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[gooner1]

ATM said:

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

I saw a yellow 987 this week with a black hard top and it got the colour envy monster raging inside me.

Yellow , black and green, are you Jamaican.


Btw Savannah goes very well with my Arena 2.7. ( not aimed at you ATM)

Aim elsewhere you goon.

Bless, have I upset you. ?

With a name like goon - I doubt it.

Must be the PMT then ATM.

[ATM]

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

I saw a yellow 987 this week with a black hard top and it got the colour envy monster raging inside me.

Yellow , black and green, are you Jamaican.


Btw Savannah goes very well with my Arena 2.7. ( not aimed at you ATM)

Aim elsewhere you goon.

Bless, have I upset you. ?

With a name like goon - I doubt it.

Must be the PMT then ATM.

Someone did try to break in to my house last night so my humour isn't really on point today.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[gooner1]

ATM said:

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

gooner1 said:

ATM said:

I saw a yellow 987 this week with a black hard top and it got the colour envy monster raging inside me.

Yellow , black and green, are you Jamaican.


Btw Savannah goes very well with my Arena 2.7. ( not aimed at you ATM)

Aim elsewhere you goon.

Bless, have I upset you. ?

With a name like goon - I doubt it.

Must be the PMT then ATM.

Someone did try to break in to my house last night so my humour isn't really on point today.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Understood.

[Speedgelb]

This place has gone quiet, and I'll be damned if it's all to do with the departure of Der Moose

ATM, hope you got sorted.

So, what's the gossip?

Hypothetical question: Say the going rate for a higher (100k+) miles 986 S in good condition (ie enthusiast owned, FSH, clutch done, suspension refresh, working AC, consumables with decent life, etc, etc...) is £6k ish.

What would one market it at if it had

1. Belt and braces rebuild, by the likes of Hartech / Autofarm
2. As above, but with a 3.7 l conversion

Hypothetical, of course. Appreciate the market for #2 in particular may be rather small.

[n3il123]

Perfect timing for this thread to pop up.

Due to (lack of) work i've had to put plans for a 996tt on hold so i've been browsing the classifieds for something a bit more in range and spotted this ebay Link which I quite liked the look of.. thoughts? I would like a colour rather than silver/ black and I appreciate that that cuts my choices significantly.

[shalmaneser]

1. 1 - 10k I would think for a well specced car with lots of consumables replaced (ie. suspension arms, dampers) with a nice interior, solid shell and good colour scheme.

1. 2 - Maybe the same as #1? How much value would people put on the extra shove? I think there is a market for a 996 with a hot rod engine rebuild in a GT3-lite kind of way but I'm not so sure about the same for a Boxster somehow.

[ATM]

Speedgelb said:

ATM, hope you got sorted.

Well nothing went missing so just a new window and extra security measures in place now.

Speedgelb said:

So, what's the gossip?

I can go for days now without driving. Especially since my added security measures which mean I need to jump through some more hoops before I can drive one of the Porsches.

Speedgelb said:

Hypothetical question: Say the going rate for a higher (100k+) miles 986 S in good condition (ie enthusiast owned, FSH, clutch done, suspension refresh, working AC, consumables with decent life, etc, etc...) is £6k ish.

I think 6k is a bit low for a well sorted 986. I'd say they are more like 8k. For 6 I would be surprised to see all the jobs on your list taken care of. Happy to be proven wrong because if someone can show me a well sorted 986 for 6k I'd buy it.

[snotrag]

ATM said:

I think 6k is a bit low for a well sorted 986. I'd say they are more like 8k. For 6 I would be surprised to see all the jobs on your list taken care of. Happy to be proven wrong because if someone can show me a well sorted 986 for 6k I'd buy it.

My car had all that - clutch, FULL suspension, engine mounts, rads, etc etc. It sold for £3000.

However it was a 'only' a 2.7 and had 140k miles on it (with paintwork to match).

Its not the cost - its finding one.

[ATM]

snotrag said:

ATM said:

I think 6k is a bit low for a well sorted 986. I'd say they are more like 8k. For 6 I would be surprised to see all the jobs on your list taken care of. Happy to be proven wrong because if someone can show me a well sorted 986 for 6k I'd buy it.

My car had all that - clutch, FULL suspension, engine mounts, rads, etc etc. It sold for £3000.

However it was a 'only' a 2.7 and had 140k miles on it (with paintwork to match).

Its not the cost - its finding one.

I am looking...

[snotrag]

Its tricky - I keep half an eye on 986 Boxsters and older 996's as I feel I've unfinished business but they are a particularly tricky thing to find and purchase.

I also think many sellers (particular dealers) dont put half as much effort into describing their cars as they could, so it must be easy to miss potentially good cars.

[gizlaroc]

986's are weird, the issue for me is to get them right, as in feeling how they should feel, costs the same as getting a 996 right, obviously. Problem is you won't get the same return, or rather you feel like you are never going to see a return.


In the last few months I have replaced the head unit, lost code for the PCM, so swapped it out for a Pioneer sph-da250dab Carplay unit and Metra trim, which cost £450 and has added....probably nothing?

I then had what Ii thought was a snapped spring, it was rattling around. Turns out it was the top mount worn.
So, two new top mounts, two new bearings, two new bump stops, pair of new oem springs, 2 new Bilstein dampers, two new drop links were purchased. Coffin arms and the forks were replaced a few thousand miles back and great, so seemed the sensible thing to do.

But that lot, along with a Hunter alignment was what? £1500 I guess.
Feels great, like proper great, but not added £1500 to the car, it just drives like it should drive.

Then started to think the rear felt a bit over tyred, 255 rears on that car always felt a bit too wide. So had a bash with some PS4 rears in 235 width. Far better. But that was another £250 that doesn't add value, but I wanted to try it.

Climate had a leak so had that sorted. Can't remember price, but a few quid.

Put the hood down the other night to put some Gummi Pflege on the seals and the rear plastic screen cracked!!
It was 4ºc outside, should have known better.
But bought a gen 2 hood with the glass rear screen. Nice upgrade, but another £500.

They are getting to the age where they are costing proper money to keep feeling nice and tight. It seems prices are starting to reflect this a bit, but not like some models where if you stick £3k into the car you will see it back. Not yet anyway.

[ooid]

gizlaroc said:

Put the hood down the other night to put some Gummi Pflege on the seals and the rear plastic screen cracked!!
It was 4ºc outside, should have known better.
But bought a gen 2 hood with the glass rear screen. Nice upgrade, but another £500.

ahh that famous plastic rear screen! I left mine with a gaffer tape for about 4 years!
I'm a big critic of these cars, but to be honest, if you just manage the important mechanical systems (cooling, exhaust, gearbox), and assuming the suspension is OK, then maintenance costs really "manageable" and just try not to spend so much money on cosmetics.

[Escy]

n3il123 said:

Perfect timing for this thread to pop up.

Due to (lack of) work i've had to put plans for a 996tt on hold so i've been browsing the classifieds for something a bit more in range and spotted this ebay Link which I quite liked the look of.. thoughts? I would like a colour rather than silver/ black and I appreciate that that cuts my choices significantly.

Looks nice enough on the advert. I personally wouldn't buy a 987 3.4 that's not been bore scoped, might be worth factoring that into any inspection you do.

[ATM]

Escy said:

n3il123 said:

Perfect timing for this thread to pop up.

Due to (lack of) work i've had to put plans for a 996tt on hold so i've been browsing the classifieds for something a bit more in range and spotted this ebay Link which I quite liked the look of.. thoughts? I would like a colour rather than silver/ black and I appreciate that that cuts my choices significantly.

Looks nice enough on the advert. I personally wouldn't buy a 987 3.4 that's not been bore scoped, might be worth factoring that into any inspection you do.

Buy an early 996 without turbos instead of that

[GrandAndrew]

I'm obsessed with finding a 987.2 S PDK in Speed Yellow, definitely think it carries a premium, stupidly sold my 986 S in Guards last month without thinking how hard it would be to replace it.

Hopefully returning to the fold with a stopgap on Thursday with a 2006, 3.2 987 in Seal Grey. I'm not really one for the subdued colours but just excited to potentially have one again!

[Speedgelb]

shalmaneser said:

#1 - 10k I would think for a well specced car with lots of consumables replaced (ie. suspension arms, dampers) with a nice interior, solid shell and good colour scheme.

#2 - Maybe the same as #1? How much value would people put on the extra shove? I think there is a market for a 996 with a hot rod engine rebuild in a GT3-lite kind of way but I'm not so sure about the same for a Boxster somehow.

Bear in mind that the body / interior may well have seen a few miles. But in good condition, patina aside, #1 doesn't seem like an unreasonable amount. But then, it'd have to be someone who's after a 986 specifically, as opposed to say a 987.1 at low five figures.

#2 I don't know. You'd be at similar power to a 981 GTS, if not a tad more. The 986 chassis can handle the power (as long as the suspension has been refreshed / mild upgrade). The same brakes pull up the heavier (particularly cabrio) 996.2 just fine with 320ish hp. Not sure the 986 is 'considered' a classic (the term being rather clichéd), but what's not to like about a hot rod mid-engined roadster?

ATM said:

Speedgelb said:

Hypothetical question: Say the going rate for a higher (100k+) miles 986 S in good condition (ie enthusiast owned, FSH, clutch done, suspension refresh, working AC, consumables with decent life, etc, etc...) is £6k ish.

I think 6k is a bit low for a well sorted 986. I'd say they are more like 8k. For 6 I would be surprised to see all the jobs on your list taken care of. Happy to be proven wrong because if someone can show me a well sorted 986 for 6k I'd buy it.

Values are all over the park. Mine's at 130k and has all of the above done, 986.2 roof, bypass exhaust. Original (but taken care of) paint. Just about to go all in with the suspension (Koni FSD damper / M030 springs) - not convinced I'd find a buyer if I put it up at something starting with a 6, let alone an 8 (appreciate 130k miles vs 100k miles).

ATM said:

Escy said:

n3il123 said:

Perfect timing for this thread to pop up.

Due to (lack of) work i've had to put plans for a 996tt on hold so i've been browsing the classifieds for something a bit more in range and spotted this ebay Link which I quite liked the look of.. thoughts? I would like a colour rather than silver/ black and I appreciate that that cuts my choices significantly.

Looks nice enough on the advert. I personally wouldn't buy a 987 3.4 that's not been bore scoped, might be worth factoring that into any inspection you do.

Buy an early 996 without turbos instead of that

I'd stretch the budget a little and go for a 987.2, or go for a 2.7 at a cheaper price.

[GrandAndrew]

I just sold my 986.2 for £7,850. Did have decent history, if not full, clutch done about 12,000 miles ago, only done 70,000 miles. Put the advert up on the Saturday night and deposit was taken before midday on the Sunday. Wish I’d put it up for £8,995 now! It was Guards with colour coded centre console, dash and belts with created headrests, I think that helped. Bodywork wasn’t perfect but presentable.

[shalmaneser]

ATM said:

Escy said:

n3il123 said:

Perfect timing for this thread to pop up.

Due to (lack of) work i've had to put plans for a 996tt on hold so i've been browsing the classifieds for something a bit more in range and spotted this ebay Link which I quite liked the look of.. thoughts? I would like a colour rather than silver/ black and I appreciate that that cuts my choices significantly.

Looks nice enough on the advert. I personally wouldn't buy a 987 3.4 that's not been bore scoped, might be worth factoring that into any inspection you do.

Buy an early 996 without turbos instead of that

Exactly.

[gizlaroc]

GrandAndrew said:

I just sold my 986.2 for £7,850. Did have decent history, if not full, clutch done about 12,000 miles ago, only done 70,000 miles. Put the advert up on the Saturday night and deposit was taken before midday on the Sunday. Wish I’d put it up for £8,995 now! It was Guards with colour coded centre console, dash and belts with created headrests, I think that helped. Bodywork wasn’t perfect but presentable.

That is good going imho.


Mine is a 2002 3.2 S, manual, 95k miles, serviced on time, but only got the book not a folder full of receipts.

It had rear arms done about 3 years back, but only done about 7k miles since then.
Complete front suspension overhaul recently as mentioned above.
A recon gearbox was fitted last year along with clutch and the previous said a new IMS bearing was fitted along with RMS, but said it was not an upgraded IMS bearing.

It is seal grey, black leather, xenons, Pioneer double din car play, Bose, roll bars and centre console painted in seal grey, wind deflector, gen 2 hood with glass screen, brakes really good all round, new PS4 fitted on rear 500 miles ago, fronts are Conti sport contacts with 5-6mm.

Drives absolutely lovely.

My only concern was there was a bit if an oil dripping. But the RMS was meant to have been changed and then sat for months, having only covered about 30 miles.
I have done 1500 miles in it in the last couple of months and the drip seems to have stopped, my local Porsche guy said that often happens when new seals are fitted on these and then they sit there not being used at all.

I put some card down in the garage and not a drop, so even if it is dripping it is a tiny, tiny amount.

Someone just offered me £6500 for it.

Need to decide whether to let it go and buy a Cayman, which is what I really wanted, but have got quite attached to this one, so need to sleep on it. It was an offer out of the blue, from the guy who fitted the front suspension for me. He works on lots of older Porsches and has a 986 himself, so even the offer is reassuring.

Edited by gizlaroc on Tuesday 1st December 00:38

[ATM]

gizlaroc said:

That is good going imho.


Mine is a 2002 3.2 S, manual, 95k miles, serviced on time, but only got the book not a folder full of receipts.

It had rear arms done about 3 years back, but only done about 7k miles since then.
Complete front suspension overhaul recently as mentioned above.
A recon gearbox was fitted last year along with clutch and the previous said a new IMS bearing was fitted along with RMS, but said it was not an upgraded IMS bearing.

It is seal grey, black leather, xenons, Pioneer double din car play, Bose, roll bars and centre console painted in seal grey, wind deflector, gen 2 hood with glass screen, brakes really good all round, new PS4 fitted on rear 500 miles ago, fronts are Conti sport contacts with 5-6mm.

Drives absolutely lovely.

My only concern was there was a bit if an oil dripping. But the RMS was meant to have been changed and then sat for months, having only covered about 30 miles.
I have done 1500 miles in it in the last couple of months and the drip seems to have stopped, my local Porsche guy said that often happens when new seals are fitted on these and then they sit there not being used at all.

I put some card down in the garage and not a drop, so even if it is dripping it is a tiny, tiny amount.

Someone just offered me £6500 for it.

Need to decide whether to let it go and buy a Cayman, which is what I really wanted, but have got quite attached to this one, so need to sleep on it. It was an offer out of the blue, from the guy who fitted the front suspension for me. He works on lots of older Porsches and has a 986 himself, so even the offer is reassuring.

@ £6500 I'm tempted to say I'd have that myself.