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anonymous said:
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Value is subjective. The fact that somebody questions the value only proves to show it is not definitively good value. There is a lot of good quality and maybe good value work in the ICE and car mod game but rarely is there a general consensus that spending the best part of 50% plus or closer to 100% if a Cayman S of your original asset purchase price good value.
anonymous said:
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Dammit actually says ‘I'd be counting on ~£12,000 as the minimum cost to get the car back from Hartech.’ Which is clearly wrong, and what irritated Baz in the 1st place. I’m sure I’ve seen posts in here or the ‘what’s an early 996?’ thread, where cars advertised with ‘Hartech rebuild’ and invoices of around the value Baz states as typical full rebuild costs (£7.5-£8k), have been denounced as rubbish... to paraphrase... ‘Too low/half a job/I’d want to see exactly what’s been done’. Which it’s clear Baz wouldn’t agree with.
I’ve never looked at their pricing before as my engine seems to be a good one, but it was my impression from what’s been posted in either here, or the other thread, that a rebuild from them is well in to 5 figures.
The number of occurrences you can see if people saying "this is good value" are few and far between. There are as many of not more people saying it isn't good value. Whilst not hugely scientific that usually means there isn't a concensus. I'm not knocking the quality of the work, the products or the man hours. But all that does not make it good value. Value is in the eye of the beholder and is not absolute.
ferrisbueller said:
In relative terms the value is easy to ascertain. Just compare it to the alternatives on the market.
In absolute terms, not so much. I wonder how many of the "not good value" people have any idea of what's involved.
I understand where you are coming from but ultimately people make value judgements irrespective of the information and often on a different basis. Even if the same information is available to the same people they can and will still reach different conclusions and identify different values. In absolute terms, not so much. I wonder how many of the "not good value" people have any idea of what's involved.
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I must be missing something, I thought you get a bog standard engine re-build you could get from plenty of places at significantly cheaper prices and a thermostat which opens at a lower temperature.AmosMoses said:
I’m flirting with the idea of a Boxster as a summer car. What are they like for taller folk? I’m 6”4, used to have a mk2 mx5 and was pretty comfy.
I’m 6’3” and bit, and a 987 felt tight for me... To get the leg room I needed I had to have the seat more upright than felt comfortable. Chris Stott said:
AmosMoses said:
I’m flirting with the idea of a Boxster as a summer car. What are they like for taller folk? I’m 6”4, used to have a mk2 mx5 and was pretty comfy.
I’m 6’3” and bit, and a 987 felt tight for me... To get the leg room I needed I had to have the seat more upright than felt comfortable. 
anonymous said:
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Perversely you seem to be in agreement. You doubt it's possible to demonstrate a consensus ie there is no consensus, is as good as the same as rarely is there a general consensus. I'm not claiming it as fact. I am putting forward an opinion only in the same way you do when you assert that the Hartech rebuild is good value. Value isn't black and white. Chris Stott said:
AmosMoses said:
I’m flirting with the idea of a Boxster as a summer car. What are they like for taller folk? I’m 6”4, used to have a mk2 mx5 and was pretty comfy.
I’m 6’3” and bit, and a 987 felt tight for me... To get the leg room I needed I had to have the seat more upright than felt comfortable. I'm almost 6 2 but really I'm 6 1 and I have the seat in my 996 all the way back. I also do in my 981. When i had my 997 I had it one click forward. I read somewhere that the pedals were a bit further away on the 9x7 or up inside the foot well but not sure if that's true. The 9x7 cars have different seats and I think this makes your bum further down and back. I had the sports seats in my 997. The 9x6 seats are a bit rubbish if you ask me.
The other big change on the 9x7 over the 9x6 is the up and down adjustment of the steering wheel position on the 9x7 rather than just forward and back on the 9x6 cars. The wheel position is a little low and too far away in the 9x6. Lots of people add aftermarket steering wheels to their 996 which brings it closer to you and allows more room for your knees which end up between the wheel and dashboard. I've never seen any 9x7 cars with aftermarket steering wheels.
So the worst car to buy of all of them if you are tall is a 986 Boxster. You can improve things by removing the lower centre console but your knees will still be up towards the indicator stalk/s. Then you could try a different steering wheel too. The 9x7 seats also bolt into the 9x6 but the wiring needs some cutting and adjusting. I'd probably recommend you just buy a 987 in the first place. Sports seats in the 9x7 might gain you a bit over the standard tomb stones.
This is a pic I took a few years ago showing my wheel. It adds over an inch of reach. Car had it when I bought it. You can see my knees too so get an idea. Obviously the less room you have pushes your knees higher up as they have nowhere else to go.
12k is pretty cheap for a kick-ass engine rebuild, if you compare to what people spend on extra/over-spec items on their brand new Macan GTS, RR and etc... I've seen a 718 GTS last year at OPC, there was nearly 11k options on it, mostly cosmetics. If you compare it to some other engine upgrades/builts for TVR, such as Powerperformance upgrades, 12k is not cheap. I believe you can get a pretty good engine rebuild on Tuscan around 5-7k with 3 year warranty. Than again, of course we start comparing straight 6 to Flat 6, driving fun and etc... it's all relative. 
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