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Found the "pure madness" comment very entertaining. It's not unheard of for people to spend a significant proportion - if not more - of the cost of their car modifying it. Not just talking about big engine conversions - even mundane stuff like wheels and suspension. I'm not for / against this, but find the point of view of someone who's strongly against this odd.
Back in the day when Mk2 Golfs GTIs could be had for £1k or so, you'd see them on BBS / coilovers etc that cost more than the car. Guess these VW guys must have been mad too.
Sounds a little 'knowing the price of everything, and the value of nothing'
Back in the day when Mk2 Golfs GTIs could be had for £1k or so, you'd see them on BBS / coilovers etc that cost more than the car. Guess these VW guys must have been mad too.
Sounds a little 'knowing the price of everything, and the value of nothing'
Talking of modding things..... not sure if this should be here or in a 911 Backdate thread. I've been considering a 997 for a while after recently letting my 992 go and I've been looking at a project / backdate car, nothing ridiculous, the usual stuff, update stereo (or delete), ducktail, houndstooth / pepita trim and a bit of alcantara. Suspension refresh and a decent 'zorst to make her howl....
Came across this....
https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=3146
As she's a project car, it does not bother me as there are specialists around who can do the work and get some of the things I'd want done at the same time (clutch, exhaust etc) whilst she's on the ramps. I'd also know the problem exists and it would be sorted rather than pay £10k more and be wondering when / if the score would strike.
Its a 2-3-4 year process for me, seemed like a great starting point. I can pop her in a garage over winter on trickle, use it for 2-3k miles next summer and into Hartech next winter for a 3.9....
Came across this....
https://www.portiacraft.com/car-detail.php?id=3146
As she's a project car, it does not bother me as there are specialists around who can do the work and get some of the things I'd want done at the same time (clutch, exhaust etc) whilst she's on the ramps. I'd also know the problem exists and it would be sorted rather than pay £10k more and be wondering when / if the score would strike.
Its a 2-3-4 year process for me, seemed like a great starting point. I can pop her in a garage over winter on trickle, use it for 2-3k miles next summer and into Hartech next winter for a 3.9....
Worth bearing in mind that the £4K capped rebuild price will almost certainly be open deck steel liners, would also think only bank two at that price.
Also a reminder, not that it was needed, how widespread the problem is. Ad says they’ve sold several cars this year with known scoring on this basis.
Personally suspect there are a large number of cars out there with ‘quick and cheap’ liner replacements. Will never know for sure, but would guess at least a third of 3.4+ m97 engines have had some kind of attention for scoring by now, maybe even much higher.
Also a reminder, not that it was needed, how widespread the problem is. Ad says they’ve sold several cars this year with known scoring on this basis.
Personally suspect there are a large number of cars out there with ‘quick and cheap’ liner replacements. Will never know for sure, but would guess at least a third of 3.4+ m97 engines have had some kind of attention for scoring by now, maybe even much higher.
F6C said:
Worth bearing in mind that the £4K capped rebuild price will almost certainly be open deck steel liners, would also think only bank two at that price.
Also a reminder, not that it was needed, how widespread the problem is. Ad says they’ve sold several cars this year with known scoring on this basis.
Personally suspect there are a large number of cars out there with ‘quick and cheap’ liner replacements. Will never know for sure, but would guess at least a third of 3.4+ m97 engines have had some kind of attention for scoring by now, maybe even much higher.
Cheers, tbh, was just going to bypass the £4K bit and head straight for Hartech and budget £10k. Makes it a £32k car but a very well sorted one, I’d have confidence to wring the neck of. If I can get a low mileage season in before that then even better.Also a reminder, not that it was needed, how widespread the problem is. Ad says they’ve sold several cars this year with known scoring on this basis.
Personally suspect there are a large number of cars out there with ‘quick and cheap’ liner replacements. Will never know for sure, but would guess at least a third of 3.4+ m97 engines have had some kind of attention for scoring by now, maybe even much higher.
dgswk said:
F6C said:
Worth bearing in mind that the £4K capped rebuild price will almost certainly be open deck steel liners, would also think only bank two at that price.
Also a reminder, not that it was needed, how widespread the problem is. Ad says they’ve sold several cars this year with known scoring on this basis.
Personally suspect there are a large number of cars out there with ‘quick and cheap’ liner replacements. Will never know for sure, but would guess at least a third of 3.4+ m97 engines have had some kind of attention for scoring by now, maybe even much higher.
Cheers, tbh, was just going to bypass the £4K bit and head straight for Hartech and budget £10k. Makes it a £32k car but a very well sorted one, I’d have confidence to wring the neck of. If I can get a low mileage season in before that then even better.Also a reminder, not that it was needed, how widespread the problem is. Ad says they’ve sold several cars this year with known scoring on this basis.
Personally suspect there are a large number of cars out there with ‘quick and cheap’ liner replacements. Will never know for sure, but would guess at least a third of 3.4+ m97 engines have had some kind of attention for scoring by now, maybe even much higher.
Escy said:
Yeah, I've seen a few Hartech rebuilt cars in the low 20's. An engine rebuild seems to add little to the value of a car. It's a mugs game unless you keep it long term.
Good feedback, I’ve been looking for a while and haven’t seen anything sub-20k in a good few months, knackered engine or not.Tired stuff seems to start at £25k going through to £35k in current market.
Escy said:
Yeah, I've seen a few Hartech rebuilt cars in the low 20's. An engine rebuild seems to add little to the value of a car. It's a mugs game unless you keep it long term.
Got to disagree with that statement, maybe a micky mouse rebuild by some back street garage no one has heard of may not add much. A car with a recent Hartech rebuild with receipts to prove what was done will always get top dollar Escy said:
I was looking about 8 months ago as my old man was considering one. Maybe the market has rocketed since then.
Probably, I've only started looking in the last three months. It will be a keeper, so really couldn't care less about re-sale. Just want something tidy to start with - body and interior wise at least. Get the mechanicals sorted so its in a good place, then start backdating it a bit.By the way, love your V6 Boxster projects, its given me a great deal of pleasure following your threads, really felt for you when your old one went up in smoke. What a comeback!
dgswk said:
Probably, I've only started looking in the last three months. It will be a keeper, so really couldn't care less about re-sale. Just want something tidy to start with - body and interior wise at least. Get the mechanicals sorted so its in a good place, then start backdating it a bit.
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How do you back date a 997?!
Not meaning to sound sarcastic but why not start with an older 911 which would be an early 996 obviously...
ATM said:
How do you back date a 997?
Not meaning to sound sarcastic but why not start with an older 911 which would be an early 996 obviously...
Just don’t fancy a 996, I know it would make more sense, and probably a more analogue drive, just prefer the 997 and there isn't a lot in it in terms of ££££ when looking about.Not meaning to sound sarcastic but why not start with an older 911 which would be an early 996 obviously...
ATM said:
How do you back date a 997?
Not meaning to sound sarcastic but why not start with an older 911 which would be an early 996 obviously...
They probably mean cosmetically - duck tail, fuchs, houndstooth, wooden gear knob, green tint, decals - that kind of stuff....rather than a back date body change.Not meaning to sound sarcastic but why not start with an older 911 which would be an early 996 obviously...
julian987R said:
Bluedot said:
Just looked on AT at 987 Caymans, cheapest on there is £11k
Still can't believe how much they've increased in price.
a few years ago I was predicting a 987.1 base would be sub £5K - how wrong was I ?!Still can't believe how much they've increased in price.
Even £20K now doesn't get you much.
ATM said:
julian987R said:
Bluedot said:
Just looked on AT at 987 Caymans, cheapest on there is £11k
Still can't believe how much they've increased in price.
a few years ago I was predicting a 987.1 base would be sub £5K - how wrong was I ?!Still can't believe how much they've increased in price.
Even £20K now doesn't get you much.
there are fantastic ones at £20K, even a bit less.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112030...
or just over a concours quality one.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108266...
Unsure which country you are in, but you'd NOT struggle to get a working 986 for £20k in the Uk.
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