I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[edh]

ferrisbueller said:

shalmaneser said:

snotrag said:

Everything OE porsche is cheaper from your local Porsche dealer than from design911.

Where do you think they but them from?!

(OPCs are actually in my experience really good for trim and bits and bobs like that).

Is there a way of getting parts online direct from porsche? I hate all the faffing around with phoning up and having to pick the parts up. As a millennial if I can avoid talking on the phone I would like to do that.

OPCs often do mail order, just double check their postage prices.

Leicester post for free (I think) - well they have never asked me for extra money for postage over & above when I have collected.

[Dimebars]

Joey Deacon said:

Definitely, that would be one I would by posting on. Currently unsure if the best approach is an under £5K 986 or up the budget to £8/9K and go for an early 987. I did borrow a 987 S for a few weeks years ago and my worry is that I will hate the interior of the 986 compared to the 987.

There was an early silver 986 on eBay for £3295 last week which I inquired about, but everything was screaming wrong to me. Current owner had only owned it for two months and was claiming it was a mid life crisis purchase that was too impractical. Had an MOT with zero advisories, but it had been previously laid up for two years and the previous MOT highlighted rusty brake discs and brake pipes. I asked the seller if all these had been replaced but he claimed to know nothing as he was not mechanical (despite his purchase history showing he bought something from a Porsche breaker)

Plus I had to ask for the registration number, I think people are hiding something if they don't show it in the photos.

I was hoping someone on here had bought it as I was interested to hear what it was actually like

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-Boxster-2-5-man...

I saw that one too

eBay is full of similar cars - no history, MOT fails that would put even Porsche mechanics off and heady asking prices for lemons

I'm trying to buy something with sensible service history and acceptable MOT history. I'd be all over the "procrastinating" thread

[Speedgelb]

anonymous said:

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Missed the M97 / Cayman bit.

[richardxjr]

RiccardoG said:

(the period Porsche RTS is pure un-obtanium)..

You just missed a 986 one on Ebay for £220. Don't like them myself.

[Filibuster]

Dimebars said:

Joey Deacon said:

Definitely, that would be one I would by posting on. Currently unsure if the best approach is an under £5K 986 or up the budget to £8/9K and go for an early 987. I did borrow a 987 S for a few weeks years ago and my worry is that I will hate the interior of the 986 compared to the 987.

There was an early silver 986 on eBay for £3295 last week which I inquired about, but everything was screaming wrong to me. Current owner had only owned it for two months and was claiming it was a mid life crisis purchase that was too impractical. Had an MOT with zero advisories, but it had been previously laid up for two years and the previous MOT highlighted rusty brake discs and brake pipes. I asked the seller if all these had been replaced but he claimed to know nothing as he was not mechanical (despite his purchase history showing he bought something from a Porsche breaker)

Plus I had to ask for the registration number, I think people are hiding something if they don't show it in the photos.

I was hoping someone on here had bought it as I was interested to hear what it was actually like

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-Boxster-2-5-man...

I saw that one too

eBay is full of similar cars - no history, MOT fails that would put even Porsche mechanics off and heady asking prices for lemons

I'm trying to buy something with sensible service history and acceptable MOT history. I'd be all over the "procrastinating" thread

Seller even didn't know the colour of the interior

To be fair, we are talking about a 21 year old car for little money.
The seller welcomes everybody to have a look and do their own inspection of the car. Also he welcomes questions.
He did give you the reg. number, didn't he?

What else do you expect the seller to do?
I bought my 997 also from a dubious ad that turned out to be simply badly written by someone who simply isn't a professional car dealer.
All this was only to my advantage, otherwise somebody else would have bought before I did.

Again, you can't expect a perfect 20 year old Porsche with a perfect ad in the style of a professional dealer, not at that price point.
It does exist, but it's the exception, not the norm.

And isn't that gamble part of the game?

I really liked the colour combination of that Boxster and the general look of the car condition.
Also I like the original radio is present. The ad sounds very fair and there really is a possibility the reasons stated by the seller are true.
Of course caution is important, but I would have gone around to have a look at the car and have an inspection myself.

If a 3 year old MOT mentioning rusty brake discs bother you, I this poverty Pork game might not be for you.

[tomtom]

The Autotrader ad for my 987 was hilariously bad. Something like "2006 Boxster, grey, 85,000 miles". That was it. One blurry photo.

It was only a couple of miles from me so I thought I'd go take a look anyway, see another car and all that. Ended up being an absolute bargain. Don't be put off by a crappy advert, just size up the seller as you would normally.

[anonymous-user]

Filibuster said:

Dimebars said:

Joey Deacon said:

Definitely, that would be one I would by posting on. Currently unsure if the best approach is an under £5K 986 or up the budget to £8/9K and go for an early 987. I did borrow a 987 S for a few weeks years ago and my worry is that I will hate the interior of the 986 compared to the 987.

There was an early silver 986 on eBay for £3295 last week which I inquired about, but everything was screaming wrong to me. Current owner had only owned it for two months and was claiming it was a mid life crisis purchase that was too impractical. Had an MOT with zero advisories, but it had been previously laid up for two years and the previous MOT highlighted rusty brake discs and brake pipes. I asked the seller if all these had been replaced but he claimed to know nothing as he was not mechanical (despite his purchase history showing he bought something from a Porsche breaker)

Plus I had to ask for the registration number, I think people are hiding something if they don't show it in the photos.

I was hoping someone on here had bought it as I was interested to hear what it was actually like

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-Boxster-2-5-man...

I saw that one too

eBay is full of similar cars - no history, MOT fails that would put even Porsche mechanics off and heady asking prices for lemons

I'm trying to buy something with sensible service history and acceptable MOT history. I'd be all over the "procrastinating" thread

Seller even didn't know the colour of the interior

To be fair, we are talking about a 21 year old car for little money.
The seller welcomes everybody to have a look and do their own inspection of the car. Also he welcomes questions.
He did give you the reg. number, didn't he?

What else do you expect the seller to do?
I bought my 997 also from a dubious ad that turned out to be simply badly written by someone who simply isn't a professional car dealer.
All this was only to my advantage, otherwise somebody else would have bought before I did.

Again, you can't expect a perfect 20 year old Porsche with a perfect ad in the style of a professional dealer, not at that price point.
It does exist, but it's the exception, not the norm.

And isn't that gamble part of the game?

I really liked the colour combination of that Boxster and the general look of the car condition.
Also I like the original radio is present. The ad sounds very fair and there really is a possibility the reasons stated by the seller are true.
Of course caution is important, but I would have gone around to have a look at the car and have an inspection myself.

If a 3 year old MOT mentioning rusty brake discs bother you, I this poverty Pork game might not be for you.

I agree with everything you have said, if it had been slightly closer and I had slightly bigger balls I probably would have had a look and bought it. The positives were I only want a silver one with black/grey interior and the mileage was low. I also want something that has not been messed around with and the original stereo was a good sign of that.

He did say one of the front brakes was getting hot so it probably had at least one binding caliper, but for £3k it was probably worth the risk.

[Filibuster]

Joey Deacon said:

Filibuster said:

Dimebars said:

Joey Deacon said:

Definitely, that would be one I would by posting on. Currently unsure if the best approach is an under £5K 986 or up the budget to £8/9K and go for an early 987. I did borrow a 987 S for a few weeks years ago and my worry is that I will hate the interior of the 986 compared to the 987.

There was an early silver 986 on eBay for £3295 last week which I inquired about, but everything was screaming wrong to me. Current owner had only owned it for two months and was claiming it was a mid life crisis purchase that was too impractical. Had an MOT with zero advisories, but it had been previously laid up for two years and the previous MOT highlighted rusty brake discs and brake pipes. I asked the seller if all these had been replaced but he claimed to know nothing as he was not mechanical (despite his purchase history showing he bought something from a Porsche breaker)

Plus I had to ask for the registration number, I think people are hiding something if they don't show it in the photos.

I was hoping someone on here had bought it as I was interested to hear what it was actually like

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-Boxster-2-5-man...

I saw that one too

eBay is full of similar cars - no history, MOT fails that would put even Porsche mechanics off and heady asking prices for lemons

I'm trying to buy something with sensible service history and acceptable MOT history. I'd be all over the "procrastinating" thread

Seller even didn't know the colour of the interior

To be fair, we are talking about a 21 year old car for little money.
The seller welcomes everybody to have a look and do their own inspection of the car. Also he welcomes questions.
He did give you the reg. number, didn't he?

What else do you expect the seller to do?
I bought my 997 also from a dubious ad that turned out to be simply badly written by someone who simply isn't a professional car dealer.
All this was only to my advantage, otherwise somebody else would have bought before I did.

Again, you can't expect a perfect 20 year old Porsche with a perfect ad in the style of a professional dealer, not at that price point.
It does exist, but it's the exception, not the norm.

And isn't that gamble part of the game?

I really liked the colour combination of that Boxster and the general look of the car condition.
Also I like the original radio is present. The ad sounds very fair and there really is a possibility the reasons stated by the seller are true.
Of course caution is important, but I would have gone around to have a look at the car and have an inspection myself.

If a 3 year old MOT mentioning rusty brake discs bother you, I this poverty Pork game might not be for you.

I agree with everything you have said, if it had been slightly closer and I had slightly bigger balls I probably would have had a look and bought it. The positives were I only want a silver one with black/grey interior and the mileage was low. I also want something that has not been messed around with and the original stereo was a good sign of that.

He did say one of the front brakes was getting hot so it probably had at least one binding caliper, but for £3k it was probably worth the risk.

Great to hear! Of course, being cautious and buying with the eyes wide open is crucial, but in the end it still is a little gamble

BTW the interior colour on that Boxster was dark blue (Metropol ?) with corresponding roof, which is a lovely combination to a silver convertible.

[ATM]

Speedgelb said:

shalmaneser said:

Some guy on the Internet says 3.4 is 96mm bore and 78mm while 3.6 is 96mm bore and 82.2mm stroke. 3.9 presumably still safely oversquare.

3.7 and 3.9 use 100mm pistons, so 'more' oversquare than stock. In fact, pretty sure the pistons and conrod combo used is lighter than stock, so should be revvier...

Will a 3.7 suffice - does that keep the 3.4 crank?

[Speedgelb]

ATM said:

Will a 3.7 suffice - does that keep the 3.4 crank?

Don't know in the case of the M97. I incorrectly assumed the M97 3.4 / 3.6 / 3.8 shared the same stroke (and possibly crank), but the 3.4 has a shorter stroke than the rest.

Both the larger engines share the same stroke as the 3.6 M96, and all three engines can be turned into a 3.9l with 100mm pistons. M96 3.4 turns into a 3.7 due to the shorter stroke. Can't comment on the 3.4 M97 engine, but if it shares the same bore / stroke with the M96, would think it could also be built into a 3.7 with the existing crank.

[youngsyr]

Speedgelb said:

ATM said:

Will a 3.7 suffice - does that keep the 3.4 crank?

Don't know in the case of the M97. I incorrectly assumed the M97 3.4 / 3.6 / 3.8 shared the same stroke (and possibly crank), but the 3.4 has a shorter stroke than the rest.

Both the larger engines share the same stroke as the 3.6 M96, and all three engines can be turned into a 3.9l with 100mm pistons. M96 3.4 turns into a 3.7 due to the shorter stroke. Can't comment on the 3.4 M97 engine, but if it shares the same bore / stroke with the M96, would think it could also be built into a 3.7 with the existing crank.

Just an idle thought, but is it that much work to drop in a 3.6 crank and rods at the same time you bore it out to 100mm?

Will obviously increase the cost, but the rods and pistons are coming out and the pistons are being replaced anyway?

[Speedgelb]

youngsyr said:

Just an idle thought, but is it that much work to drop in a 3.6 crank and rods at the same time you bore it out to 100mm?

Will obviously increase the cost, but the rods and pistons are coming out and the pistons are being replaced anyway?

Not sure how much a 3.6 crank is (and if you're going to all that effort, so may as well go new / reconditioned), but in the case of the 3.2 / 3.4l M96 at least, it's not a direct fit. The block is slightly different. It is possible to machine / modify it, but then, it'd be easier to just start with a 3.6.

Really, would you feel short changed having 'only' a 3.7, rather than a 3.9?

[ATM]

BillyB said:

ATM said:

Right

My mate bought a 996.2 about 2 years ago probably inspired by my 996.1 purchase. He has been spending on some bits here and there and keeps talking about a suspension refresh as his dampers look very very old. But he can still enjoy the car now without the newer bits. It might feel better when it gets the newer bits but it doesnt feel totally rubbish to him without.

Ignorance is bliss

(I'm in the "£2k suspension crowd". I thought my (admittedly much older) 964 drove fine until I completely refreshed the suspension. It was night-and-day different. But in all seriousness, ignorance is bliss and if he is happy with how it drives now why change it)

He has a bit of OCD. He can spend 6 hours on a Saturday cleaning one car. He used to have a 135i which would get this pampering that I couldn't understand. He is also handy with a spanner and is happy tackling jobs that I'd give to a mechanic. I think when you add all that up its the demons in his head which keep chip chipping away at him. I think he doesn't really love the 996. So hopefully this gives him some balance. It's a shame we can't tackle the suspension refresh in chunks rather than having to go the whole hog in one hit.

All this talk about exhaust clamps and manifold studs rusting to oblivion makes me feel like I need to never look underneath mine. Ignorance definitely is bliss but I see some rusty bits on the leading edge of my skirt and the trailing edge of my wing and I know there might be some unpleasantness going on down there.

[shalmaneser]

ATM said:

BillyB said:

ATM said:

Right

My mate bought a 996.2 about 2 years ago probably inspired by my 996.1 purchase. He has been spending on some bits here and there and keeps talking about a suspension refresh as his dampers look very very old. But he can still enjoy the car now without the newer bits. It might feel better when it gets the newer bits but it doesnt feel totally rubbish to him without.

Ignorance is bliss

(I'm in the "£2k suspension crowd". I thought my (admittedly much older) 964 drove fine until I completely refreshed the suspension. It was night-and-day different. But in all seriousness, ignorance is bliss and if he is happy with how it drives now why change it)

He has a bit of OCD. He can spend 6 hours on a Saturday cleaning one car. He used to have a 135i which would get this pampering that I couldn't understand. He is also handy with a spanner and is happy tackling jobs that I'd give to a mechanic. I think when you add all that up its the demons in his head which keep chip chipping away at him. I think he doesn't really love the 996. So hopefully this gives him some balance. It's a shame we can't tackle the suspension refresh in chunks rather than having to go the whole hog in one hit.

All this talk about exhaust clamps and manifold studs rusting to oblivion makes me feel like I need to never look underneath mine. Ignorance definitely is bliss but I see some rusty bits on the leading edge of my skirt and the trailing edge of my wing and I know there might be some unpleasantness going on down there.

I did my suspension in separate chunks - front coffin arms, rear coffin arms, front tuning forks, then springs and dampers. In fact I'd recommend this approach as you can identify the bits that need to be done but by bit. If you're not super concerned about getting geo done every time it's fine.

[youngsyr]

Speedgelb said:

youngsyr said:

Just an idle thought, but is it that much work to drop in a 3.6 crank and rods at the same time you bore it out to 100mm?

Will obviously increase the cost, but the rods and pistons are coming out and the pistons are being replaced anyway?

Not sure how much a 3.6 crank is (and if you're going to all that effort, so may as well go new / reconditioned), but in the case of the 3.2 / 3.4l M96 at least, it's not a direct fit. The block is slightly different. It is possible to machine / modify it, but then, it'd be easier to just start with a 3.6.

Really, would you feel short changed having 'only' a 3.7, rather than a 3.9?

An honest answer to your question - after about 6 months, when I'm used to the power increase, probably yes!

My thought process is more along the lines of - if you're pulling the engine apart anyway, do it once and get the best bang for buck you possibly can.

[callahan]

I’ve just been offered a 986s 2001 with just over 80k on it by a friend for £4k before he puts it up for sale.

It sounds like the aircon is broken, needs a new wheel bearing and rear shock soon, wheels could do with a refurb and the leather dash has a crease in it, but it had a new clutch and timing belt 2000 miles ago.

I’m very tempted as it’s in my favourite colour combination, manual and my friend looks after his cars.

It seems like a great deal to me, any thoughts welcomed.

[A - W]

callahan said:

I’ve just been offered a 986s 2001 with just over 80k on it by a friend for £4k before he puts it up for sale.

It sounds like the aircon is broken, needs a new wheel bearing and rear shock soon, wheels could do with a refurb and the leather dash has a crease in it, but it had a new clutch and timing belt 2000 miles ago.

I’m very tempted as it’s in my favourite colour combination, manual and my friend looks after his cars.

It seems like a great deal to me, any thoughts welcomed.

Get it bought!

[callahan]

A - W said:

Get it bought!

Yes, probably the best advice. Hopefully going to drive it tomorrow.

[ATM]

A - W said:

callahan said:

I’ve just been offered a 986s 2001 with just over 80k on it by a friend for £4k before he puts it up for sale.

It sounds like the aircon is broken, needs a new wheel bearing and rear shock soon, wheels could do with a refurb and the leather dash has a crease in it, but it had a new clutch and timing belt 2000 miles ago.

I’m very tempted as it’s in my favourite colour combination, manual and my friend looks after his cars.

It seems like a great deal to me, any thoughts welcomed.

Get it bought!

I always prefer buying a car from someone I know if they can give me a good honest description with warts and all - assuming they're trust worthy. I've ended up with a couple of cars this way I didn't plan on buying.

[steveo3002]

timing belt?