I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[Escy]

snotrag said:

These have a dual mass flywheel, they can make an awful sounding rattle if they completely fail. You could be lucky!

It's definately something i'll look into.

[Speedgelb]

RMDB9 said:

That is crazy. A really classic colour combo, the spartanic spec, amber lenses. 22 years old and yet so fresh.
Only the aftermarket Pioneer satnav would turn me off.

Crazy, crazy. Another 10 years and then what....?

How exactly is that spartanic, and what's the issue with the head unit?

[kingston12]

Speedgelb said:

RMDB9 said:

That is crazy. A really classic colour combo, the spartanic spec, amber lenses. 22 years old and yet so fresh.
Only the aftermarket Pioneer satnav would turn me off.

Crazy, crazy. Another 10 years and then what....?

How exactly is that spartanic, and what's the issue with the head unit?

I never understand the need for original head units in cars of this value either, especially if they are going to be used daily.

I’ve got a 987 and the PCM was so archaic that it was pretty much unusable, so I dread to think how bad the 986 one would be.

It’s the only change I’ve made to my car the only thing it was really missing. I’ve kept the PCM just in case I ever want to sell the car as 100% original.

[RMDB9]

Speedgelb said:

How exactly is that spartanic, and what's the issue with the head unit?

The right row of buttons next to the satnav screen is empty. I like that, but I would prefer the original audio unit, ideally with a cassette recorder. It suits the entry-level aura of the early-years Boxster, like amber indicator lenses or 17" wheels.

[McSam]

Jamie Summers said:

anonymous said:

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I've got a separate digital Scanguage reading the water temp from the OBD port on my heavily-modded 3.7 987.1 Cayman. The issues I've had with engine cooling have been documented elsewhere on this forum, but in brief answer to this question, I was regularly seeing the water temp in excess of 110 deg on track, yet the dash gauge was barely moved from it's vertical position. Thus, there are a lot of M96 and M97 engines running way hotter than their owners are aware of !

Reducing that water temp is quite an exercise. I now have a GT3 centre-rad, LTT, a 997 oil/water heat exchanger, a deep sump and a ducted external oil cooler. Only with that set-up are on-track temps down to an acceptable range.

This is very interesting, thanks for sharing. It sounds like the 987 dash gauge was starting to move at 105°C?

Apologies if it's already posted elsewhere, but I'm keen to know how much power your car has, what temperatures you're achieving now, and in what ambient temperatures you can do it. Also how you've defined your acceptable range!

We've only spoken about coolant temperatures so far. What about the oil?

anonymous said:

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The 9x7 could well be better despite the layout looking the same, I don't know the specs of the water pumps or the radiators used between the two generations. I would hope that the cooling jacket is significantly improved from Porsche's first (?) flat-six to feature one, too. These things make an enormous difference to cooling efficiency.

I wonder if the design temperature limits are in the public domain by now. 109°C is certainly higher than a normal running temperature, but some engines are designed to 115 or even higher for circuit use.

[Order66]

Escy said:

Your not the only one. It doesn't sound like a big end rattle, it's not a deep knocking. It's quiet at idle (when cold, didn't run it for long). It's nothing on the front end as the seller removed the drive belt to check. I don't think i'm going to get involved as i'm replacing the engine, i'll probably do a compression test and sell it like it is for spares. The seller thinks maybe the IMS bearing, I thought these were either good = engine runs, bad = engine doesn't run, I didn't think they give you a warning. It sounds like it's coming from the gearbox end of the engine.

Should figure out the cause of the tick before you replace the engine. They are known for noisy injectors. Might be throwing away a good engine for no reason.

[ATM]

Order66 said:

Escy said:

Your not the only one. It doesn't sound like a big end rattle, it's not a deep knocking. It's quiet at idle (when cold, didn't run it for long). It's nothing on the front end as the seller removed the drive belt to check. I don't think i'm going to get involved as i'm replacing the engine, i'll probably do a compression test and sell it like it is for spares. The seller thinks maybe the IMS bearing, I thought these were either good = engine runs, bad = engine doesn't run, I didn't think they give you a warning. It sounds like it's coming from the gearbox end of the engine.

Should figure out the cause of the tick before you replace the engine. They are known for noisy injectors. Might be throwing away a good engine for no reason.

Seller doesn't seem to point to IMS in the description

Ebay Description said:

It needs an engine strip down but does run so not Seized engine

Internal IMS unlikely to be that

Could be Crankshaft bearing

[ATM]

2009
Gen 2
3.4
PDK
217000 miles

11995

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224022837700

[richardxjr]

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

That's my entry to Pork Thanks a lot to this very thread.

Not massively endowed with options but has what I need. (Gingers, 17" S Twists, Climate, heated seats, wind deflector) No extended leather; (sorry cmoose )
Overall drives and looks like a lovely honest 4 owner car.

Price included an early major service, plugs, brake fluid, belt.
That price also equalled what's been spent by the PO over the last 4000 miles, so most wear items dealt with recently. Lovely history with receipts.

Aftermarket Dansk exhaust was a pleasant surprise too.

Andy Walker is a treat to buy from, highly recommended.

Edited by richardxjr on Saturday 30th May 22:25

[Mogul]

Interesting that high-miles Catman.

Almost 40k miles pa avg. over the first 3 years and beyond to year 5 (2014) then light use since. Sounds like fun but would be interesting to know what maintenance/investment has been required / if the suspension and PDK are all original etc.

[pete.g]

richardxjr said:

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

That's my entry to Pork Thanks a lot to this very thread.

Not massively endowed with options but has what I need. (Gingers, 17" S Twists, Climate, heated seats, wind deflector) No extended leather; (sorry cmoose )
Overall drives and looks like a lovely honest 4 owner car.

Price included an early major service, plugs, brake fluid, belt.
That price also equalled what's been spent by the PO over the last 4000 miles, so most wear items dealt with recently. Lovely history with receipts.

Aftermarket Dansk exhaust was a pleasant surprise too.

Andy Walker is a treat to buy from, highly recommended.

Edited by richardxjr on Saturday 30th May 22:25

Good work - PO did you a big favour!

[Luke.]

Get a load of the interior of this:

https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/11400162...

[Save Ferris]

£9K 996 on Facebook

[ATM]

I agree that the simpler bumper does look better. I'm tempted to fit one to my 996.

[shalmaneser]

The lack of orange light trims and sidelights has me triggered but that does look nice otherwise.

[RMDB9]

shalmaneser said:

The lack of orange light trims and sidelights has me triggered but that does look nice otherwise.

To me it seems as if only the sidelights have been white'd but that actually suits the car and its colour.

[RMDB9]

anonymous said:

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Most cars do that. I think the 986's attraction is its MX-5ish "cheapness" as in "simple, basic, unpretentious". It does not pretend to be anything else than it actually is.

[Escy]

I'm not sure I agree about the 986 being simple or basic when compared to the MX-5, MR2, etc.

You've got a 6 cylinder engine, Brembo 4 pots front and rear, all the suspension architecture is aluminium and beautifully designed. In terms of the cabin, they are a cut above, better quality materials, better design and build quality. Much better quality roofs also. They are a proper sports car and if you ever spend a bit of time working on one you can easily see where the money went. When you look at them as a pile of components and compare to almost anything sporty at a similar price point you get so much more car for your money with the Boxster. Beautifully designed and engineered components make for expensive running costs unfortunately which seems to be their Achilles heal for the time being.

[shalmaneser]

Escy said:

I'm not sure I agree about the 986 being simple or basic when compared to the MX-5, MR2, etc.

You've got a 6 cylinder engine, Brembo 4 pots front and rear, all the suspension architecture is aluminium and beautifully designed. In terms of the cabin, they are a cut above, better quality materials, better design and build quality. Much better quality roofs also. They are a proper sports car and if you ever spend a bit of time working on one you can easily see where the money went. When you look at them as a pile of components and compare to almost anything sporty at a similar price point you get so much more car for your money with the Boxster. Beautifully designed and engineered components make for expensive running costs unfortunately which seems to be their Achilles heal for the time being.

I think it is in terms of the drive - it's top down roadster fun.

I agree totally as far as the design goes. I've done lots and lots of work to my E36 M3 and E46 M3 but getting underneath the Porsche you can totally see where the money goes. There's basically no steel underneath the car - it's remarkable really, front and rear subframes as well as literally all the suspension components are aluminium, the motor is all aluminum, must save a ton in weight and cost a fortune at the time. The e46 M3 is a generation newer and that still has steel subframes, mainly steel suspension at the back, crappy sliding calipers...

EDIT: 4k posts! Must get out more....

Edited by shalmaneser on Monday 1st June 13:14

[kingston12]

anonymous said:

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Indeed. There was (and still is) all of the c**p about ‘Poor man’s Porsche’, but in reality they were quite expensive cars compared to the Japanese roadsters and, as you say, very closely related to something more expensive still.