I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[ferrisbueller]

You may have had a lucky escape.

[Andyoz]

Maldini35 said:

Andyoz said:

Does look like it alright.

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

I bet they paid £17,000

Instead of flipping for a few grand they appear to be going for the jackpot.

Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 22 March 15:08

It seemed like a classic flip shop run by a couple of chancers.

I walked away saying I wasn’t sure it was the right car for me.
I then got a very brief email a couple of days later saying (I quote) : ‘Do you want the car or not?’

I thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt. So I sent a polite reply detailing all the issues and explaining that curt emails like the one he sent me was never going to win him any customers.

That made me laugh.

Was just looking at their other cars...wasn't this 996 discussed here or in another thread? Small world...

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

[ATM]

Andyoz said:

Maldini35 said:

Andyoz said:

Does look like it alright.

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

I bet they paid £17,000

Instead of flipping for a few grand they appear to be going for the jackpot.

Edited by Andyoz on Sunday 22 March 15:08

It seemed like a classic flip shop run by a couple of chancers.

I walked away saying I wasn’t sure it was the right car for me.
I then got a very brief email a couple of days later saying (I quote) : ‘Do you want the car or not?’

I thought I would give him the benefit of the doubt. So I sent a polite reply detailing all the issues and explaining that curt emails like the one he sent me was never going to win him any customers.

That made me laugh.

Was just looking at their other cars...wasn't this 996 discussed here or in another thread? Small world...

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

Standard ride height with the aero kit is a big fail if you ask me. Looks like the car is hovering.

[WojaWabbit]

Andyoz said:

That made me laugh.

Was just looking at their other cars...wasn't this 996 discussed here or in another thread? Small world...

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

WojaWabbit said:

This isn't poverty pork but it gives us an idea of what people are willing to pay this week. Looks like top dollar to me, even accounting for the desirable spec.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...

Was bid just up to just over £16k which didn't meet the reserve.

[Andyoz]

WojaWabbit said:

Andyoz said:

That made me laugh.

Was just looking at their other cars...wasn't this 996 discussed here or in another thread? Small world...

https://www.friendsgreenporsche.com/product-page/p...

WojaWabbit said:

This isn't poverty pork but it gives us an idea of what people are willing to pay this week. Looks like top dollar to me, even accounting for the desirable spec.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...

Was bid just up to just over £16k which didn't meet the reserve.

Bid by who....that is the question

[Mallone]

I made some (I thought) fair and balanced comments about FGP a few years ago on this thread after I'd been to see some of his cars.

The owner ended up chasing me down offline and giving me loads of crap over text, over a period of about two days, about what I'd said. Couldn't believe he would do that.

After our little exchange he had my original post removed as part of the 'no naming and shaming' rules, which was a real stretch.

I've still got that conversation if anyone would be interested in seeing what sort of seller he is and the type of operation he's running....

[Andyoz]

Mallone said:

I made some (I thought) fair and balanced comments about FGP a few years ago on this thread after I'd been to see some of his cars.

The owner ended up chasing me down offline and giving me loads of crap over text, over a period of about two days, about what I'd said. Couldn't believe he would do that.

After our little exchange he had my original post removed as part of the 'no naming and shaming' rules, which was a real stretch.

I've still got that conversation if anyone would be interested in seeing what sort of seller he is and the type of operation he's running....

It's why I buy privately. You get some chancers buying privately too but at least the average car cost is less and you get to meet the actual owner and size up what sort of recent history the cars had.

[Fast Bug]

911UK is always a good place to ask about Porsche Porsche independents. FG didn't cover themselves in glory on there either when someone complained about them...

[2Btoo]

ATM said:

I had a little drive out in my poverty pork today once I got it working which was an achievement after all the grief I've had with the gearbox not finding gears, warnings on the dash and all manner of gremlins. For those that dont know I bought it back from the insurance company after a trip across the hard shoulder and grass verge which ripped the rear passenger wheel clean off the car.

I knew you'd crashed it but didn't know you'd got it back on the road. Well done. Are the gremlins now gone or do they still linger?

[2Btoo]

2Btoo said:

I knew you'd crashed it but didn't know you'd got it back on the road. Well done. Are the gremlins now gone or do they still linger?

Ignore that - I've dug up your old thread.

(Here, should anyone else want to see it: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... )

Well done on getting it back on the road. Just the cosmetics to sort out now, eh?

[ATM]

2Btoo said:

2Btoo said:

I knew you'd crashed it but didn't know you'd got it back on the road. Well done. Are the gremlins now gone or do they still linger?

Ignore that - I've dug up your old thread.

(Here, should anyone else want to see it: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... )

Well done on getting it back on the road. Just the cosmetics to sort out now, eh?

Well the car drives now if it's got oil in the box. It's leaking out so it clearly has a hole or something. It's hard find. If I lie under there I just see oil everywhere. So either its spraying out under pressure or hitting the spinning drive shaft and getting thrown around.

Initially I assumed the gear side oil was leaking out where the half shaft goes into the box. It could still be. But all the problems with the car changing gear or not definitely persisted even when I renewed the gear side oil.

The clutch side oil cooler sits on the passenger side so its possible the half shaft made contact with some of this when it came out of the box at motorway speeds and was probably flapping around. See pic of passenger side below.

Or the casing could be cracked or something internal could be busted. Anything could be going on.

The good news is I know a lot more about these PDK boxes now. They seem quite sturdy overall and once you get past the general belief that you have to have a warranty and also that Porsche dealers just change the whole gearbox if there is any little problem so that is why the internet is full of stories about the potential risk of a massive bill if you get a simple PDK fault then I think the PDK could prove to be a more reliable option longer term than the basic manuals which often need a refurb when they get on a bit.

I used to believe that a manual box is a better bet on an older car because it is so simple compared to an auto. But then when I got gearbox problems in my 996 I realised in Porsche land that's just not the case. Lots of older 996 cars with some miles under their belt have had refurbished boxes. Same with the gen 1 997 too. And we all know the clutch and fly can age too. The PDK might be a better bet for the second hand car buyer in terms of expense risk and I quite like the way it works in a "its clever" kind of way.

[Escy]

There's issues with the synchro's on a 996 and Cayman 6 speed gearboxes. These start off with user error and develop from there.

[ATM]

Yeah I'm always worried changing gear in my 996 when its a bit cold and feels a bit crunchy. Its a constant worry. In a PDK we can assume the whole rev matching wet clutch thing will last a very long time compared to a traditional clutch which starts to go stiff. On the 996 I have changed clutch fluid pipe and slave cylinder. Gear cables too are a consumable item. None of these things are required on a PDK. Also blipping the throttle in neutral shows that the engine is super responsive probably due to there being no real flywheel adding mass to the rotating parts. Surely rev matching will be much less wearing in terms of the synchros and the clutch assembly. Dont get me wrong when the 996 is all warmed up and shifting sweetly it feels great. But its cost me a lot to get the car to this standard. If I was to buy another older car Id be pretty picky about all these items to the point where I probably wouldn't find a car to buy.

[ATM]

Its similar to a DSG or DCT I believe. So there are 2 set of gears - even gears and reverse on one and the odd numbers on the other. If you are accelerating in 1st then 2nd is already set and meshing but its clutch has not engaged yet. So its supposed to instantly - or quickly - disengage the clutch on the 1st gear set and engage it on the 2nd gear at the same time.

If I have my engage and disengage the right way round?

[Escy]

I think synchro issues will generally be traced back to user error rather than simply wear and tear. Once they are damaged they then deteriorate with use.

[snotrag]

Yup, pdk is similar to dsg (that's where vw got the idea from).

Porsche double clutch transmission.

Effectively two transmissions in one, 1,3,5 on one side and 2,4,6 on the other. So when you change up it only has to switch from one side to the other.

[ATM]

Think about this. A manual car with a few years under its belt may need the following at some point to be tip top -

Clutch
Flywheel
Clutch pipe
Slave cylinder
Shifter cables

Is that lot 2 grand? A PDK has none of these things. The only real sevice item on a PDK is fluids.

Then with a manual you also run the risk of a gearbox refurb because of bearings being worn or syncros or 2nd gear pop out etc etc.

Ok the PDK is possibly not old enough yet to give us any ideas about failure rates as they get on. But there is some info online that the PDK itself was made or designed by ZF. So lots of the sensors or hydraulic gubbins use generic parts which are readily available and used in other boxes. They may become serviceable by auto box specialists which is good news for owners when the cars start getting older and will hopefully mean less Porsche tax.

When my basic 996 manual box went pop I called several gearbox specialists and none were interested in even talking about looking at it. They kept saying that the parts are all Porsche specific and cost a lot.

Obviously these are just thoughts or ramblings but that's what the internet is for right?

[jakesmith]

Different manufacturer, different box but many VAG DSG units were affected by the curse of the Mechatronic u it failure. As I understand it this is the interface between the mechanical and electronic part of the box and affected a load of cars such as the Golf GTI Mk5 2.0, the 1.4TSI unit, and a host of other vehicles that used those and other parts.

There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997

Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.

[V8fan]

The Bonhams mph cars auction of the 21st March at Bicester was cancelled, and went to 'sealed bids' by 17:00 on 23rd instead. This 2002 996 Targa with 75k miles went for £11k !



https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26109/lot/49/?cat...

Being a Tip AND a Targa, does that make the least desireable? I quite like a Targa, I got used to them with TVRs.

Collecting as being a 'necessary' journey could be tricky though. No, it wasn't me!

[ATM]

jakesmith said:

Different manufacturer, different box but many VAG DSG units were affected by the curse of the Mechatronic u it failure. As I understand it this is the interface between the mechanical and electronic part of the box and affected a load of cars such as the Golf GTI Mk5 2.0, the 1.4TSI unit, and a host of other vehicles that used those and other parts.

There’s a place that can aledgedly refurb it for you for about £1k but they won’t touch the car so unless you can remove the gearbox and strip the Mechatronic unit yourself you’re taking a risk, as you’d be paying a garage to do it, and if it doesn’t work or the fix doesn’t last you’re in a tricky spot. The alternative is a new DSG box which was about £6k and that is more than I spent replacing the manual box in my 997

Porsche PDK seems reliable so far although I’ve heard of a few failures, in the Macan I believe. And that is more like a 5 figure bill. I think the box has been out long enough now to see it doesn’t have masses of horror stories or a bad rep, but it’s a complex box as Moose points out, the question really is when will they start to reach the end of their lives? 100k miles? And will ICE be relevant then still or will they be waning so much that the cars are barely used anyway.

Does the Mechatronic thing look like this?

https://www.shenghaiautoparts.com/shop/valve-body/...