Chances of getting a 991.2 GT3?

[apachesmith]

BubblesNW said:

Beefmeister said:

whoami said:

Mmm.

I'm now fairly "livid" that he managed to get a GT8 when I was told to fk off several weeks ago.

To clarify, he had a GT8 on order from ages ago when they were first announced. The dealership moved his slot to someone else, but he offered them a bit more for it back. So technically it was always his

Are you saying that Aston dealers are charging customers over list to get a brand new limited edition car?
So they are joining the speculators at their own game....if so it makes Porsche dealers look like choirboys in comparison.

Ummm so Aston auction off their slots to the highest bidder!!!! Not sure which is worst if I'm honest!

[whoami]

apachesmith said:

BubblesNW said:

Beefmeister said:

whoami said:

Mmm.

I'm now fairly "livid" that he managed to get a GT8 when I was told to fk off several weeks ago.

To clarify, he had a GT8 on order from ages ago when they were first announced. The dealership moved his slot to someone else, but he offered them a bit more for it back. So technically it was always his

Are you saying that Aston dealers are charging customers over list to get a brand new limited edition car?
So they are joining the speculators at their own game....if so it makes Porsche dealers look like choirboys in comparison.

Ummm so Aston auction off their slots to the highest bidder!!!! Not sure which is worst if I'm honest!

They don't.

[Beefmeister]

No, I believe he knew the person who took over the slot originally and it was worked out between them, then worked out with the dealer. Aston had no dealings with any money.

[WCZ]

I'll have 10 base spec 718 caymans please @ £390,000

the reason why I'll never get to the point where I have bought 10 cars is the only models i'm interested in are the limited edition ones!

[Sierra Mike]

apachesmith said:

BubblesNW said:

From my OPC....


As discussed, Thank you for making us aware of your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2 when production becomes available.

As I am sure you are aware, there is likely to be a greater desire for this vehicle in volume terms, than there is indeed production available. Should this turn out to be the case, Porsche Centre Sheffield will allocate production to customers based on the following criteria;

1. Must not have owned an exclusive product and sold it on within the last 12 months – A qualifying criteria.
2. You must have purchased a minimum of 10 Porsches from the centre
3. You should be known to the centre as a long term keeper of Porsche Vehicles
4. Geographically local and a supporter of the Centre
5. Loyalty to the centre

In the event of a tie, overall purchase volume will become the deciding factor, should a tie remain, the Brand Director will consider all cases and decide accordingly.

In the event that we are able to satisfy your desire to purchase a 911 GT3, Gen 2, we will confirm this in writing further to receipt of our allocation. At this point, you will be required to sign an order and to pay a deposit within 14 days, further to which the allocation will be forfeited. Until this time we would be unable to receive any deposits for this model.

Please note that in particular the date that you register your interest will have no bearing whatsoever on the allocation of build slots to customers.

Many Thanks for your interest.

Seems pretty clear to me but appears to not be consistent across all OPCs. They also said that they can't sell above list within 12 months of the end of production of a particular model.

2. You must have purchased a minimum of 10 Porsches from the centre - Really 10 cars...... that seems excessive to me!!!

I'm sure this response is specific to that OPC/company and not the Porsche network overall but I accept they have to filter the throngs who now want GT cars somehow. At the end of the day, it's going to be incredibly difficult to buy a halo car unless there's a good reason the OPC should sell you that car instead of another of its customers. A sense of entitlement to buy a halo car without a track record, regardless of brand, simply will not work.

[m33ufo]

Fingers crossed that in a few years time we'll be back to where we were....that is, GT and RS models depreciating like the rest, and those that want one being able to buy one.

[jimmyslr]

m33ufo said:

Fingers crossed that in a few years time we'll be back to where we were....that is, GT and RS models depreciating like the rest, and those that want one being able to buy one.

Agree wholeheartedly with this. No more chat about overs, is my car an investment, fearing to put mileage on it, not wanting to track it and so on. Bliss!

Whilst I've benefitted from the market to some extent, I didn't intend to. In fact I sold a car as it was getting more costly than I wanted for a car I used and it was now too mileage sensitive song just cashed it in (and bought something else!). Cars being worth more than list the moment they are sold to the lucky buyer is abject lunacy in a capitalist market in my mind - it just points to underpricing by the oem. This suits some car manufacturers from a halo perspective, but it seems to have become de rigeur for them all now and has nasty knock on implications.

Who'd have thought I'd be advocating depreciation!

[m33ufo]

All I want is to be able to walk into my local OPC and order a new RS when it appears. Looks like that'll only be possible if and when the demand for these cars diminishes. I can't wait!

Until then I'm thinking of the 7.2 RS.

[v8ksn]

Imagine you have been a Porsche fan-boy all your life (not hard for me to be honest)

Now imagine after saving and saving and spending years reading about Porsches in magazines and online etc you finally manage to gather the funds together to buy one.... you walk to the dealership with £100k to buy one....

Dealer: Hello

You: Hi, this is a BIG day for me, I am here to buy my first 911

Dealer: Congratulations! Which model?

You: I would like to order a 911 GT3 please *big smile, giggle like a schoolkid and cast a glance at your partner as they smile proudly and happily that you are about to fulfil a dream

Dealer: OK, well......how many have you bought from us before?

You: None. This is my FIRST 911 *still smiling like a cheshire cat

Dealer: I am afraid you cant have one as they have all been allocated to customers who have been loyal to the brand and to this dealership over the past 100 years

You: But.....But....... This is my first 911! How can you do this?

Dealer: Its to stop the flippers you see....some people only buy these cars to flip them for a profit.

You: So, Now I have managed to save up £100k for a new 911, I have to save up MORE to buy a second-hand one?

Dealer: I am afraid so....

You: So how MUCH more do I need for a second-hand one?

Dealer: About another £50k...

You: What The Actual F*ck!?!?!

[Sierra Mike]

v8ksn said:

Imagine you have been a Porsche fan-boy all your life (not hard for me to be honest)

Now imagine after saving and saving and spending years reading about Porsches in magazines and online etc you finally manage to gather the funds together to buy one.... you walk to the dealership with £100k to buy one....

Dealer: Hello

You: Hi, this is a BIG day for me, I am here to buy my first 911

Dealer: Congratulations! Which model?

You: I would like to order a 911 GT3 please *big smile, giggle like a schoolkid and cast a glance at your partner as they smile proudly and happily that you are about to fulfil a dream

Dealer: OK, well......how many have you bought from us before?

You: None. This is my FIRST 911 *still smiling like a cheshire cat

Dealer: I am afraid you cant have one as they have all been allocated to customers who have been loyal to the brand and to this dealership over the past 100 years

You: But.....But....... This is my first 911! How can you do this?

Dealer: Its to stop the flippers you see....some people only buy these cars to flip them for a profit.

You: So, Now I have managed to save up £100k for a new 911, I have to save up MORE to buy a second-hand one?

Dealer: I am afraid so....

You: So how MUCH more do I need for a second-hand one?

Dealer: About another £50k...

You: What The Actual F*ck!?!?!

Actually, if you were a lifelong Porsche fan, the likelihood is that you would have already bought into the brand at a lower level in terms of price or model. I started with a 2.7 Boxster. People who are new to the brand generally dip their toe in the water with something else in the line up. Even a number of Porsche fans weren't huge fans of the GT cars till prices started going up. Just take a look at the numbers which were being sold on multiple times with low mileage when the cars were depreciating. In fact you could argue the GT3 is only a halo car because demand is now outstripping supply.

There's not many people who'll have cut their Porsche teeth on a GT3 but it's a different story now because of increasing values.

[v8ksn]

Sierra Mike said:

Actually, if you were a lifelong Porsche fan, the likelihood is that you would have already bought into the brand at a lower level in terms of price or model. I started with a 2.7 Boxster. People who are new to the brand generally dip their toe in the water with something else in the line up. Even a number of Porsche fans weren't huge fans of the GT cars till prices started going up. Just take a look at the numbers which were being sold on multiple times with low mileage when the cars were depreciating. In fact you could argue the GT3 is only a halo car because demand is now outstripping supply.

There's not many people who'll have cut their Porsche teeth on a GT3 but it's a different story now because of increasing values.

Maybe so but buying second-hand and servicing outside the dealer network (as I did and do) wont hold any weight with the dealerships.

Its a case of the dealer saying......"Yes, we can see you have been a fan over many years and an owner of many different Porsches but what have you done for ME?"

[whoami]

Sierra Mike said:

A sense of entitlement to buy a halo car without a track record, regardless of brand, simply will not work.

It seems to have held sway with Aston Martin and their allocation of GT8's.

[isaldiri]

v8ksn said:

Maybe so but buying second-hand and servicing outside the dealer network (as I did and do) wont hold any weight with the dealerships.

Its a case of the dealer saying......"Yes, we can see you have been a fan over many years and an owner of many different Porsches but what have you done for ME?"

Again, why should a dealer hand someone like that who has never bought a car from them a GT car over someone who regularly has bought/serviced cars with them over a period of time?

When the GT cars start depreciating as they once did the regular customers are going to be the ones that come back and look for cars rather than the brand new ones who are in reality more likely than not just looking for a chance of a profit. I don't really get the amount of hand wringing about not being able to get rare cars if there's some sort of criteria and it's consistently applied. It absolutely makes sense for a business to reward it's best customers, surely no one is going to disagree with that? It's when dealers have promised cars and then subsequently bumped down people for 'better' customers that it's pretty shabby behaviour, not having to filter customers from the beginning.

I haven't bought any new Porsche from a OPC outside of a gt4 either by the way so am not going to qualify for a gt car going forward per any history based new buying criteria incidentially and I don't have a problem with said criteria.

Edited by isaldiri on Friday 12th August 16:19

[Sierra Mike]

whoami said:

Sierra Mike said:

A sense of entitlement to buy a halo car without a track record, regardless of brand, simply will not work.

It seems to have held sway with Aston Martin and their allocation of GT8's.

Sierra Mike said:

In fact you could argue the GT3 is only a halo car because demand is now outstripping supply.

I would have to conclude that demand for the GT8 from existing customers does not outstrip supply to the extent that Porsche is enjoying with some of its cars. I really like Aston Martin but I wouldn't buy one over a Porsche unless the quality improved dramatically. I really do want them to get better but, by that point, I may find myself in the position that I don't have a track record of Astons so can't buy one and so it goes.

I'll just have to make do with buying Porsches instead ... I can live with that

[whoami]

Sierra Mike said:

I would have to conclude that demand for the GT8 from existing customers does not outstrip supply to the extent that Porsche is enjoying with some of its cars

Well, I tried to buy one but they were all sold.

Subsequently learning that many buyers were first time owners was a bit of a pisser, to say the least.

[Sierra Mike]

whoami said:

Sierra Mike said:

I would have to conclude that demand for the GT8 from existing customers does not outstrip supply to the extent that Porsche is enjoying with some of its cars

Well, I tried to buy one but they were all sold.

Subsequently learning that many buyers were first time owners was a bit of a pisser, to say the least.

I'm sorry to hear that. I think it's a rather odd car for a first time buyer however it stands to reason if they're investors/speculators.

[mdianuk]

It is an interesting debate, and I reckon I sit in a similar position to many, that I'm a fan of Porsche (more so than any other brand), but the limited numbers and desirability mean that they hold strong values, which allow me to buy these cars, fairly safe in the knowledge that a car I don't need (but want) isn't going to hit me for half its value over a few years, and may actually break even. Change this approach and I wouldn't buy as many, and therefore wouldn't be a favored customer of my OPC. Just FYI, I can't see me being selected for a GT3; won't be bitter, just the way it is. Life goes on.

[RSVP911]

m33ufo said:

All I want is to be able to walk into my local OPC and order a new RS when it appears. Looks like that'll only be possible if and when the demand for these cars diminishes. I can't wait!

Until then I'm thinking of the 7.2 RS.

Looks like you have an itch (similar comments elsewhere) - I can't comment on when to buy , all I can say is if you do , you would not be disappointed - if I had to sell my cars , this would definitely be the last to go ! Great cars - last of a breed , amazing tactile raw things , even if like me , you are not qualified to get anywhere near what a car like this can do. I'm the limiting factor by a county mile

[m33ufo]

RSVP911 said:

Looks like you have an itch (similar comments elsewhere) - I can't comment on when to buy , all I can say is if you do , you would not be disappointed - if I had to sell my cars , this would definitely be the last to go ! Great cars - last of a breed , amazing tactile raw things , even if like me , you are not qualified to get anywhere near what a car like this can do. I'm the limiting factor by a county mile

It's definitely the way I'd like to go. I mean, what's better than an RS to a Porsche enthusiast?!!

[GT3cs]

Sierra Mike said:

There's not many people who'll have cut their Porsche teeth on a GT3 but it's a different story now because of increasing values.

My 1st Porsche back in 2009 was a well used 996 GT3 clubsport before it all went a bit nuts . £28k . Every penny I had. I was terrified it was going to bankrupt me if it continued to deprecate . Happy days !