2018 Cayenne bets?......

[Cobnapint]

Yes, agree on the colour and load space points. Was pleased to see that the new interior door release handles blended in quite well, I didn't think they would.

Also noticed the reversing camera has a little 'node' next to the lense. I wonder if this is part of a new self cleaning system.

ETA, it must be, the config says it has a 'cleaning function'.

Also noticed the windscreen wiper blade to arm mount has changed from 'side-pin' to 'push button'.

Edited by Cobnapint on Wednesday 21st March 08:51

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moonigan said:

Cobnapint said:

Just back from the OPC preview night and have to say, apart from the new dashboard which was fantastic, it was all a bit underwhelming.

I don't think they've done it any favours in the looks department, the Cayenne sweet spot is definitely the facelift version that's about to go out of production.The wide mouthed frog front end on the new one just doesn't look right. In fact the Macan Turbo in Agate Grey that was also in the showroom received just as much, if not more, attention.

I'm sure it's a fantastic vehicle but I didn't sense any wow factor in the showroom amongst the crowd and I doubt this will be the massive sales hit they're expecting it to be.

I also went to a preview last night and I am pleased with what I saw. The back end of the car is a massive improvement over the old one and the interior particularly the cockpit makes the outgoing model look a bit dated. I've ordered a JBM car but was tempted to order the launch colour Biscay Blue but I'm glad I didn't because even under the showroom lights it looks wishy washy. I'm also glad I didn't order the RS Spyder wheels as they are too fussy and will be a nightmare to clean. The boot isn't as big as I thought it was going to be but it doesn't look as compromised as the boot on the Macan which is good news.

Largely agree. IMO Interior is a massive improvement (at least aesthetically), but I disliked the old one. The switches made it look too busy to my eye and the vents either side of the screen were too prominent (almost like massive ears). The dash curving down, small screen, just the overall aesthetic of the dash appeared dated to my eye.

I also much prefer the new light treatment. I think the rear end looks much better now. And much prefer the LED headlights over big bulbs.

But otherwise you'd be hard pushed to see much between the previous and new one. And as others have said, can't think of any SUVs, let alone full size ones that have made me say wow. The Macan looking better is nothing unusual either, I think all the smaller siblings of full size SUVs look better aesthetically (Velar, e-Pace, X4, GLC, etc).

Mine arrives next month, but happy to admit it doesn't knock my sox of aesthetically, externally. Would much rather have a 911, or any coupe for that matter

[Cheib]

IMHO the old Cayenne was still a long way ahead of the competition when you were behind the steering wheel....yes it might not have the waft of a RR/RRS but it did everything else considerably better. It'll be interesting to see how much better the new one is to drive although in the old car the best engine in terms of overall performance/economy/power delivery was the S Diesel....it's just a brilliant engine. It's a big, big miss for the new car.

[_speedyellow_]

I went along to the Silverstone event last night and they had 3 cars on display, White, Black and a Dark Grey (not sure what the paint name was).
I had a long chat with the salesman that sold me my current Cayenne and he wasn't sure another Diesel would be released and for now the 3 engines in petrol were available.

From my eyes the new car looked lower, quite a bit prettier especially the front grills which on the outgoing car are a little ugly IMHO.

The interiors are nice and the dash is out of this world, something to really behold and finally keyless go is part of the package!

As ever you need £12k of options to get it on par with an Audi..

Nice car though!

Tone

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_speedyellow_ said:

From my eyes the new car looked lower, quite a bit prettier especially the front grills which on the outgoing car are a little ugly IMHO.

I think part of that is because the plastic trim is taller (takes up greater proportion). Gives the illusion that its lower/not as tall. Problem is I don't like the plastic trim, but if I added the sport design kit, it starts to look taller and chunkier again (at least on the configurator). I dithered, then Porsche made my decision by removing the kit (guess they've run out) I'm going for white, so if it really bothers me I might get the trim wrapped or sprayed. Hopefully maintaining the sleeker looking standard front end and getting rid of the trim i'm not sure I like.

_speedyellow_ said:

The interiors are nice and the dash is out of this world, something to really behold and finally keyless go is part of the package!

As ever you need £12k of options to get it on par with an Audi..

Nice car though!

Tone

And compared to most, Audi are already taking the proverbial

Haven't spec'd Keyless entry. Actually wish it didn't have Keyless go, because my key sits in the cupholder in my 6GC :/ I recall 15+ years ago a Renault hire car with credit card sized/shape key and thought that the future would be great. But keys have actually got bigger and bigger since. Rendering comfort access useless unless you carry a handbag

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Cheib said:

IMHO the old Cayenne was still a long way ahead of the competition when you were behind the steering wheel....yes it might not have the waft of a RR/RRS but it did everything else considerably better.

I don't know about everything else. But I wanted the practicality of an SUV but driving dynamics as close to a "sporty" car as possible. Cayenne wins hands down in that department. Key USP for me.

Cheib said:

It'll be interesting to see how much better the new one is to drive although in the old car the best engine in terms of overall performance/economy/power delivery was the S Diesel....it's just a brilliant engine. It's a big, big miss for the new car.

Really depends on how many miles you do (perhaps if you tow as well). At 10k/year or below the economy difference is insignificant and in that case I'd take any of the petrol engines over a diesel. As a revving petrol is more in keeping with the key aforementioned USP.

[moonigan]

_speedyellow_ said:

I went along to the Silverstone event last night and they had 3 cars on display, White, Black and a Dark Grey (not sure what the paint name was).

Interested to know what the Dark Grey is because there is no grey on the configurator. The only metallic paints on the configurator are:

White
Black
Biscay Blue
Moonlight Blue
Mahogany
Palladium

P

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Guessing it will be the Biscay Blue, can look kind of grey.

Prefer my blues bold and vibrant. Alternatively would rather have a silver or proper darker grey like agate. Moonigan described Biscay best as wishy washy

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Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st March 15:36

[D1ckie]

Anyone had a delivery date for a new Turbo yet or updates on when the Turbo S will become available?

The online configurator has limited options for the new Cayenne

[Cobnapint]

On the height subject, it is actually 9mm lower than the facelift version (1696 vs 1705). Quite why they've done that I don't know.

[Cheib]

5to1 said:

Cheib said:

IMHO the old Cayenne was still a long way ahead of the competition when you were behind the steering wheel....yes it might not have the waft of a RR/RRS but it did everything else considerably better.

I don't know about everything else. But I wanted the practicality of an SUV but driving dynamics as close to a "sporty" car as possible. Cayenne wins hands down in that department. Key USP for me.

Cheib said:

It'll be interesting to see how much better the new one is to drive although in the old car the best engine in terms of overall performance/economy/power delivery was the S Diesel....it's just a brilliant engine. It's a big, big miss for the new car.

Really depends on how many miles you do (perhaps if you tow as well). At 10k/year or below the economy difference is insignificant and in that case I'd take any of the petrol engines over a diesel. As a revving petrol is more in keeping with the key aforementioned USP.

Ours has done close to 18k miles since we bought it last March so mpg is reasonably important, as is range...driving it to Switzerland next week and being able to only need fuel once makes a big difference to the trip. I also think the low down torque makes it more relaxing to drive when you’re driving it normally.

Totally agree about it being “sporty”...makes a big difference to me. And a massive reason why I dislike the RRS.

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Cheib said:

5to1 said:

Cheib said:

IMHO the old Cayenne was still a long way ahead of the competition when you were behind the steering wheel....yes it might not have the waft of a RR/RRS but it did everything else considerably better.

I don't know about everything else. But I wanted the practicality of an SUV but driving dynamics as close to a "sporty" car as possible. Cayenne wins hands down in that department. Key USP for me.

Cheib said:

It'll be interesting to see how much better the new one is to drive although in the old car the best engine in terms of overall performance/economy/power delivery was the S Diesel....it's just a brilliant engine. It's a big, big miss for the new car.

Really depends on how many miles you do (perhaps if you tow as well). At 10k/year or below the economy difference is insignificant and in that case I'd take any of the petrol engines over a diesel. As a revving petrol is more in keeping with the key aforementioned USP.

Ours has done close to 18k miles since we bought it last March so mpg is reasonably important, as is range...driving it to Switzerland next week and being able to only need fuel once makes a big difference to the trip. I also think the low down torque makes it more relaxing to drive when you’re driving it normally.

Totally agree about it being “sporty”...makes a big difference to me. And a massive reason why I dislike the RRS.

I do about 5k/year, so economy isn’t a big issue. Im coming out of a BMW 640d GC, mighty engine but miss the free revving power delivery of a petrol. Also miss the noise, although the piped in faux sound fx mask it when the windows are shut.

Even at 18k/year the difference in cost is £2300 v £3000 (using official figures). Given the other costs, depreciation in particular, that’s insignificant IMO. Never got the range argument, rarely do I clock 300 miles and think I wish I didn’t have to stop. If only my bladder had a range that long. Let alone the Mrs who often “needs” a stop 10 mins in :/

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st March 22:41

[Cheib]

5to1 said:

I do about 5k/year, so economy isn’t a big issue. Im coming out of a BMW 640d GC, mighty engine but miss the free revving power delivery of a petrol. Also miss the noise, although the piped in faux sound fx mask it when the windows are shut.

Even at 18k/year the difference in cost is £2300 v £3000 (using official figures). Given the other costs, depreciation in particular, that’s insignificant IMO. Never got the range argument, rarely do I clock 300 miles and think I wish I didn’t have to stop. If only my bladder had a range that long. Let alone the Mrs who often “needs” a stop 10 mins in :/

Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 21st March 22:41

Looking back obviously depreciation of a Diesel vs a Petrol is much worse at the moment but I didn’t know that when I bought it last year...at that time it was worse owning a petrol. Personally I think the diesel issue is overblown right now but I am fully aware that when our Cayenne is three years old with 50k miles on it it could well be worth buttons. If that’s the case we’ll keep it as It will be worth more to us than anyone else. Will add something else with four doors to the stable.

Range does matter to me. I am driving to Switzerland on Good Friday, the French autoroutes will be very busy and the queues for fuel at service stations probably half an hour. In a petrol car I’d probably have to stop twice for fuel but our Cayenne can get us far enough that our first stop for fuel is when we’ve left the autoroute. Fuel is much cheaper off the autoroute and also I brim that tank before crossing into Switzerland and can drive round for a week without filling up at bionically expensive Swiss petrol stations.

I honestly don’t miss the free revving petrol engine in the family car....I’ve got other cars to deliver that fix!

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I meant depreciation in general, rather then what’s happened to diesel residuals

Even under the normal depreciation curve, what you lose a year (let alone other costs) make the difference in fuel cost insignificant IMO.

[Cobnapint]

Not many people do 300 miles in one go admittedly, but that's not the whole point.
Stopping off at the local petrol station and filling up us a ball-ache, so having a car with a diesel engine and a big tank reduces the number of occasions you have to do it.

[Cheib]

5to1 said:

I meant depreciation in general, rather then what’s happened to diesel residuals

Even under the normal depreciation curve, what you lose a year (let alone other costs) make the difference in fuel cost insignificant IMO.

Fair comment they're not cheap cars to own....especially when you ticked rather too many boxes

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Cobnapint said:

Not many people do 300 miles in one go admittedly, but that's not the whole point.
Stopping off at the local petrol station and filling up us a ball-ache, so having a car with a diesel engine and a big tank reduces the number of occasions you have to do it.

I actually never fill my cars up, unless doing a long journey. To me its pointless carrying a full tank around when my journeys are all short. I guess the usually mild SE weather, plethora of petrol stations and pay@pump makes it a painless experience filling up.

I don't want to appear anti diesel. I can absolutely understand why someone may pick a modern diesel based on the characteristics. The 40d engine in my car is phenomenal in many respects, albeit in a different way to a nice petrol engine. I'm just saying the other reasons quoted make little sense to me. Spending >£60k on a premium SUV, range and economy (unless I did serious mileage) wouldn't remotely figure in my choice.

[_speedyellow_]

I've been shouted at as it takes quite some time filling up my enlarged tank in the Cayenne.
Its not my fault the pumps are so slow and the shouter is filling up a mini!

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[majordad]

Me too ! ( have been shouted at ).