fund of £3-4k to put anything right. There are a few about, one not too far away with 2002 2.7 51k miles on for £6k. Leaving £4000 for the "didn't feel that on the test drive" moments after.
987 for £10k. Pay few hundred quid aside a month for the disaster fund.
I've done my research and the doom and gloom stories are all over the place. Doesn't instill confidence at this end of the market. More akin to gambling than buying a car. Bore score, ims, water ingress, leaky rear main seals, radiators... Lining myself up for a royal stuffing. Might just do it anyway, who cares, it's only money isn't it...
Cardinal Hips said:
Back on topic.... Go discuss your lease caca elsewhere.
I'm in the market for a new daily and fun car for the summer, current daily shed is on its last legs and want to get back in to something fun. Budget of £10k.
Head:
Facelift NC MX-5 2.0 for around £6k and take it to BBR for the 200hp NA upgrade pack, new cams, exhaust etc, could even throw some wheels on it and nice suspension, all in for under the budget. Reliable, cheap to fix.
Heart :
986 for £6-7k with a contingency fund of £3-4k to put anything right. There are a few about, one not too far away with 2002 2.7 51k miles on for £6k. Leaving £4000 for the "didn't feel that on the test drive" moments after.
987 for £10k. Pay few hundred quid aside a month for the disaster fund.
I've done my research and the doom and gloom stories are all over the place. Doesn't instill confidence at this end of the market. More akin to gambling than buying a car. Bore score, ims, water ingress, leaky rear main seals, radiators... Lining myself up for a royal stuffing. Might just do it anyway, who cares, it's only money isn't it...
Re. the NC MX5... I'd personaly not bother with that 2.0 as it doesn't like to rev. I'd stretch for a used ND 1.5 instead...I'm in the market for a new daily and fun car for the summer, current daily shed is on its last legs and want to get back in to something fun. Budget of £10k.
Head:
Facelift NC MX-5 2.0 for around £6k and take it to BBR for the 200hp NA upgrade pack, new cams, exhaust etc, could even throw some wheels on it and nice suspension, all in for under the budget. Reliable, cheap to fix.
Heart :
986 for £6-7k with a contingency fund of £3-4k to put anything right. There are a few about, one not too far away with 2002 2.7 51k miles on for £6k. Leaving £4000 for the "didn't feel that on the test drive" moments after.
987 for £10k. Pay few hundred quid aside a month for the disaster fund.
I've done my research and the doom and gloom stories are all over the place. Doesn't instill confidence at this end of the market. More akin to gambling than buying a car. Bore score, ims, water ingress, leaky rear main seals, radiators... Lining myself up for a royal stuffing. Might just do it anyway, who cares, it's only money isn't it...
987 3.2 a better bet IMO anyway...
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