Is the bubble about to burst?

[RSVP911]

hornbaek said:

Ok so it wasn't a surprise for you but the entire financial market got it wrong judging from the reactions.

Hindsight is a great thing.

& the bookies - however , at least we know who to ask next time !

[ORD]

9e 28 said:

You seriously think our new govt will go for that type of deal after the electorate has visibly shown their feelings about our current immigration policy by voting with its feet?

Why not wait till the deals done now rather than wittering on about it ad nauseam.

It will have no choice.

Almost nobody seems to have any idea how negotiations work. The EU has something we need (not want, need), so we will pay whatever price it asks. Any time the British negotiators play at brinkmanship, the EU officials need say only 'transaction tax' or 'no free movement of services' and the British will have to back down.

A failure to think ahead is exactly why we are in this mess. 'Let's wait and see. Predictions are for experts and they're bad people'. Brexit reasoning.

[ras62]

Never had a proper job. I laughed at the barb some here think so rude because it is largely true. The Scottish MEP Alyn Smith (MEP since 2004) who I doubt anyone had heard of before his passionate speech yesterday is typical of today's career politician....I note with a wry smile the English connections....

Born 1973....He returned to Scotland in 1986, and later studied law and European law at Leeds University and spent a year studying on the Erasmus Programme at the University of Heidelberg in Germany.

He graduated from Nottingham Law School (a department of Nottingham Trent University) in 1996, and gained a master's degree in European studies from the College of Europe in Natolin (class of 1994-1995). He also for one year taught English in India and worked with Scotland Europa [1] in Brussels.

Smith later moved to London where he qualified as a lawyer with commercial law firm Clifford Chance

[hunter 66]

Back to cars , as the UK is the second biggest market for German cars after the US ........if we are in the EU now , how come we pay so much more for the cars than they do in the US ??
Trade tariff war would be interesting..

[fredt]

ORD said:

9e 28 said:

You seriously think our new govt will go for that type of deal after the electorate has visibly shown their feelings about our current immigration policy by voting with its feet?

Why not wait till the deals done now rather than wittering on about it ad nauseam.

It will have no choice.

Almost nobody seems to have any idea how negotiations work. The EU has something we need (not want, need), so we will pay whatever price it asks. Any time the British negotiators play at brinkmanship, the EU officials need say only 'transaction tax' or 'no free movement of services' and the British will have to back down.

A failure to think ahead is exactly why we are in this mess. 'Let's wait and see. Predictions are for experts and they're bad people'. Brexit reasoning.

Not even the leave side wanted to leave, just political chess playing, hence no plan.

[9e 28]

ras62 said:

Never had a proper job. I laughed at the barb some here think so rude because it is largely true. The Scottish MEP Alyn Smith (MEP since 2004) who I doubt anyone had heard of before his passionate speech yesterday is typical of today's career politician....I note with a wry smile the English connections....

Born 1973....He returned to Scotland in 1986, and later studied law and European law at Leeds University and spent a year studying on the Erasmus Programme at the University of Heidelberg in Germany.

He graduated from Nottingham Law School (a department of Nottingham Trent University) in 1996, and gained a master's degree in European studies from the College of Europe in Natolin (class of 1994-1995). He also for one year taught English in India and worked with Scotland Europa [1] in Brussels.

Smith later moved to London where he qualified as a lawyer with commercial law firm Clifford Chance

Cameron and Osborne have never had proper jobs ( they both had very short stints at Carlton communications and Telegraph for window dressing - note both were the chosen ones had media jobs handed to them on a platter to better understand how to manage their public profiles - funny that) but they'd been working for John Major before hand as researchers for 4-5 years straight from Oxford Uni where they both ran the conservative party student union. Both the children of wealthy upper class parents and attended Eton together to boot. Osborne married Baron David Howells daughter. David Howell was in Thatchers government. Nepotism, political alliances via marriage and giving good deals on the side to friends and family (note Mark Thatcher ) is the conservative party way. We can hardly claim to be any different to the Eurocrats.

Honestly if your friend Mr Farage came into my office and spoke the way he did grandstanding to that audience trying to get on TV as much as poss I'd be tempted to lamp him against all my better instincts. He's stoking the fire which is not good. You've won for Gods sake - now stand back with a bit of grace - he's actually doing himself a massive disservice with all this I told you so crowing at the top of his voice..

Back on cars look forward to trying your 964 on lowering springs!

[Rocco1]

9e 28 said:

Cameron and Osborne have never had proper jobs ( they both had very short stints at Carlton communications and Telegraph for window dressing - note both were the chosen ones had media jobs handed to them on a platter to better understand how to manage their public profiles - funny that) but they'd been working for John Major before hand as researchers for 4-5 years straight from Oxford Uni where they both ran the conservative party student union. Both the children of wealthy upper class parents and attended Eton together to boot. Osborne married Baron David Howells daughter. David Howell was in Thatchers government. Nepotism, political alliances via marriage and giving good deals on the side to friends and family (note Mark Thatcher ) is the conservative party way. We can hardly claim to be any different to the Eurocrats.

Honestly if your friend Mr Farage came into my office and spoke the way he did grandstanding to that audience trying to get on TV as much as poss I'd be tempted to lamp him against all my better instincts. He's stoking the fire which is not good. You've won for Gods sake - now stand back with a bit of grace - he's actually doing himself a massive disservice with all this I told you so crowing at the top of his voice..

Back on cars look forward to trying your 964 on lowering springs!

Speaking of 964 here is mine with 18" bbs lm's opposed to 19's :-)

[996TT02]

ras62 said:

...and yesterday it is leaked that they want to fedralise everything, total rule by Brussels!

Yes, like the rest of the Express's leaks, all very believable. http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird

They are panicking just as everyone else is - they only spouted this crap over the years to sell more printed bog roll for chrissakes - now the massive irresponsibility is sinking in, they need to shore up their "justification" so you get "leaks".

[996TT02]

I just couldn't not click to read this crap - oh and just as an unsaid aside, suits the agenda perfectly - CERN is a joint European project, a nice target to attempt to bash at this time with pub idiot talk.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/684219/What-is...
- What is CERN doing? Bizarre clouds over Large Hadron Collider 'prove portals are opening
NEW images of bizarre cloud formations above the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could be shock proof the world's biggest experiment is about to tear open a portal to another dimension. -

[9e 28]

Looks fantastic - have you enjoyed the car?

[Steve Rance]

Very nice looking car

[Trev450]

9e 28 said:

Looks fantastic - have you enjoyed the car?

That is lovely.

[996GT2]

996TT02 said:

I just couldn't not click to read this crap - oh and just as an unsaid aside, suits the agenda perfectly - CERN is a joint European project, a nice target to attempt to bash at this time with pub idiot talk.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/684219/What-is...
- What is CERN doing? Bizarre clouds over Large Hadron Collider 'prove portals are opening
NEW images of bizarre cloud formations above the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could be shock proof the world's biggest experiment is about to tear open a portal to another dimension. -

That's all we need, a new dimension opened up, they'll be coming over here, taking our jobs and women.



That 964 looks lovely by the way. Was at the Ace Cafe on Monday night, some awesome air cooled stuff turned up, 993 RS, 930s, 912, 993, nice to see them being driven!

[ras62]

I don't quite follow the trying my 964 on lowering springs comment 9e28? Not a fan of 18's on the 964 or super low ride height tbh.

[9e 28]

ras62 said:

I don't quite follow the trying my 964 on lowering springs comment 9e28? Not a fan of 18's on the 964 or super low ride height tbh.

Oh sorry mate thought it was you that suggested lowering springs on the 964 C2 cmoose tested in his very first car blog? Someone on PH was kind enough to offer me a ride in theirs and thought that was you.

[jimmyslr]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Well said. I am sure we will survive and in 10 years it will all be great again, but there's a lot of self inflicted effort and pain to come before we get there. The issue is massively complex. The EU won't want to play ball.

Some politicos are already suggesting we put more detailed proposals, in due course, to a referendum. Unwise. We appoint the government as our representatives to deal with issues such as this. They appoint bodies of civil servants, employ experts etc etc. The man on the street is not qualified to opine on a multi-dimensional issue in anything but the simplest form. One could see this all coming.

But we are here now. Deep breath. Make the best of it.

[ras62]

9e 28 said:

ras62 said:

I don't quite follow the trying my 964 on lowering springs comment 9e28? Not a fan of 18's on the 964 or super low ride height tbh.

Oh sorry mate thought it was you that suggested lowering springs on the 964 C2 cmoose tested in his very first car blog? Someone on PH was kind enough to offer me a ride in theirs and thought that was you.

Ah yes, I think I did mention something on those lines. My C2 runs on KW dampers but is lower than standard but I have gone away from low ride height due to the problems it introduces when fully loaded. Its also a fair bit lighter than standard, RS flywheel and LSD among other things. For me it hits the sweet spot, not too hard and noisy (which I think the RS is on the road) but much better than a standard car. You would be welcome to try the old girl btw.

[Durzel]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Not to criticise all Leavers since there are some valid arguments against an unelected body "having control over us", but at the same time I do feel like a reasonable proportion of them earnestly believe that we'd either cut ties with the EU almost completely, and somehow thrive all on our own despite over 40% of our exports going there, or that we could somehow get all the things we want (free trade, investment) with none of the concessions (free movement, fees, etc). We didn't get that in February, why on Earth would we get that now that we've announced our intention to leave?

I find it incredibly naive to think that we would get a better deal than Norway, particularly as there will certainly be more politics involved in sending a message that you can't have your cake and eat it, as those Leavers seem to think we can.

The worst case scenario notwithstanding that however is that nothing changes in terms of "excessive" immigration, etc but with us getting none of the perks we previously enjoyed. In essence an exit (flounce?) for no measurable gain whatsoever.

Edited by Durzel on Wednesday 29th June 12:38

[Steve Rance]

9e 28 said:

Oh sorry mate thought it was you that suggested lowering springs on the 964 C2 cmoose tested in his very first car blog? Someone on PH was kind enough to offer me a ride in theirs and thought that was you.

You are welcome to have a ride in mine if it helps. It's very low (RS -20mm) so will give you an idea from an extreme end of the set up spectrum. No bump steer issues, it's absolutely fine on the road but i would understand why some would find it too much

[Durzel]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Wise words.

As you said earlier it is such a multi-dimensional issue that asking the general public to vote on it in a definitive manner (technically the referendum is advisory but it was sold as binding) was stupid. Very few (myself included) can fully grasp the nuances of the existing arrangement much less understand the full ramifications of either option.

I think we were all so used to voting in General Elections where the practical effects of a change in party leadership are relatively minimal, where they're all much of a muchness as far as everyday politics goes, and will for the most part preserve the status quo, that people didn't fully grasp the magnitude of the decision they were voting on in this referendum. It's equally bizarre that people were being asked to vote between a known thing and unknown. Quite honestly the whole thing from start to finish has been horrifically mismanaged by both Remain and Leave parties, to the point where it almost defies belief that it all played out the way it did.