2018 Cayenne bets?......
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I reckon HUD will be £1k minimum. VAG charge ~£400 in VW's and ~£750 on Audi's. Imagine they'll bump it a bit just as a builder bumps their quote when they see a Porsche on the drive 
From memory it was a ~£1k option on my BMW, but that may have come down now. Having had it for a few years, one of the first options I'd tick. Really going to miss it.
From memory it was a ~£1k option on my BMW, but that may have come down now. Having had it for a few years, one of the first options I'd tick. Really going to miss it.
5to1 said:
The weight is carried low down and static, so whilst it wont help handling I don't think it will seriously nobble it. I don't particularly notice a full tank of fuel and/or a couple of passengers, which is weight carried higher up and sloshes about.
Where did you get the HUD info? Are they not shutting down production now?
Yes, but it's still the weight of three large adults, which is a fair amount extra. I've driven hybrid and non-hybrid Panameras and although the drivetrain integration was certainly impressive in the hybrid, the extra weight was very noticeable. Nonetheless, I can well see the attraction of cruising silently around town on a few pence's worth of electricity.Where did you get the HUD info? Are they not shutting down production now?
The HUD availability is on the website. If I remember correctly it has been on the US website for a while now, or has at least been being discussed on the rennlist forums for a few months. The pricing is probably on the Porsche NA configurator.
pete said:
5to1 said:
The weight is carried low down and static, so whilst it wont help handling I don't think it will seriously nobble it. I don't particularly notice a full tank of fuel and/or a couple of passengers, which is weight carried higher up and sloshes about.
Where did you get the HUD info? Are they not shutting down production now?
Yes, but it's still the weight of three large adults, which is a fair amount extra. I've driven hybrid and non-hybrid Panameras and although the drivetrain integration was certainly impressive in the hybrid, the extra weight was very noticeable. Nonetheless, I can well see the attraction of cruising silently around town on a few pence's worth of electricity.Where did you get the HUD info? Are they not shutting down production now?
I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
pete said:
The HUD availability is on the website. If I remember correctly it has been on the US website for a while now, or has at least been being discussed on the rennlist forums for a few months. The pricing is probably on the Porsche NA configurator.
Thanks, I hadn't seen it, but haven't been looking either. I'm still confused by the August date, does that mean they have cancelled/delayed the factory shutdown. Or perhaps they mean you can order it from August. Confusing.Edited by 5to1 on Wednesday 2nd May 16:22
The HUD is $1700 on the US configurator, which would indicate somewhere around £1300 in the UK based on the exchange rate for other options. An extremely useful bit of kit, but I'm not sure it's that useful.
I think the August date just conveniently ignores the fact that there's a factory shutdown, like lots of the other "available from" dates in the PDF and paper brochures. Maybe they mean it's only available for orders placed from August onwards? Who knows, I've given up trying to second guess how Porsche decide how to trickle new options into production. On the one hand you have some very new kit which is available from the start (new PCM, rear steering, PSCB, etc), presumably on the basis that it's a fundamental part of the architecture; then some new kit which is being trickled in later (Innodrive, HUD); and most oddly, some tried and tested kit which is also coming later (e.g. heated screen - something I would *definitely* have paid £500 for, and remote heating).
Thank god I love the car I have!
I think the August date just conveniently ignores the fact that there's a factory shutdown, like lots of the other "available from" dates in the PDF and paper brochures. Maybe they mean it's only available for orders placed from August onwards? Who knows, I've given up trying to second guess how Porsche decide how to trickle new options into production. On the one hand you have some very new kit which is available from the start (new PCM, rear steering, PSCB, etc), presumably on the basis that it's a fundamental part of the architecture; then some new kit which is being trickled in later (Innodrive, HUD); and most oddly, some tried and tested kit which is also coming later (e.g. heated screen - something I would *definitely* have paid £500 for, and remote heating).
Thank god I love the car I have!
If the heated screen is anything like the one on my OH's Fiesta, ie, like looking through chicken wire - I wouldn't bother.
I like it even less during the hours of darkness, oncoming headlights really pick out the element, and for the small part of the year that you use it, I don't think it's an issue.
Same goes for the aux heater. You're carrying around something the whole year round that you'd only use the odd time.
I like it even less during the hours of darkness, oncoming headlights really pick out the element, and for the small part of the year that you use it, I don't think it's an issue.
Same goes for the aux heater. You're carrying around something the whole year round that you'd only use the odd time.
5to1 said:
You can get heated glass for the home now (uses a clear film as the heating element). Would be nice if they could find a way to implement that on cars. Although the price would probably be eye watering 
Airline cockpit glass has had it for years, but like you say, I don't think it comes cheap. Your £75 windscreen excess wouldn't go far.Cobnapint said:
If the heated screen is anything like the one on my OH's Fiesta, ie, like looking through chicken wire - I wouldn't bother.
I like it even less during the hours of darkness, oncoming headlights really pick out the element, and for the small part of the year that you use it, I don't think it's an issue.
Same goes for the aux heater. You're carrying around something the whole year round that you'd only use the odd time.
I have a heated front screen on my Cayenne and my understanding is that it is a gel inbetween the glass layers that heat. No chicken wire on mine!I like it even less during the hours of darkness, oncoming headlights really pick out the element, and for the small part of the year that you use it, I don't think it's an issue.
Same goes for the aux heater. You're carrying around something the whole year round that you'd only use the odd time.
Cobnapint said:
If the heated screen is anything like the one on my OH's Fiesta, ie, like looking through chicken wire - I wouldn't bother.
I like it even less during the hours of darkness, oncoming headlights really pick out the element, and for the small part of the year that you use it, I don't think it's an issue.
Same goes for the aux heater. You're carrying around something the whole year round that you'd only use the odd time.
Also buggers up the HUD in my wife’s Velar....I like it even less during the hours of darkness, oncoming headlights really pick out the element, and for the small part of the year that you use it, I don't think it's an issue.
Same goes for the aux heater. You're carrying around something the whole year round that you'd only use the odd time.
pete said:
The HUD is $1700 on the US configurator, which would indicate somewhere around £1300 in the UK based on the exchange rate for other options. An extremely useful bit of kit, but I'm not sure it's that useful.
I think the August date just conveniently ignores the fact that there's a factory shutdown, like lots of the other "available from" dates in the PDF and paper brochures. Maybe they mean it's only available for orders placed from August onwards? Who knows, I've given up trying to second guess how Porsche decide how to trickle new options into production. On the one hand you have some very new kit which is available from the start (new PCM, rear steering, PSCB, etc), presumably on the basis that it's a fundamental part of the architecture; then some new kit which is being trickled in later (Innodrive, HUD); and most oddly, some tried and tested kit which is also coming later (e.g. heated screen - something I would *definitely* have paid £500 for, and remote heating).
Thank god I love the car I have!
It's pretty standard for Porsche not to release cars with all the spec options available from Day 1...typically takes six months or so. Flip side is that if you get an early car you probably have a very cheap first year of motoring as residuals will be very strong in that first year. I think the August date just conveniently ignores the fact that there's a factory shutdown, like lots of the other "available from" dates in the PDF and paper brochures. Maybe they mean it's only available for orders placed from August onwards? Who knows, I've given up trying to second guess how Porsche decide how to trickle new options into production. On the one hand you have some very new kit which is available from the start (new PCM, rear steering, PSCB, etc), presumably on the basis that it's a fundamental part of the architecture; then some new kit which is being trickled in later (Innodrive, HUD); and most oddly, some tried and tested kit which is also coming later (e.g. heated screen - something I would *definitely* have paid £500 for, and remote heating).
Thank god I love the car I have!
Cheib said:
It's pretty standard for Porsche not to release cars with all the spec options available from Day 1...typically takes six months or so. Flip side is that if you get an early car you probably have a very cheap first year of motoring as residuals will be very strong in that first year.
I'm contemplating doing that. Either LOI on GTS/Macan facelift or just another order for Cayenne with HUD. With factory shutdown I may not take a massive loss as you normally would if you switched after a year.What lead times are folks being quoted on the Hybrid?
As for residuals I requested a PCP quote. For a car the same price as a Range Rover Sport Autobiography the monthly payments over the same term, mileage and deposit comes to nearly double that of the RRS! Strange!
The residual value quoted on a RRS is much stronger than that being quoted on the Cayenne Hybrid.
As for residuals I requested a PCP quote. For a car the same price as a Range Rover Sport Autobiography the monthly payments over the same term, mileage and deposit comes to nearly double that of the RRS! Strange!
The residual value quoted on a RRS is much stronger than that being quoted on the Cayenne Hybrid.
PrancingHorses said:
What lead times are folks being quoted on the Hybrid?
As for residuals I requested a PCP quote. For a car the same price as a Range Rover Sport Autobiography the monthly payments over the same term, mileage and deposit comes to nearly double that of the RRS! Strange!
The residual value quoted on a RRS is much stronger than that being quoted on the Cayenne Hybrid.
Yes, I found the same RRS HSE Dynamic has for more standard kit than a Cayenne S and the RRS AB is very well equipped yet still much cheaper than a Cayenne with a few options. Full life costs may be different, but if handing back at the end of a PCP the RRS looks a bargain.As for residuals I requested a PCP quote. For a car the same price as a Range Rover Sport Autobiography the monthly payments over the same term, mileage and deposit comes to nearly double that of the RRS! Strange!
The residual value quoted on a RRS is much stronger than that being quoted on the Cayenne Hybrid.
PrancingHorses said:
What lead times are folks being quoted on the Hybrid?
As for residuals I requested a PCP quote. For a car the same price as a Range Rover Sport Autobiography the monthly payments over the same term, mileage and deposit comes to nearly double that of the RRS! Strange!
The residual value quoted on a RRS is much stronger than that being quoted on the Cayenne Hybrid.
I guess manufacturer support comes into it as well. JLR appear to be throwing support behind their vehicles. How they present that (unrealistic residual, lower exchange rate or dealer contribution) is up to them. Have you looked at the residual quoted on the RRS and compared it to vehicles of a similar age now to ascertain if its realistic?As for residuals I requested a PCP quote. For a car the same price as a Range Rover Sport Autobiography the monthly payments over the same term, mileage and deposit comes to nearly double that of the RRS! Strange!
The residual value quoted on a RRS is much stronger than that being quoted on the Cayenne Hybrid.
I was told end of year for the Hybrid, but perhaps they're finally showing me some love as my current Cayenne is only turning up next week (unless it changes again :/). Given I only do 5k miles a year, I'd probably be better of ordering another the non hybrid though.
5to1 said:
Also for some context on the deals, at the beginning of the year I was offered a RRS P400e AB for £19k over a 2 year PCH (5k miles/year). I was tempted to jack in the Cayenne order, but hate the driving experience, which whilst comfortable is devoid of any real engagement.
I saw that deal too however it never materialised as the RRS Hybrid is still no where to be seen - that car has been severely delayed. Cheib said:
RRS finance is subsidised Cayenne’s isn’t which is what you would expect when one is brand new. Simples!
It's not subsidised at all. The MY18 RRS is a new model and there is no dealer or manufacturer contribution on PCP. It works out cheaper simply because the residual value after 3 years is around 60% compared to 40% on the Cayenne. I have been offered a 2018 Cayenne Hybrid for June/July delivery just need to get the maths to work now!
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