997 Turbo upgrade to 9e 28 by Nine Excellence (pic heavy)
Discussion
TB993tt said:
IMIA said:
it doesn't surprise me that only two cars were prepared by RS Tuning for them.
I reckon the 624 PS car CG were touting around various tests was really built 680 PS car.
Just to clarify it was 2 engine builds (on the same car) which RS did. The black car in the vid started off with 624PS/82XNM and got TUV approval, they then developed it further mindful that that the rods were at risk since other customer's cars (RS Customers) had bent their rods at these levels. The further development was different pistons and Carillos and tuned up to ~680PS it was in this level of tune that Sport Auto tested it in that group test with 0-300 in 23.8s - they wrote 624PS in the specs but that was because the cars had to be full TUV approved.....I reckon the 624 PS car CG were touting around various tests was really built 680 PS car.
This car received a wrap in white and when CG had it for sale recently they offered it with 624PS and TUV papers or for export with 680PS - same car !
Little bit of an update. My cars just been back from a complimentary service at OPC Hatfield. The service guys there were literally blown away by the 9e 28 package and commented on how well thought out they feel the upgrades are. Service guy said if I ever decide to sell her he'd like first right of refusal to buy my baby!
She passed her MOT with flying colours and it turns out that I only covered 5000 miles last year. I've had her back a few months since 9e carried out their alchemy and I have already covered 3000 miles! She used to be my daily driver so I never really bothered taking her on any special runs. I now take her out at every opportunity which speaks for itself. She's run faultlessly apart from on a hard two hour midnight run her high flow IPD Y pipe came off very slightly. It was easy enough to get back on and tighten the jubilee clip. I'm running a competition 82mm IPD plenum with GT3 throttle body which is a first on this package. On previous customers cars 9e used the 74mm IPD plenum. I lose some mid range punch but gain at the top end with the larger plenum. Imagine sucking air through a larger straw - its that much more difficult but when the GT2 turbos are lit the extra flow gives her more power and torque at the top end. I'm v.happy with this latest upgrade to the 9e 28 package as its mid range torque which blows up engines on modified cars and the trade off with a v.strong top end is worth it in my book. We shall find out if this latest tweak has given me a bit more power for sure at VMAX on the 7th of March where I will VBOX and video some 0-300 kph runs - really looking forward to the event very much.
Pic of the Y Pipe which had blown itself off with all the extra power. Its not happened since and I've covered over 1000 miles since it happened.
She's got a bit mucky so decided to give her a good wash today.
Before.
After.
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So verdict after 3000 miles. My wife is convinced I'm going to lose my license or worse. She reminds me I have four children and can't understand why I pop out at 12am for an occasional hoon - think she may suspect I'm having an affair
My best friend says that he thinks I'd be better off with a new Lambo or Fezza and that I should sell my car to him immediately lol! 
Other road users including Ferrari drivers now give her the 
Me, I waited 8 years before upgrading her with which for me are arguably the best after market components currently available on the market without rebuilding an engine with forged internals. Was i right to wait 8 years? Yes in my book because every single other VTG upgrade package results in timing being pulled after a few runs in 4th, 5th and 6th gears. Ken has only recently revealed the tech he's used to over come this issue with VTGs (I think he may have thought I was a spy from a competitor!). I have to say 9e's solution to help counter this well documented issue is ingenious. I cannot unfortunately reveal much more but 9e found a solution by turning the problem upside down and focussing on the core of the problem rather than the effect as competitors have done. Ken in the past has always been quite derogatory about Porsche using VTGs but ironically 9e's VTG solution may open up the door to 9e becoming the market leader tuning Porsches later turbo platforms such as 997.2 turbo and 991 turbo. With all 911s becoming turbocharged the future looks quite bright for 9e. What many people do not realise is that they're just as enthusiastic about Caymans, Boxsters, Pannys, Cayennes and Carreras, vintage and classic Porsches as they are turbos.
Any other upgrades planned? For now I'm happy. Yes motorsport suspension will improve her but I do not want to ruin her supple ride. Carbon brakes from Surface Transforms are on the cards at some stage maybe but the stock steel Porsche brakes for road use are up to the job. Adios, I shall report back after VMAX. Watch this space....
She passed her MOT with flying colours and it turns out that I only covered 5000 miles last year. I've had her back a few months since 9e carried out their alchemy and I have already covered 3000 miles! She used to be my daily driver so I never really bothered taking her on any special runs. I now take her out at every opportunity which speaks for itself. She's run faultlessly apart from on a hard two hour midnight run her high flow IPD Y pipe came off very slightly. It was easy enough to get back on and tighten the jubilee clip. I'm running a competition 82mm IPD plenum with GT3 throttle body which is a first on this package. On previous customers cars 9e used the 74mm IPD plenum. I lose some mid range punch but gain at the top end with the larger plenum. Imagine sucking air through a larger straw - its that much more difficult but when the GT2 turbos are lit the extra flow gives her more power and torque at the top end. I'm v.happy with this latest upgrade to the 9e 28 package as its mid range torque which blows up engines on modified cars and the trade off with a v.strong top end is worth it in my book. We shall find out if this latest tweak has given me a bit more power for sure at VMAX on the 7th of March where I will VBOX and video some 0-300 kph runs - really looking forward to the event very much.
Pic of the Y Pipe which had blown itself off with all the extra power. Its not happened since and I've covered over 1000 miles since it happened.
She's got a bit mucky so decided to give her a good wash today.
Before.
After.
[url]|http://thumbsnap.com/hWbbZhcC[/url]So verdict after 3000 miles. My wife is convinced I'm going to lose my license or worse. She reminds me I have four children and can't understand why I pop out at 12am for an occasional hoon - think she may suspect I'm having an affair
My best friend says that he thinks I'd be better off with a new Lambo or Fezza and that I should sell my car to him immediately lol! Other road users including Ferrari drivers now give her the Me, I waited 8 years before upgrading her with which for me are arguably the best after market components currently available on the market without rebuilding an engine with forged internals. Was i right to wait 8 years? Yes in my book because every single other VTG upgrade package results in timing being pulled after a few runs in 4th, 5th and 6th gears. Ken has only recently revealed the tech he's used to over come this issue with VTGs (I think he may have thought I was a spy from a competitor!). I have to say 9e's solution to help counter this well documented issue is ingenious. I cannot unfortunately reveal much more but 9e found a solution by turning the problem upside down and focussing on the core of the problem rather than the effect as competitors have done. Ken in the past has always been quite derogatory about Porsche using VTGs but ironically 9e's VTG solution may open up the door to 9e becoming the market leader tuning Porsches later turbo platforms such as 997.2 turbo and 991 turbo. With all 911s becoming turbocharged the future looks quite bright for 9e. What many people do not realise is that they're just as enthusiastic about Caymans, Boxsters, Pannys, Cayennes and Carreras, vintage and classic Porsches as they are turbos.
Any other upgrades planned? For now I'm happy. Yes motorsport suspension will improve her but I do not want to ruin her supple ride. Carbon brakes from Surface Transforms are on the cards at some stage maybe but the stock steel Porsche brakes for road use are up to the job. Adios, I shall report back after VMAX. Watch this space....
So at VMAX Stealth tomorrow. Had my car checked out by 9e today and all seems well. Had a passenger ride in their 9e XX with Ken. Have to be honest for a 1200-1500 bhp car or whatever she has i.e. 0-300kph in less than 15 secs she was amazingly civilised in the way she put her power down. Rapid but I felt completely safe. For a car with F22 Raptor size afterburners she wasn't all that laggy either - think X50 996 turbo - no worse than that really in terms of lag.
I reckon La F, P1 and 918 may all struggle to keep up with her tomorrow! Amazing platform for more power the 996 and 997 turbo.
I reckon La F, P1 and 918 may all struggle to keep up with her tomorrow! Amazing platform for more power the 996 and 997 turbo.
StuB said:
IMIA said:
So at VMAX Stealth tomorrow. Had my car checked out by 9e today and all seems well. Had a passenger ride in their 9e XX with Ken. Have to be honest for a 1200-1500 bhp car or whatever she has i.e. 0-300kph in less than 15 secs she was amazingly civilised in the way she put her power down. Rapid but I felt completely safe. For a car with F22 Raptor size afterburners she wasn't all that laggy either - think X50 996 turbo - no worse than that really in terms of lag.
I reckon La F, P1 and 918 may all struggle to keep up with her tomorrow! Amazing platform for more power the 996 and 997 turbo.
Id be very interested to hear how things go. I reckon La F, P1 and 918 may all struggle to keep up with her tomorrow! Amazing platform for more power the 996 and 997 turbo.
My tweaked X50 996 ran 191 at Brunters before it was sent to 9E for a few bits & bobs, but haven't yet managed to make another V Max since.
Quick update.
9e recently gained 15% in air flow to the turbos which netted a big uptake in power on a 996 turbo. They're now fabricating a new intake system for me. It will have cone filters over the intercoolers and 18 inches of less restrictive pipework to the hybrid GT2 turbos. This should help with airflow and spooling up the compressor etc. More airflow = more power hopefully. A completely bespoke thinking out of the box solution from 9e.
Get her back in a few weeks and hopefully test the new set up at Elvington third week of June if she's ready by then!
9e recently gained 15% in air flow to the turbos which netted a big uptake in power on a 996 turbo. They're now fabricating a new intake system for me. It will have cone filters over the intercoolers and 18 inches of less restrictive pipework to the hybrid GT2 turbos. This should help with airflow and spooling up the compressor etc. More airflow = more power hopefully. A completely bespoke thinking out of the box solution from 9e.
Get her back in a few weeks and hopefully test the new set up at Elvington third week of June if she's ready by then!
the other me said:
Is the 996 "solution" pretty much the same deal, do you know if it applicable to those of us not running hybrids on a 996 (I know, I can just call Ken, although, in any case my "plans" have been shelved just for the moment courtesy of a capricious employer )
Will be interesting to see how your 9e28 ? 26 ? 25.5 ? performs afterwards. Ken will need to start renaming things soon the way this is going :big laugh:
I'm zero technical. Will look at the VBOX after my next outing and report back. If I can get her running 25 sec 0-300kph will be a very happy bunny indeed Will be interesting to see how your 9e28 ? 26 ? 25.5 ? performs afterwards. Ken will need to start renaming things soon the way this is going :big laugh:
She's consistently at 26 to 27 secs at the mo.
200Plus Club said:
IMI A said:
RWD cossie wil said:
This new intake sounds interesting, I'm running a 996 Turbo 9e30 & it's pretty rapid as it is, but you can never have enough can you? 
The other 9e 28 which belongs to Ozan ran 205mph at last VMAX within 1.3 miles. Need more power lol Hoping the Elvington event comes off be nice to see you up there. Is ken taking the 1200bhp beast along?
A new 9e 28 is born. Owner went for forged internals as his engine was shot so its now future proofed and good for 1000bhp when he's ready to up the power lucky sod.
Brand spanking new GT2 RS hybrids with 66mm billet wheels and motorsport bearings
Forged internals i.e. conrods, rods, pistons and reinforced head with longer head studs.
and to finish her off a 9e/Capristo exhaust
And more 9e 28s in the pipe line!
Brand spanking new GT2 RS hybrids with 66mm billet wheels and motorsport bearings
Forged internals i.e. conrods, rods, pistons and reinforced head with longer head studs.
and to finish her off a 9e/Capristo exhaust
And more 9e 28s in the pipe line!
She was quickest of the 9e cars apart from 9e XX yesterday at RAF Woodridge at 193mph. Thanks to Ken and Adam for running her.
100-300kph 25 secs which considering the surface wasn't a bad effort and by way of comparison the best 100-300kph so far (in wet) at Brunters of 24 secs so cars running very well and IATS starting at 40c never went above 50c all the way to approaching 200mph.
Few pics highlights half the track was covered in grass. This meant everyone was queuing to run on the side that wasn't covered in grass lol.
9e XX "only" ran 219mph as gearbox software was playing up. ES Motors and Amir took the day with 226mph top speed in their ES 1200. Congrats!
Check out the amazing 993 GT2 - she ran a best of 168mph!
100-300kph 25 secs which considering the surface wasn't a bad effort and by way of comparison the best 100-300kph so far (in wet) at Brunters of 24 secs so cars running very well and IATS starting at 40c never went above 50c all the way to approaching 200mph.
Few pics highlights half the track was covered in grass. This meant everyone was queuing to run on the side that wasn't covered in grass lol.
9e XX "only" ran 219mph as gearbox software was playing up. ES Motors and Amir took the day with 226mph top speed in their ES 1200. Congrats!
Check out the amazing 993 GT2 - she ran a best of 168mph!
Thought this may be of interest. Dyno of 9e 28 in non sport mode. In sport mode it has about 12% more power but there was wheel hop (maybe something to do with larger size cup 2s) above 4000rpm on the dyno so didn't have a second run in sport mode.
Some other interesting stats. In sport mode 9e 28 is at 650-660 PS
Some other interesting stats. In sport mode 9e 28 is at 650-660 PS
Here's a vid of VMAX a last Sat. Camera car will be at TV this weekend. Ran neck and neck with Huracan and beat Macca MP4 !2 and 650 S over multiple runs. Was wet so Macca drivers were at disadvantage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbVkQH7SB2c&li...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbVkQH7SB2c&li...
SRT Hellcat said:
IMI A said:
My clutch or driveshaft has gone so the 9e 28 won't make it but another one is going. I'll still come along and say hello.
please do. It will be great to meet you and the guysExcellent videos. Were these taken at Woodbridge
Edited by SRT Hellcat on Saturday 24th September 09:17
SRT Hellcat said:
IMI A said:
My clutch or driveshaft has gone so the 9e 28 won't make it but another one is going. I'll still come along and say hello.
please do. It will be great to meet you and the guysExcellent videos. Were these taken at Woodbridge
Edited by SRT Hellcat on Saturday 24th September 09:17
Good meeting you Graham. Awesome car.
A friends manual 997.1 t 9e 28 ran standing mile at approaching 190mph which is astonishing for a bolt on kit with no meth. Other stats 60-186 kph in 22 secs. 0-300kph in 26 secs. VMAX on his VBOX 202mph although 199mph through TVs own trap. I think their timing gear was perhaps out as a 991 turbo S ran 205mph according to trap but the owners own VBOX said 198mph.
The most impressive was the ES Motors flash and catless zorst with meth for gen 2 PDK turbo. Car ran well over 202mph and 0-300kph in 22 secs which is astonishing. To get that sort of performance out of a manual gen 1 you'd need to spend well over £20,000 and no guarantee engine won't blow up without stronger head studs and con rods so add another £15,000 to £20,000 if you want to build engine and do the job properly. These gen 2 turbos are weapons and for about £7000 of mods with ES Motor, 9e or Litchfield you get a car as quick as a 918. The PDK and 3.8 displacement is a real advantage.
Few other pics. Son hitched a ride in an Aventador SV thanks to Amir who owns the Lambo and also runs UK arm of ES Motors. Many thanks : )
Took the Cup 2 and BBS F1 off and running OEM size wheels/tyres (PS2). Only a small difference in tyre size 235 and 305 instead of slightly larger GT2 RS size 245 and 325 but there's a marked improvement in acceleration back on OEM size tyres. Will VBOX to verify but I reckon seat of the pants she is down to sub 6.5 secs to 100 mph and the beauty is car feels totally OEM. Downside on OEM size tyres is car understeers more which takes shine off the handling IMO. Have to be slow into corners on OEM size. I like what Chris at Excel Wheels has done with the OEM wheels.
BBS F1
OEM
Also reprogrammed PASM via 9e with TPC DSC module. Transforms rebound and improves how flat she is through corners. One of the best mods IMO. 20,000 fault free miles on 9e 28 power package.
BBS F1
OEM
Also reprogrammed PASM via 9e with TPC DSC module. Transforms rebound and improves how flat she is through corners. One of the best mods IMO. 20,000 fault free miles on 9e 28 power package.
Ran at VMAX on 25 March.
Tough day with strong head winds. Was running the car on MS 109.
488, F12 TDF, Huracan, 570 S, new NSX all struggled to live with the old banger both with top speed and running head to head in drag race - most pleasing scalp was an Aventador SV!
I reckon many of the expensive cars were under driven personally as I was only 7mph down from my best top speed. I was v.unlucky not to pip the MSL C63 into second on the run he ran 197mph 5th gear baulked in the turbo and he got away from me.
Good fun though and shows how weather conditions on the day play a big part on top speeds achieved.
Bugatti Veyron 200
MSL Mercedes C63 197
9e 28 997 Turbo 195
991 Turbo S ES750 193
BMW F10 M5 Evolve193
Porsche 997Turbo 191
Audi RS6 191
McLaren 570S 191
BMW M5 F10 DME 191
Pagani Huayra 191
Porche 997 TT 190
Ferrari 488 190
Ferrari F12 TDF 189
Lamborghini Gallardo 189
Mercedes E63 189
BMW M5 F10 188
McLaren 675LT 188
Lamborghini Huracan camouflage 187
2016 BMW M3 184
Nissan GTR 184
M5 F10 dms 184
911 Turbo 183
UBB Mustang Widowmaker 182
Porsche 991 Turbo 182
Porsche 991 Turbo S 181
BMW M4 180
Nissan GTR 180
997 GT2 ES650 180
GTR WHITE 179
C6 RS6 178
Aston Martin V12 VS 177
Ferrari California T 176
Ferrari 458 176
M4 176
Honda NSX 176
Audi RS6 Avant 176
Ferrari 458 175
Lamborghini SV roadster 175
Zagato Vanquish 175
RS6 174
Porsche 991 GT3RS 174
RS6 C7 173
Shelby Daytona 173
A6 matt 173
Mercedes AMG GTS 172
Nissan GTR 172
Vanquish 171
Bentley SS 169
Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 169
996 Turbo 168
Ferrari F430 166
VW Golf R32 163
Ultima GTR 161
Audi RS4 avant 160
HURACAN GOLD 158
Mustang 157
Porsche 911 4S 156
Sierra Cosworth 152
Morgan 149
Porsche Boxster S 149
Porsche C2S 148
Shelby Daytona 143
Honda Del Sol 121
Tough day with strong head winds. Was running the car on MS 109.
488, F12 TDF, Huracan, 570 S, new NSX all struggled to live with the old banger both with top speed and running head to head in drag race - most pleasing scalp was an Aventador SV!
I reckon many of the expensive cars were under driven personally as I was only 7mph down from my best top speed. I was v.unlucky not to pip the MSL C63 into second on the run he ran 197mph 5th gear baulked in the turbo and he got away from me.
Good fun though and shows how weather conditions on the day play a big part on top speeds achieved.
Bugatti Veyron 200
MSL Mercedes C63 197
9e 28 997 Turbo 195
991 Turbo S ES750 193
BMW F10 M5 Evolve193
Porsche 997Turbo 191
Audi RS6 191
McLaren 570S 191
BMW M5 F10 DME 191
Pagani Huayra 191
Porche 997 TT 190
Ferrari 488 190
Ferrari F12 TDF 189
Lamborghini Gallardo 189
Mercedes E63 189
BMW M5 F10 188
McLaren 675LT 188
Lamborghini Huracan camouflage 187
2016 BMW M3 184
Nissan GTR 184
M5 F10 dms 184
911 Turbo 183
UBB Mustang Widowmaker 182
Porsche 991 Turbo 182
Porsche 991 Turbo S 181
BMW M4 180
Nissan GTR 180
997 GT2 ES650 180
GTR WHITE 179
C6 RS6 178
Aston Martin V12 VS 177
Ferrari California T 176
Ferrari 458 176
M4 176
Honda NSX 176
Audi RS6 Avant 176
Ferrari 458 175
Lamborghini SV roadster 175
Zagato Vanquish 175
RS6 174
Porsche 991 GT3RS 174
RS6 C7 173
Shelby Daytona 173
A6 matt 173
Mercedes AMG GTS 172
Nissan GTR 172
Vanquish 171
Bentley SS 169
Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 169
996 Turbo 168
Ferrari F430 166
VW Golf R32 163
Ultima GTR 161
Audi RS4 avant 160
HURACAN GOLD 158
Mustang 157
Porsche 911 4S 156
Sierra Cosworth 152
Morgan 149
Porsche Boxster S 149
Porsche C2S 148
Shelby Daytona 143
Honda Del Sol 121
9e 28 said:
Few 9e cars at VMAX this Sat for last VMAX of the year.
9e 28 is at VMAX again this Saturday and hopefully we will get some good vbox info and data logging if its a nice day.
Best times so far (in the wet and uphill gradient)
0-60 mph - 3.6 secs 3.0 secs
50-70 mph - 1.2 secs 0.8 secs
0-100 mph - 7.1 secs 6.1 ses
60-100 mph - 3.2 secs 2.8 secs
60-186 mph - 24 secs 18 secs
VMAX 202.3 mph within 1.3 miles 215mph
Thread resurrection! 9e 28 is at VMAX again this Saturday and hopefully we will get some good vbox info and data logging if its a nice day.
Best times so far (in the wet and uphill gradient)
0-60 mph - 3.6 secs 3.0 secs
50-70 mph - 1.2 secs 0.8 secs
0-100 mph - 7.1 secs 6.1 ses
60-100 mph - 3.2 secs 2.8 secs
60-186 mph - 24 secs 18 secs
VMAX 202.3 mph within 1.3 miles 215mph
Fair bit of progress over last few years and she's even quicker now. I've updated her stats for race fuel which we tuned for a few years ago and she's been treated to a full glass out respray post ending up in a farmers field at VMAX.
9e and 911v kindly arranged/carried out all the repairs and she went from this at VMAX on my first run hitting 215mph! 9e said they've never removed so much mud from a car and gave me a v.light bill according to 911v so many thanks Ken/Tom
to this and still all original panel the damage was very light as field was very wet and very boggy.
5 years ago when I set off I benchmarked 991 turbo s in terms of straight-line thrust.
991.2 turbo s v 9e 997.1 turbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrgwLSR7qwo
I also ran against 570 s next race same result actually gap was fair bit a they struggle at launch.
Also here's some VBOX stats that can be compared to previous VBOX stats I've put up on this thread for turbo nerds. Difference night and day actually especially on race fuel so those big Nissan GTRs setting crazy ring records back in the day defo cheating IMO.
Same race fuel cheating with Cargraphic in this test IMO https://www.motor1.com/news/17828/cargraphic-997-t... I run exactly same performance stats as their car on race fuel and I run same stats as Rufs RT12 on v power. Too much coincidence.
Edited by IMI A on Friday 27th March 16:00
Edited by IMI A on Friday 27th March 16:11
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