JMG 930 on eBay
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Sorry Steve, I wish you had as well, you would have given it a cracking home and she would have
repaid you over and over again
Since you took a look around her, she has had a new windscreen, the seats are back to the originals I had in storage with the red piping and the original flag mirrors are back on her, not to mention she has been serviced and has a fresh MOT.
You still could bid on her, still a good deal! Pop down and take a look!
repaid you over and over again
Since you took a look around her, she has had a new windscreen, the seats are back to the originals I had in storage with the red piping and the original flag mirrors are back on her, not to mention she has been serviced and has a fresh MOT.
You still could bid on her, still a good deal! Pop down and take a look!
mollytherocker said:
Why dont you just finish it and sell it for 40k+?
To be honest, I am not a car dealer and if I was I would be a bancrupt one. Anyone who has bought a car from me would agree that not only would I only sell it once I knew that it would not just outlive a warranty period without an issue, but if someone buys a car from me and mentioned any fault, even something petty like slow electric windows on one side, I would just put in a new window regulator, regardless of if the new owner was bothered by it or not, and that attitude goes beyond the warrnaty period and that buyer will get discounted repairs for life because I would feel guilty that they had bought one of my cars and X years later it developed a fault. So, I think you get the impression, I worry about my reputation more than I do profit.If I sell a car that I have repainted after heat damage from a fire, I get a reputation for selling a car that was fire damaged and someone paid top money for it. That would cast doubt on every car I sold.. The public might not think that, but I would feel that.
However if I sell a car, warts and all, and whoever buys it finds it is exactly how I have described it, is pleased that it ends up being a great 930 with a respray which costs them no where near the difference between what a mint one costs and what they pay for it, then not only is my conscience clear, but also everyone they tell the story to will know (hopefully) that I could have patched it up and made more profit, but instead I did the honest thing and someone benefited.
Even though it is being sold as a project, but I do honestly believe that there are going to be no suprises with this car for whoever buys it, and I welcome them visiting this thread in the future and publicly saying if they think I have not disclosed anything or it costs them more, it is worth a lot for me not having insomnia that this is a car I am selling without a warranty.. When I sell a car which is already perfect, usually I have used it myself for months, I still change parts which are not worn out, spend a fortune on double checking everything is perfect and will not let anyone down, but I STILL worry about that car for months and chase people up checking they are happy with the car.
Don't get me wrong... I bought this car 2 years ago.. Cast your memory back to what they were selling for as mint examples back then, and I got a good deal on it back then for the condition it was in.. So I am making money on it, I make no bones about it, if it only sells for what it is at today (£20k and change) then I have made a tidy profit.
So... These are some of the reasons from my head of why I am selling her as she stands.
Now my heart..
4 and a half years ago my wife passed away and left my 3 sons without a mum.. Last year I found myself in the Nurburgring hospital with a what was first a nasty knee injury which eventually found me back in a UK hospital having developed into blood clots, 24 pulmonary embolisms in one lung alone with only 10% lung function, pneumonia, pleurisy, bronchitis, several heart attacks and having to have my chest cavity drained with a less than 20% expected chance of survival.. This kind of brings home your mortality and the prospect of how easily I could be "brown bread" and how easily my sons could be orphaned.
What has this got to do with selling a 930 cheap? Well at that point I had over 20 Porsche in my private collection and of them all, this 930 had the greatest potential to kill me. If you look at the tuning list, it is well specified and 425 BHP at only 0.7 bar of boost, on a car set up to take up to 1.2 bar of boost, remembering that a 930 is much lighter weight that a 996 Turbo, has no traction control, ABS or stability management, is quite a handful.. This one has never been used in anger, but if it was painted I would be put into a seriously tormented state as someone who likes power and being on the limit when on track. After all, the 930 did used to have the pet name "Widdow Maker"
Torment because once painted, I would probably become precious about her, she would become a garage queen and yet I would yearn to take her on a track and give her a thrashing.. The same thing happened with my 993RS which I sold in 2002, and my 968CS which I sold in 2009.. Both cars started out rough around the edges but awesome fun, but once I they were "mint", they became torture, "Too nice to rag, too fast to leave parked"... Yet were also torture to sell because I really did love those cars and miss them to this day.
So, it's a lot easier to sell the 930 now, before she is painted, before I get to like her, before I risk her killing me on the Nurburgrng and before I lavish too much love onto her and end up with a paradox of the "too nice to rag" situation.
So, there you go, I am a daft bugger.. And once I get over my health issues and put them behind me, and find myself going to the ring again, which will happen, I might regret selling her.. But I have other Porsche which I already own and am hooked on, so it will be in one of those that I will be risking my life in!
Besides, any of you know how much of a nightmare it is to administrate 20 odd Porsche with road tax renewals, SORN declarations, Insurance M.I.D and the legal implications of what happens when you forget any of this? I say I will get down to just 3 Porsche cars I love.. But to be honest, every time I think about getting the money out of the 930, my first reaction is "maybe I should buy a 9?? to make me feel better about it".. Buying cars is either an addiction or it is my version of comfort eating and every one of them has the chance of becoming the previously mentioned paradox!
So yeah.. The 930 had to get sold before getting painted!
Not to mention that in the two years of owning it, the workshop have been too busy to work on it.. Customers cars come first, mine are always at the bottom of the schedule.. If someone buys this and asks us to do the work, it would be just like all the other customers jobs which push my cars down that schedule.
Which is the way it should be, but as long as I am in charge and my name is on the log book, it probably will not get dedicated time to even take it to the spray shop, let alone partially strip it for paint ready for them...
Which is the other problem, back in the 90's I was an accomplished car refinisher. I was a Porsche specialist by day and painted a select few cars to show quality by night.. I no longer have the time, equipment and health to do it myself (let alone water based paints are voodoo), but would be sent nuts by the slightest defect that most people would not notice, by anyone else who painted her.
Hmmm... I keep on just convincing myself I am doing the right thing.. you can tell..
Which is the way it should be, but as long as I am in charge and my name is on the log book, it probably will not get dedicated time to even take it to the spray shop, let alone partially strip it for paint ready for them...
Which is the other problem, back in the 90's I was an accomplished car refinisher. I was a Porsche specialist by day and painted a select few cars to show quality by night.. I no longer have the time, equipment and health to do it myself (let alone water based paints are voodoo), but would be sent nuts by the slightest defect that most people would not notice, by anyone else who painted her.
Hmmm... I keep on just convincing myself I am doing the right thing.. you can tell..
Wow what a topic,and a honest one I hope you get a better price, and your health improves family comes first.
There is a certain love, people have for a 930 like you say prices have gone up in the last few year.
Many people are watching, this advert with interest due to values, condition etc.
There is someone in the Porsche Post, with a advert looking for project 930's in the last few months.
I wish you well and goodluck.
There is a certain love, people have for a 930 like you say prices have gone up in the last few year.
Many people are watching, this advert with interest due to values, condition etc.
There is someone in the Porsche Post, with a advert looking for project 930's in the last few months.
I wish you well and goodluck.
Edited by SEE YA on Friday 11th April 09:01
Air cooled cars are indeed heading for the stars. The last time I watched such a change in fortunes for a type of car like this it was for the Dino 246.
I always wanted a Dino 246 since I was a child, and to be honest, I think I not only liked its looks, but also liked it that it was the underdog! In ferrari circles people used to poke fun at them and say they were "not a real ferrari".
Back in 1995 I was buying my first house of my own and had £20k as a deposit but only really needed £8k... As I walked by Bramshaws who were a supercar dealer in Bournemouth at the time, I noticed they had a silver 1971 Dino 246GT for sale for £12k.. I was seriously tempted to buy it, but did the grown up thing and used all my money to buy the house... Yeah the house value went through the roof, but have you seen what happened to values of the 246 Dino GT?? Pretty sure when I last looked a Dino like that was worth ten times what I could have paid for it. Meanwhile the house went up by a factor of 5.. Who would have thought a kids dream car could out perform bricks and mortar as an investment? And the Dino at that!
Just uploaded more photos and details to the ebay auction and have some more being taken today as well.. My original ebay photo bundle was a bit half arsed as I thought it would maybe be at todays price towards the end of the auction, so it deserved a bit more detail.. So some pictures of the interior, original wing mirrors back on are uploaded and now on the auction. and later today some pictures of the fabspeed exhaust (heat exchangers etc) also showing the NOT oil soaked engine (yet not cleaned) and some of the service history.
I think some of you might actually be getting the picture with this car, I know in this world not everything is as simple as it seems, but seriously, this car just needs a respray, light cluster and a missing bumper gator as a minimum.. But I always think a car looks bad with fresh paint and old rubbers (not a back to black fan) so that is the only reason I mentioned a £1k in bits of rubber before... Other than that, I think this 930 will have teething issues, more to do with not being used properly for 2 years more than anything else, so gremlins more than anything to get worked up about.
Thanks for the good wishes, health is getting there, the latest is just my kidneys grumbling after 6 months of some serious trauma and medication... I guess having prescribed rat poison for 6 months on its own is going to cause some issues.. Within a few months I will be firing on all cylinders and probably being silly on the Ring again! But on the other hand, it has been a bit of a scare that I am not indestructible.. Human nature I guess!
I always wanted a Dino 246 since I was a child, and to be honest, I think I not only liked its looks, but also liked it that it was the underdog! In ferrari circles people used to poke fun at them and say they were "not a real ferrari".
Back in 1995 I was buying my first house of my own and had £20k as a deposit but only really needed £8k... As I walked by Bramshaws who were a supercar dealer in Bournemouth at the time, I noticed they had a silver 1971 Dino 246GT for sale for £12k.. I was seriously tempted to buy it, but did the grown up thing and used all my money to buy the house... Yeah the house value went through the roof, but have you seen what happened to values of the 246 Dino GT?? Pretty sure when I last looked a Dino like that was worth ten times what I could have paid for it. Meanwhile the house went up by a factor of 5.. Who would have thought a kids dream car could out perform bricks and mortar as an investment? And the Dino at that!
Just uploaded more photos and details to the ebay auction and have some more being taken today as well.. My original ebay photo bundle was a bit half arsed as I thought it would maybe be at todays price towards the end of the auction, so it deserved a bit more detail.. So some pictures of the interior, original wing mirrors back on are uploaded and now on the auction. and later today some pictures of the fabspeed exhaust (heat exchangers etc) also showing the NOT oil soaked engine (yet not cleaned) and some of the service history.
I think some of you might actually be getting the picture with this car, I know in this world not everything is as simple as it seems, but seriously, this car just needs a respray, light cluster and a missing bumper gator as a minimum.. But I always think a car looks bad with fresh paint and old rubbers (not a back to black fan) so that is the only reason I mentioned a £1k in bits of rubber before... Other than that, I think this 930 will have teething issues, more to do with not being used properly for 2 years more than anything else, so gremlins more than anything to get worked up about.
Thanks for the good wishes, health is getting there, the latest is just my kidneys grumbling after 6 months of some serious trauma and medication... I guess having prescribed rat poison for 6 months on its own is going to cause some issues.. Within a few months I will be firing on all cylinders and probably being silly on the Ring again! But on the other hand, it has been a bit of a scare that I am not indestructible.. Human nature I guess!
Knowing how Pistonheaders love a bit of automotive porn, I thought you might appreciate seeing what the engine looks like on this beast.. It has not been cleaned or show furnished, just meaningful performance tuned with a well maintained leak free 930 engine.
Hopefully you can also see that the stainless steel FabSpeed system has not blued around the wastegate dump tube and the heat exchangers, as it would if this car had been thrashed or used for thousands of miles by a hooligan, it only had 1000 miles of running in tuned form, or less, before the paintwork was trashed by the barn fire next door.
Was adding the images to ebay and thought you guys might like to see them here, rather than it look like I am constantly linking to the auction item.
Jon
Hopefully you can also see that the stainless steel FabSpeed system has not blued around the wastegate dump tube and the heat exchangers, as it would if this car had been thrashed or used for thousands of miles by a hooligan, it only had 1000 miles of running in tuned form, or less, before the paintwork was trashed by the barn fire next door.
Was adding the images to ebay and thought you guys might like to see them here, rather than it look like I am constantly linking to the auction item.
Jon
JMGPorsche said:
Sorry Steve, I wish you had as well, you would have given it a cracking home and she would have
repaid you over and over again
Since you took a look around her, she has had a new windscreen, the seats are back to the originals I had in storage with the red piping and the original flag mirrors are back on her, not to mention she has been serviced and has a fresh MOT.
You still could bid on her, still a good deal! Pop down and take a look!
Hi Jon,repaid you over and over again
Since you took a look around her, she has had a new windscreen, the seats are back to the originals I had in storage with the red piping and the original flag mirrors are back on her, not to mention she has been serviced and has a fresh MOT.
You still could bid on her, still a good deal! Pop down and take a look!
Last time I saw you I b
ked you for over doing it; reading these posts its is clear that you have ignored that bking! For gods sake man, get some rest 
Might bring Helga down to see you next week
Regards
S
Yes, I remember the bking, I have been taking it easier, ish..
On the subject of the car, have had some offers to end the auction early, and although attractive, I don't think it is the morally correct thing to end early, and many people might see there was some underhand thing going on with the car and why it ended early. So we will all find out what it gets at about 7pm on tuesday night when the auction at ebay ends.
The car now has an MOT carried out at an independent MOT test station, so there is no doubt of its legitimacy, it starts on the button, leaks no oil, runs smoothly and drives just fine.
Obviously anyone who buys it, I recommend you take it steady to begin with, before you give it full beans, this car has been sleeping a long time.
Seeing as the bidding as gone high, I am even prepared to say that whoever buys it, I will offer an hour of my time for free to set the boost low before it goes, and then once you have the bodywork done and about a 1000 miles on her to get he shaken down a bit, I will offer a day of my time to set her up with boost again, ideally with my recommendation of an electronic boost controller, the buyer just needs to pay the rolling road time, not my labour.
Likewise, if a buyer wants to return her to standard, I am prepared to return her back to standard, using good used parts, most of which I still have, free of charge other than retaining the tuned parts.
Happy bidding for those who are thinking of bidding, and for those not thinking of bidding, get the popcorn ready for tuesday night, it will either stay roughly where it is or it may go nuts. . Who knows!
king, I have been taking it easier, ish.. On the subject of the car, have had some offers to end the auction early, and although attractive, I don't think it is the morally correct thing to end early, and many people might see there was some underhand thing going on with the car and why it ended early. So we will all find out what it gets at about 7pm on tuesday night when the auction at ebay ends.
The car now has an MOT carried out at an independent MOT test station, so there is no doubt of its legitimacy, it starts on the button, leaks no oil, runs smoothly and drives just fine.
Obviously anyone who buys it, I recommend you take it steady to begin with, before you give it full beans, this car has been sleeping a long time.
Seeing as the bidding as gone high, I am even prepared to say that whoever buys it, I will offer an hour of my time for free to set the boost low before it goes, and then once you have the bodywork done and about a 1000 miles on her to get he shaken down a bit, I will offer a day of my time to set her up with boost again, ideally with my recommendation of an electronic boost controller, the buyer just needs to pay the rolling road time, not my labour.
Likewise, if a buyer wants to return her to standard, I am prepared to return her back to standard, using good used parts, most of which I still have, free of charge other than retaining the tuned parts.
Happy bidding for those who are thinking of bidding, and for those not thinking of bidding, get the popcorn ready for tuesday night, it will either stay roughly where it is or it may go nuts. . Who knows!
Yes it will be a marker for the 930 market that is for sure.Did you get my email its a great story this topic?
I have the popcorn ready, TARGET £25K IMO looking at the bidding so far.
Unless a bidding war, starts up near the end? You never know in the classic car market.
Update.
Well its started all ready its past £25k as its ends tomorrow WOW.
Sales like this one, show how much the 930 market has changed in the last few years.
Edited by SEE YA on Monday 14th April 10:30
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