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PorscheGT4 said:
No one can tell you how you want your car to feel....
Demon - you fill your days on here telling people how their cars should look, be equipped, be driven etc.If your response to Fokker's question marks a damascene conversion to a position of not offering your opinions, many here will rejoice.
m33ufo said:
paralla said:
I agree that some years down the line I might not pay a premium for a car with PCM but I wouldn't pay anything at all for one without.
I'm sure this was drool worthy at the time!
Of course I could have been really mean...
NO PCM for me
Edited by m33ufo on Tuesday 24th November 19:17
Phooey said:
R1nur said:
Fish said:
It's probebly the Viper green I saw at Nottingham OPC when I went over to look at some. Black wheels...
Did you get a photo?Definitely Viper?
Sorry no pics but still had all the protection on..
My Sapphire on should be there in Mid Dec..!
miskalachi said:
I'm struggling to get a reasonable insurance quote without a tracker being fitted because the car is valued over 75k
Anyone have any suggestions other than spending 1.2k on a Porsche product?
Try CLassicine which will insure agreed with a letter. I've been quoted £1100 no tracker at £105k or £770 from Henderson Taylor with basic tracker(£300 Mtrack) again agreed value. Both include trackdays.Anyone have any suggestions other than spending 1.2k on a Porsche product?
mdianuk said:
I'd be very surprised if that is the case; most owners seem sensitive to residual value so spec PCM just for the new owner; after all, why would anyone consider £2300+ good value to add a basic sat nav system. The trouble I have, is that whilst sat nav wouldn't be used for finding my way, it is handy for finding straight roads before you get there for any caravan overtakes you need to do 
I've not as far as even considering this option yet, I'm struggling to get over the first hurdle (colour!). But, if PCM is not selected, what is the next best option, just a sound system upgrade £300, or paying the extra £700 for the stereo upgrade which includes USB and DAB!
PCM is a big deal believe me… the used market is very different to the new one. I've not as far as even considering this option yet, I'm struggling to get over the first hurdle (colour!). But, if PCM is not selected, what is the next best option, just a sound system upgrade £300, or paying the extra £700 for the stereo upgrade which includes USB and DAB!iantr said:
4) Try Mannings in Henley on Thames
I used Admiral just now for a quote, I am 39 with 9 years no claims and 3 points with car on the drive and it came out at £838 with 250 vol excess and no tracker required.Company was Admiral who seem to be favoured on here. In terms of pay out if written off or stolen then they pay on spec and market value. I had them confirm this with their underwriters.
With the vast 15k difference in resale of a CS car to a car with 18 way, this is an important part of the policy. I will be happy to go down this route.
I will try Marsh tomorrow who are supposed to be good but i can't see anyone beating £828 for a car living in a city albeit in the suburbs…
My policy includes a claim of £32000 when I hit ice last Xmas and stuffed my M3 into an oak tree!
Dave
PorscheGT4 said:
recommended setting is factory
if you feel you want to change that to suit how you drive you then go away from recommended settings and learn enough to know what you want from it :-)
No one can tell you how you want your car to feel hence recommended setting is the factory setup.
Well as always thats very helpful, thank you Mr Everet...if you feel you want to change that to suit how you drive you then go away from recommended settings and learn enough to know what you want from it :-)
No one can tell you how you want your car to feel hence recommended setting is the factory setup.
There has been much talk on here about settings and what is generally best suited to avoid understeer so thats what I would like to discuss.
What have people generally gone for?
Maybe Kenny can sit this one out?
iantr said:
Demon - you fill your days on here telling people how their cars should look, be equipped, be driven etc.
If your response to Fokker's question marks a damascene conversion to a position of not offering your opinions, many here will rejoice.
My advice is if you don't know how to adjust a car and what you want from it keep it factory.If your response to Fokker's question marks a damascene conversion to a position of not offering your opinions, many here will rejoice.
I have opinions on what looks nice and what looks dull, it's only my opinion :-) And I def don't tell people how to drive !
My take and experience on PCM (Navigation / multimedia) - On a new/modern car today it is a MUCH desired option, and always gets it's money back, always makes a car much more desirable, and much easier to sell. Not having PCM in the short term could cost you money. In 3-5 months time they'll probably be 30+ GT4's for sale. The PCM cars will be more sought after and sell first - always do, unless at the bottom of the pricing ladder, and normally by more £££ than nav itself.
2 or 3 guy's on PH saying these cars don't need it do not represent the market majority of future GT3/4 buyers.
It's in cars 5 yrs+ old that PCM/Nav is of less importance to the market. 3 years ago a mate picked up a mint 5kmiles grey/black 997.2 GT3 RS for at least £6or7k less than the competition. Reason - no PCM - dealer had it too long and kept reducing it.
So, if keeping for the short-term - I would 100% always spec Nav. If keeping the car forever - then don't waste your money cus it's s
t anyway 
2 or 3 guy's on PH saying these cars don't need it do not represent the market majority of future GT3/4 buyers.
It's in cars 5 yrs+ old that PCM/Nav is of less importance to the market. 3 years ago a mate picked up a mint 5kmiles grey/black 997.2 GT3 RS for at least £6or7k less than the competition. Reason - no PCM - dealer had it too long and kept reducing it.
So, if keeping for the short-term - I would 100% always spec Nav. If keeping the car forever - then don't waste your money cus it's s
t anyway On the specification dilemma ...
It's such a personal thing and ultimately you pay your money and take your choice. I adopted a 'fill your boots' approach to speccing mine, as I have tended to do with other cars, and don't regret it. This makes my GT4 quite expensive but it's perfect for me, and as this may be the one chance I have to buy a new GT car I did not want to compromise. I don't expect to get my money back on the options in future should I ever sell, but I know my car will be easy to move on.
I do think that Porsches are very specification sensitive on the used market. I was in the market for a 987 Spyder over the summer and found that cars with the right specification sold straight away, and others with quirky specifications are still unsold 3 months later. I chose not to buy rather than comprise.
Just my personal view but I regard some of the options as must haves on any road car regardless of its intended usage. For example, having the best available headlamps, climate control, cruise control (for average speed check areas), and the factory sat nav (PCM), however out of date. I seem to be spending an increasing amount of time stuck in traffic jams and diversions, and enjoy having a few extra buttons to press! Moreover, an aftermarket sat nav or mobile phone stuck in the window or on the dash is a pet hate of mine, is out of place in a premium car, and often ruins what is otherwise a great interior.
Whatever you decide to spec, I am sure that you will be delighted with the car
It's such a personal thing and ultimately you pay your money and take your choice. I adopted a 'fill your boots' approach to speccing mine, as I have tended to do with other cars, and don't regret it. This makes my GT4 quite expensive but it's perfect for me, and as this may be the one chance I have to buy a new GT car I did not want to compromise. I don't expect to get my money back on the options in future should I ever sell, but I know my car will be easy to move on.
I do think that Porsches are very specification sensitive on the used market. I was in the market for a 987 Spyder over the summer and found that cars with the right specification sold straight away, and others with quirky specifications are still unsold 3 months later. I chose not to buy rather than comprise.
Just my personal view but I regard some of the options as must haves on any road car regardless of its intended usage. For example, having the best available headlamps, climate control, cruise control (for average speed check areas), and the factory sat nav (PCM), however out of date. I seem to be spending an increasing amount of time stuck in traffic jams and diversions, and enjoy having a few extra buttons to press! Moreover, an aftermarket sat nav or mobile phone stuck in the window or on the dash is a pet hate of mine, is out of place in a premium car, and often ruins what is otherwise a great interior.
Whatever you decide to spec, I am sure that you will be delighted with the car
mdianuk said:
I'd be very surprised if that is the case; most owners seem sensitive to residual value so spec PCM just for the new owner; after all, why would anyone consider £2300+ good value to add a basic sat nav system. The trouble I have, is that whilst sat nav wouldn't be used for finding my way, it is handy for finding straight roads before you get there for any caravan overtakes you need to do I've not as far as even considering this option yet, I'm struggling to get over the first hurdle (colour!). But, if PCM is not selected, what is the next best option, just a sound system upgrade £300, or paying the extra £700 for the stereo upgrade which includes USB and DAB!
Sorry I left out the 'not' worry! I've not as far as even considering this option yet, I'm struggling to get over the first hurdle (colour!). But, if PCM is not selected, what is the next best option, just a sound system upgrade £300, or paying the extra £700 for the stereo upgrade which includes USB and DAB!Any way I specd CD-R + and not PCM which gives sound plus ,USB and DAB for £1k! Had PCM in my spyder never used it so won't miss it!
Phooey said:
My take and experience on PCM (Navigation / multimedia) - On a new/modern car today it is a MUCH desired option, and always gets it's money back, always makes a car much more desirable, and much easier to sell. Not having PCM in the short term could cost you money. In 3-5 months time they'll probably be 30+ GT4's for sale. The PCM cars will be more sought after and sell first - always do, unless at the bottom of the pricing ladder, and normally by more £££ than nav itself.
2 or 3 guy's on PH saying these cars don't need it do not represent the market majority of future GT3/4 buyers.
It's in cars 5 yrs+ old that PCM/Nav is of less importance to the market. 3 years ago a mate picked up a mint 5kmiles grey/black 997.2 GT3 RS for at least £6or7k less than the competition. Reason - no PCM - dealer had it too long and kept reducing it.
So, if keeping for the short-term - I would 100% always spec Nav. If keeping the car forever - then don't waste your money cus it's st anyway
Maybe it's just be then....but if you look at the Spyder / CR marketplace, I place no value at all on a car with NAV over a car without. For me it's not what those cars are all about - just like the GT cars (imho), especially when you go CS pack. 2 or 3 guy's on PH saying these cars don't need it do not represent the market majority of future GT3/4 buyers.
It's in cars 5 yrs+ old that PCM/Nav is of less importance to the market. 3 years ago a mate picked up a mint 5kmiles grey/black 997.2 GT3 RS for at least £6or7k less than the competition. Reason - no PCM - dealer had it too long and kept reducing it.
So, if keeping for the short-term - I would 100% always spec Nav. If keeping the car forever - then don't waste your money cus it's s
t anyway miskalachi said:
I'm struggling to get a reasonable insurance quote without a tracker being fitted because the car is valued over 75k
Anyone have any suggestions other than spending 1.2k on a Porsche product?
I got some serious hassle regarding insurance when i picked up mine last friday.In the past i have always taken advantage of the complimentary Porsche insurance free 7 day cover,never had issues on the previous six Porsches.However on the GT4, list price £76700 i requested an agreed value of £100000 however was turned down flat due to not having tracker fitted which by the way i consider a complete waste of money!.Anyone have any suggestions other than spending 1.2k on a Porsche product?
Luckily i had brought my Laptop with me to transfer funds to pay for the car so went on Go compare to get quotes.Incidentally because my GT4 is an additional car i had 0yrs no claims bonus to use.Anyway best quote was with Admiral which i have used before on multi-car policy.First they quoted £800 on an agreed value of £100000 and after some haggling on the phone, by putting my other two cars on a multi-car policy they reduced it to £519.My other cars renewal date is Oct 10th 2016 so pro-rata only cost me about £100 extra.However Admiral don't cover track days but since i won't be tracking my GT4 until April 2016 at the earliest it gives me time to source track day cover.
PS by applying my ingenious man maths brain i have saved £1140 + £250/annum by not getting tracker to pay for track day cover as and when i need it
Phooey said:
Different value. Different times.
GT4 isn't most people's daily driver. You'll rarely see one covering 10k miles per year. It's a weekend, track day play thing. The Porsche nav is antiquated from new so (personally), I don't see the value. The Audi TT nav option puts it to shame at half the price (not actually checked the price - making an assumption). For £3k it needs a significant rethink.
Again, for me, it's a no-brainer not to spec it. Most are doing so (just in case), it helps resale.
Taffy66 said:
I got some serious hassle regarding insurance when i picked up mine last friday.In the past i have always taken advantage of the complimentary Porsche insurance free 7 day cover,never had issues on the previous six Porsches.However on the GT4, list price £76700 i requested an agreed value of £100000 however was turned down flat due to not having tracker fitted which by the way i consider a complete waste of money!.
Luckily i had brought my Laptop with me to transfer funds to pay for the car so went on Go compare to get quotes.Incidentally because my GT4 is an additional car i had 0yrs no claims bonus to use.Anyway best quote was with Admiral which i have used before on multi-car policy.First they quoted £800 on an agreed value of £100000 and after some haggling on the phone, by putting my other two cars on a multi-car policy they reduced it to £519.My other cars renewal date is Oct 10th 2016 so pro-rata only cost me about £100 extra.However Admiral don't cover track days but since i won't be tracking my GT4 until April 2016 at the earliest it gives me time to source track day cover.
PS by applying my ingenious man maths brain i have saved £1140 + £250/annum by not getting tracker to pay for track day cover as and when i need it
Good info there. I would say that your car being a CS is worth more like 110k as JZM sold theirs at 109k. Just make sure that they'll pay out on market value not on just the agreed valuation. Luckily i had brought my Laptop with me to transfer funds to pay for the car so went on Go compare to get quotes.Incidentally because my GT4 is an additional car i had 0yrs no claims bonus to use.Anyway best quote was with Admiral which i have used before on multi-car policy.First they quoted £800 on an agreed value of £100000 and after some haggling on the phone, by putting my other two cars on a multi-car policy they reduced it to £519.My other cars renewal date is Oct 10th 2016 so pro-rata only cost me about £100 extra.However Admiral don't cover track days but since i won't be tracking my GT4 until April 2016 at the earliest it gives me time to source track day cover.
PS by applying my ingenious man maths brain i have saved £1140 + £250/annum by not getting tracker to pay for track day cover as and when i need it
Edited by Fokker on Tuesday 24th November 22:18
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