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red_slr said:
The turbo is always going to be mega money. Look at the Cayenne. Diesel is £47k base, the Turbo £90k. Thats £43k in the difference!
Same car of course, but my god thats one heck of a jump. Dont even look at the Turbo S.. 2.3 x the price of the base car.
I could see the Macan Turbo being the best part of 80 large..
I'd be amazed if that was true - I mean why wouldn't you just go the extra £10k and have a V8 turbo, instead of an audi-sourced v6 biturbo? I reckon much more than £70k and nobody would buy it - I mean how much is an RS6 these days if you want 4WD and practicality? Isn't that £75k-ish, in basic trim? All-in cost of the Macan would need to be in the £70k ball-park at an absolute max to sell IMHO.Same car of course, but my god thats one heck of a jump. Dont even look at the Turbo S.. 2.3 x the price of the base car.
I could see the Macan Turbo being the best part of 80 large..
I would guess £60k basic, and £70k with reasonable options.
J-P said:
I'd be amazed if that was true - I mean why wouldn't you just go the extra £10k and have a V8 turbo, instead of an audi-sourced v6 biturbo? I reckon much more than £70k and nobody would buy it - I mean how much is an RS6 these days if you want 4WD and practicality? Isn't that £75k-ish, in basic trim? All-in cost of the Macan would need to be in the £70k ball-park at an absolute max to sell IMHO.
I would guess £60k basic, and £70k with reasonable options.
You wont get an RS6 for £75k in reality. The dynamic package is £10k. The top leather package is £9k.. thats £19k before you spec anything.I would guess £60k basic, and £70k with reasonable options.
Ok, you dont need either, but you get my drift. I think the basic full leather is £5k. I think the average RS6 works out around the low 90s.
My RS6 (V10) was £81k, and its not got a few of the big options (ceramics, buckets, radar). Got almost everything else though
J-P said:
I'd be amazed if that was true - I mean why wouldn't you just go the extra £10k and have a V8 turbo, instead of an audi-sourced v6 biturbo? I reckon much more than £70k and nobody would buy it - I mean how much is an RS6 these days if you want 4WD and practicality? Isn't that £75k-ish, in basic trim? All-in cost of the Macan would need to be in the £70k ball-park at an absolute max to sell IMHO.
I would guess £60k basic, and £70k with reasonable options.
While I agree about cayenne vs macan turbo price differential, playing devil's advocate here, isn't this a similar argument to the new RRS vs the full-fat? The more expensive models with the V8s have overlap in price especially when you go into Autobiography trim and start adding options? I think each model will have its own character and therefore buyer demographic and if LR can do it, you can bet Porsche will try it tooI would guess £60k basic, and £70k with reasonable options.
Fezzaman said:
J-P said:
I'd be amazed if that was true - I mean why wouldn't you just go the extra £10k and have a V8 turbo, instead of an audi-sourced v6 biturbo? I reckon much more than £70k and nobody would buy it - I mean how much is an RS6 these days if you want 4WD and practicality? Isn't that £75k-ish, in basic trim? All-in cost of the Macan would need to be in the £70k ball-park at an absolute max to sell IMHO.
I would guess £60k basic, and £70k with reasonable options.
While I agree about cayenne vs macan turbo price differential, playing devil's advocate here, isn't this a similar argument to the new RRS vs the full-fat? The more expensive models with the V8s have overlap in price especially when you go into Autobiography trim and start adding options? I think each model will have its own character and therefore buyer demographic and if LR can do it, you can bet Porsche will try it tooI would guess £60k basic, and £70k with reasonable options.
A Cayenne diesel S is £58k without options, you could get one of those for £70k easily and get about the same fuel consumption (or better) and outright pace that wouldn't be a million miles off - OK it's the fuel of satan but still, you'd have to really want a Macan to pay £80k + and I can't see that the market is big enough for that car for what at the end of the day is still a junior SUV.
By the way I think that RR have dropped a clanger on pricing personally, but that's probably just me
About as likely to be standard suspension as Ferrari is to provide a standard car for testing...
The car looked to me to perform quite differently from one segment of the clip to the next. The suspension looked a world firmer at times than at others (see one of the last banking corners when the car sinks inches onto the outside wheels).
The car looked to me to perform quite differently from one segment of the clip to the next. The suspension looked a world firmer at times than at others (see one of the last banking corners when the car sinks inches onto the outside wheels).
Interesting on the sand dune video at 24 secs, you can see the silver tape used to disguise the shape of the rear 3/4 glass.
But does the silver tape actually represent the window shape of the finished product, or is hiding from us what the finished product will actually look like? Time will tell.
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/macan/uk.aspx#/ar...
But does the silver tape actually represent the window shape of the finished product, or is hiding from us what the finished product will actually look like? Time will tell.
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/macan/uk.aspx#/ar...
J-P said:
Actually RRS vs RR argument is a no-brainer from my perspective - RRS is more practical (can have +2 seats in the back), more fuel-efficient, near as damnit as comfortable and better overall to drive. Has less feel good factor though and isn't quite as opulent. But Macan vs Cayenne? both have same seat configuration, Cayenne has more space, they look all but identical, Cayenne is already impressive to drive if there's hardly any difference in price - why would you get the Macan? More to the point, if you're spending £80k, surely you'd look at other options in this price bracket, OK you may not buy an RS6 with no options on it - but I'm sure you could get something that would be fine for what? £82-£85k? And that's assuming you aren't able to negotiate a discount, which I reckon you could given the competition (M5 and E63) are both being discounted. There will be overlap for the models, I just don't think that there'll be a massive overlap.
A Cayenne diesel S is £58k without options, you could get one of those for £70k easily and get about the same fuel consumption (or better) and outright pace that wouldn't be a million miles off - OK it's the fuel of satan but still, you'd have to really want a Macan to pay £80k + and I can't see that the market is big enough for that car for what at the end of the day is still a junior SUV.
By the way I think that RR have dropped a clanger on pricing personally, but that's probably just me
Exactly, coupled with the X3/Q5/Evoke pricing. The competition is very good. Porsche must be no more than 10% north like for like. My call being a Turbo for £70k with decent spec. The cayenne is within the price delta cf the X5. X5 30D =£53K, call it £60k with a decent spec(Cayenne 3.0D is about 65k for similar spec. X5 50D = £63k, call it £70k with decent spec. Cayenne Diesel S is £75k with comparable spec.A Cayenne diesel S is £58k without options, you could get one of those for £70k easily and get about the same fuel consumption (or better) and outright pace that wouldn't be a million miles off - OK it's the fuel of satan but still, you'd have to really want a Macan to pay £80k + and I can't see that the market is big enough for that car for what at the end of the day is still a junior SUV.
By the way I think that RR have dropped a clanger on pricing personally, but that's probably just me
BMW X3 30D is about £47k with decent spec...Macan+5k. 52k with decent spec? To succeed they must hit a price point and if it's over 55k buyers will shop elsewhere
Fashion is why MOST people buy SUVs. A small SUV presses different fashion buttons from those pressed by a big 4*4. For that reason, the Macan can come damn close to Cayenne pricing without it being much of a problem.
If people actually wanted/needed the car as a 4*4, the Macan would have to be much cheaper (because it is much less car), but that isnt a strong market factor.
Imagine the conversation in the dealership:-
Buyer: What more do I get in a Cayenne? It's only 5k more.
OPC: It is better off road. It is also bigger, obviously, so can carry more kit, etc.
Buyer: It will only be me and the two kids on the school run in Chelsea. My friends say its big enough.
OPC: May as well go for the Macan, then.
(I know PHers dont buy cars for these reasons, so dont waste time telling me how important 4*4 functionality is to you. We are talking about pricing here. And our wants/needs and opinions are largely irrelevant as to pricing, because we are the few and the buyer above is the many.)
If people actually wanted/needed the car as a 4*4, the Macan would have to be much cheaper (because it is much less car), but that isnt a strong market factor.
Imagine the conversation in the dealership:-
Buyer: What more do I get in a Cayenne? It's only 5k more.
OPC: It is better off road. It is also bigger, obviously, so can carry more kit, etc.
Buyer: It will only be me and the two kids on the school run in Chelsea. My friends say its big enough.
OPC: May as well go for the Macan, then.
(I know PHers dont buy cars for these reasons, so dont waste time telling me how important 4*4 functionality is to you. We are talking about pricing here. And our wants/needs and opinions are largely irrelevant as to pricing, because we are the few and the buyer above is the many.)
ORD said:
Fashion is why MOST people buy SUVs. A small SUV presses different fashion buttons from those pressed by a big 4*4. For that reason, the Macan can come damn close to Cayenne pricing without it being much of a problem.
If people actually wanted/needed the car as a 4*4, the Macan would have to be much cheaper (because it is much less car), but that isnt a strong market factor.
Imagine the conversation in the dealership:-
Buyer: What more do I get in a Cayenne? It's only 5k more.
OPC: It is better off road. It is also bigger, obviously, so can carry more kit, etc.
Buyer: It will only be me and the two kids on the school run in Chelsea. My friends say its big enough.
OPC: May as well go for the Macan, then.
(I know PHers dont buy cars for these reasons, so dont waste time telling me how important 4*4 functionality is to you. We are talking about pricing here. And our wants/needs and opinions are largely irrelevant as to pricing, because we are the few and the buyer above is the many.)
Disagree.If people actually wanted/needed the car as a 4*4, the Macan would have to be much cheaper (because it is much less car), but that isnt a strong market factor.
Imagine the conversation in the dealership:-
Buyer: What more do I get in a Cayenne? It's only 5k more.
OPC: It is better off road. It is also bigger, obviously, so can carry more kit, etc.
Buyer: It will only be me and the two kids on the school run in Chelsea. My friends say its big enough.
OPC: May as well go for the Macan, then.
(I know PHers dont buy cars for these reasons, so dont waste time telling me how important 4*4 functionality is to you. We are talking about pricing here. And our wants/needs and opinions are largely irrelevant as to pricing, because we are the few and the buyer above is the many.)
A car with links to the Q5 needs to be priced in the same ballpark as the Q5, albeit there will be the usual Porsche premium!
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