2018 Cayenne bets?......

[pete]

Timetoburn said:

I can’t seem to get destinations sync’d From the app to the car, they don’t seem to appear anywhere. Also, it seems to randomly log me out of the Porsche ID account in the car.

Edited by Timetoburn on Thursday 1st November 21:40

I have the same problem with being randomly logged out of my Porsche ID; I’ve mentioned it to Reading but no fix yet. Addresses from the app do usually appear, just not very immediately when starting the car, which is not especially useful! These are things I sort of expected from a brand new connected car though. I have low expectations of the automotive industry’s ability to play software developer...

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pete said:

I have the same problem with being randomly logged out of my Porsche ID; I’ve mentioned it to Reading but no fix yet. Addresses from the app do usually appear, just not very immediately when starting the car, which is not especially useful! These are things I sort of expected from a brand new connected car though. I have low expectations of the automotive industry’s ability to play software developer...

Have both those issues. Mentioned them during the Masterclass and he noted down the Porsche ID issue, but reading between the lines it didn't sound like there was a process for him to report the bug back.

Sending addresses to the car he just said you need to wait, usually I just punch in the address before its arrived. I find it particularly disappointing given my BMW which used a 2G connection almost always had the address waiting. Moreover it kept a log of them for me to easily find them again. That was useful as I could send addresses several days in advance to be used when needed. The Porsche system I can't see an obvious place to find addresses I've sent to the car :/

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5to1 said:

Sending addresses to the car he just said you need to wait, usually I just punch in the address before its arrived. I find it particularly disappointing given my BMW which used a 2G connection almost always had the address waiting. Moreover it kept a log of them for me to easily find them again. That was useful as I could send addresses several days in advance to be used when needed. The Porsche system I can't see an obvious place to find addresses I've sent to the car :/

I have to say, that functionality was one of the number of reasons I ordered a X5 instead of a run-out Cayenne back in the tail end of 2016........and to find that in the next gen version Porsche have still not dragged their comms kit up to a comparable functionality is surprising to say the least.

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aeropilot said:

5to1 said:

Sending addresses to the car he just said you need to wait, usually I just punch in the address before its arrived. I find it particularly disappointing given my BMW which used a 2G connection almost always had the address waiting. Moreover it kept a log of them for me to easily find them again. That was useful as I could send addresses several days in advance to be used when needed. The Porsche system I can't see an obvious place to find addresses I've sent to the car :/

I have to say, that functionality was one of the number of reasons I ordered a X5 instead of a run-out Cayenne back in the tail end of 2016........and to find that in the next gen version Porsche have still not dragged their comms kit up to a comparable functionality is surprising to say the least.

Well I wouldn't say that. In almost all respects the ICE is a huge step up on the BMW and almost all other current cars. As it should be, given this is one of the first roll outs of the next generation ICE. (Of course BMW will catchup and probably surpass as they roll out their own next generation ICE in the coming model refreshes).

The couple of issues I've detailed are software issues. Given we're so early in the lifecycle for this generation of ICE, I'm prepared to accept a few functions will need polishing/improving. In fact I'm a little surprised it hasn't been worse. If a couple of years down the line the software isn't up to scratch that will be a different story. There's a shed load of hardware overhead for them to leverage. Whereas the X5's ICE (and other cars equipped with the last generation of hardware) had essentially got as far as it could go in the hands of car manufacturers.

Functionally the aforementioned issues and the lack of HUD (which has been announced now) are my main gripes against my previous BMW. Against the next generation of BMW's, they will need to develop their software, or they will be left behind. For example the displays in the binnacle aren't being fully leveraged right now. The fact it can drive google satellite view seamlessly in high res across 2 displays shows the potential of the hardware. But otherwise the implementation of the additional displays is almost like they still think they are constrained by old hardware.

[sajafzal]

Dropped my car to West London this morning, fingers crossed, updates will help

Saj

[nick28]

I recently sold my S having done nearly 8,000 miles in less than 6 months.

As with others I experienced problems with the infotainment system - mine had the binnacle replaced. This didn't bother me too much as its a new model however what did concern me was the SatNav itself which didn't have a lot of the latest road changes on it including speed limits etc especially in Europe.

It was a well built solid car overall however a few of issues spoilt the experience somewhat

First one was self induced - I spec'd the 21" wheels. Although I had the air suspension the ride was still a little too firm. The car felt over tyred and skipped over bumps on the crap roads we have. It also wandered a little on straight roads. It did work ok on the french autoroutes though. I wouldn't spec them again but you'll ignore this as they look the part

The engine is lovely in isolation (I tried it on the Audi RS4) but lacks torque for such a large heavy car. You can of course red line it but to me thats not appropriate for this type of car. Best mpg I got was 30 on the french autoroutes - 20 around town and less much less if I floored it.

The automatic gearbox is not as responsive as pdk. It changes up to 5th or 6th by 30mph but hesitates if you want to accelerate - consequently I drove it in Sport around town. It also kept the high gear as you pulled up to roundabouts/stop signs until the last moment when it dropped to 3rd or 2nd - all rather jerky

In summary - IMO this type of car suits a diesel engine. I've yet to try the hybrid which may work better despite the extra weight

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If you don't mind me asking did you take much of a loss?

I have another on order as I wanted HUD and it wasn't available until later this year. They said they would be able to give me a trade in price when I have to commit to the next order. So I figured it was worth sticking the £3k down, as worst case I just drop the other order and take my deposit back.

WRT the 21"s I have them as well, but have no issues with comfort. I guess it also depends what you're coming from. My previous car was a BMW running on 20's with RFT's (also with adaptive suspension). Compared to that, the Cayenne is a more pliant ride. It may be the fatter rubber (presume Porsche did that to accommodate the 22's with same circumference). Or it could be the RFT's on the BMW which made the difference.

[nick28]

5to1 said:

If you don't mind me asking did you take much of a loss?

I have another on order as I wanted HUD and it wasn't available until later this year. They said they would be able to give me a trade in price when I have to commit to the next order. So I figured it was worth sticking the £3k down, as worst case I just drop the other order and take my deposit back.

WRT the 21"s I have them as well, but have no issues with comfort. I guess it also depends what you're coming from. My previous car was a BMW running on 20's with RFT's (also with adaptive suspension). Compared to that, the Cayenne is a more pliant ride. It may be the fatter rubber (presume Porsche did that to accommodate the 22's with same circumference). Or it could be the RFT's on the BMW which made the difference.

A bit less than 10%

My current daily is a GT3 so I get the firm ride thing. Its just not compliant. Whatcar tested it with 20's and thought it fine yet the Audi Q8 (same platform) on 21's didn't fair so well. I found it skipped over bumps and had to be corrected when on a straight road. My son's Seat Ibiza rode better. IMO its over tyred. Anyway I'm due to try the Hybrid shortly so will be able to compare - it would probably fill the torque gap and compensate for the gear box's lack of response. Be interested is anyone has tried the Turbo?

[Cheib]

nick28 said:

In summary - IMO this type of car suits a diesel engine. I've yet to try the hybrid which may work better despite the extra weight

Last I heard is that the delay in Hybrid production might become permanent

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nick28 said:

A bit less than 10%

My current daily is a GT3 so I get the firm ride thing. Its just not compliant. Whatcar tested it with 20's and thought it fine yet the Audi Q8 (same platform) on 21's didn't fair so well. I found it skipped over bumps and had to be corrected when on a straight road. My son's Seat Ibiza rode better. IMO its over tyred. Anyway I'm due to try the Hybrid shortly so will be able to compare - it would probably fill the torque gap and compensate for the gear box's lack of response. Be interested is anyone has tried the Turbo?

Thanks, thats not too bad after 6 months and 8k miles.

I think sajafzal has the turbo.

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Cheib said:

nick28 said:

In summary - IMO this type of car suits a diesel engine. I've yet to try the hybrid which may work better despite the extra weight

Last I heard is that the delay in Hybrid production might become permanent

If that happens, I wonder if they'll do a U-turn on their no more diesels statement.....as I think they'll have a lot of free Cayenne production slots (and maybe even Panny and Macan) in the years to come otherwise.

I'm sure the tone of BMW's recent statement of continuing with diesel SUV production was a little dig in the direction of VAG's self inflicted problems.

[Cobnapint]

Cheib said:

Last I heard is that the delay in Hybrid production might become permanent

Sounds like the industry isn't happy with WLTP revealing the true CO2 figures, which causes them to lose the financial incentives. So 'eff all to do with the environment after all then....

https://electrek.co/2018/09/27/german-automakers-s...

[aeropilot]

Cobnapint said:

Sounds like the industry isn't happy with WLTP revealing the true CO2 figures, which causes them to lose the financial incentives. So 'eff all to do with the environment after all then....

https://electrek.co/2018/09/27/german-automakers-s...

As said, it's only until they come up with bigger and heavier battery cells to extend the electric only range to get back under the 50kg average.

Still a fudge of course, but then this is all about politics, not common sense.

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aeropilot said:

Cobnapint said:

Sounds like the industry isn't happy with WLTP revealing the true CO2 figures, which causes them to lose the financial incentives. So 'eff all to do with the environment after all then....

https://electrek.co/2018/09/27/german-automakers-s...

As said, it's only until they come up with bigger and heavier battery cells to extend the electric only range to get back under the 50kg average.

Still a fudge of course, but then this is all about politics, not common sense.

I understand supply of the cells is already an issue. Have you seen what Lithium mining looks like :O Dig a huge hole, pollute the local environment and water table, then dump the depleted cells in the third world = "Environmentally friendly"

Constructing a 2 tonne vehicle and then propelling it from A to B in order to transport an 80-100kg Human is clearly not sustainable once it becomes ubiquitous. Irrespective of how you power said 2 tone vehicle.

Edited by 5to1 on Tuesday 6th November 10:31

[Cheib]

Cobnapint said:

Cheib said:

Last I heard is that the delay in Hybrid production might become permanent

Sounds like the industry isn't happy with WLTP revealing the true CO2 figures, which causes them to lose the financial incentives. So 'eff all to do with the environment after all then....

https://electrek.co/2018/09/27/german-automakers-s...

I m sure they were engineered to meet the incentive schemes that Govt's put in place....now those schemes aren't there they don't make sense. I suspect you need a hybrid to be capable of doing a lot more miles on pure battery charge for them to get anywhere near the new regs.

It's a bit like how the industry went diesel mad because raod tax/congestion charging etc was CO2 emission based

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Whilst I like the Cayenne I'm beginning to get hacked off with the rest of the experience :/

After the pre-sales debacle the after sales is proving to be just as bad. Several weeks to get the car seen, then a 7am call on the day to say the courtesy car hadn't been returned and they'd call me back as soon as it had turned up. Couple of weeks later I called back to ask if they'd found the courtesy car yet and received an apology and a new date (again couple of weeks wait).

Saturday I get a call to say they might cancel again as their courtesy car hadn't been returned and the customer wasn't answering the phone. No call this morning so I called myself and was assured they had a courtesy car for me. Sat there for an hour and I'm given a Cayman (I had previously explained I have two young children). I contemplated taking it, but my car seats are ISOFIX which the Cayman isn't equipped with. Some more apologies and an assurance they'd drop a car to my house and take my Cayenne later today when one of their courtesy cars turns up.

I then asked what was going on with my deposit I placed 6 months ago (with a Nov delivery estimate) and the service agent went and spoke to a manager who was supposed to give me a call back.

I can't believe they have contrived to hire a building full of useless staff. The service agent was polite and extremely apologetic. And appeared to be competent. So I can only imagine this is a management/process issue.

[Cheib]

That’s really st. The service dept at my OPC seems to have got ridiculously busy,,,,waitnis about a month for anything to be done.

I’m at a Porsche GB customer feedback day at the PEC on Thursday.....getting a go in the new Cayenne. Be intersting to see how is compares to my S Diesel.

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Cheib said:

That’s really st. The service dept at my OPC seems to have got ridiculously busy,,,,waitnis about a month for anything to be done.

I’m at a Porsche GB customer feedback day at the PEC on Thursday.....getting a go in the new Cayenne. Be intersting to see how is compares to my S Diesel.

My only comfort is I quite like the Cayenne. I'm sure you'll enjoy it when you get behind the wheel.

I looked at the trip when I got home, might help anyone considering switching out of a Diesel:

28 miles (~26 of those miles were M25/M4, so tells you what the traffic was like :/)
26 MPH average
27.2 MPG

It's the very short school run that returns piss poor figures (also from today):

1 mile
11 MPH average
14.9 MPG (has been as low as 13 MPG when I've really put the foot down on take off).

Guess the short urban trips are EV territory as if you do a lot of those you have to worry about the DPF with a Diesel. But given i've only done 1300 miles not worth the extra outlay for me.

Compared to my 640d GC i'd say its down ~8-10MPG. Apart from that short school run, where the 640d would have done mid 20's.

Edited by 5to1 on Monday 19th November 19:44

Edited by 5to1 on Monday 19th November 19:45

[Cheib]

5to1 said:

It's the very short school run that returns piss poor figures (also from today):

1 mile
11 MPH average
14.9 MPG (has been as low as 13 MPG when I've really put the foot down on take off).

Guess the short urban trips are EV territory as if you do a lot of those you have to worry about the DPF with a Diesel. But given i've only done 1300 miles not worth the extra outlay for me.

Compared to my 640d GC i'd say its down ~8-10MPG. Apart from that short school run, where the 640d would have done mid 20's.

Edited by 5to1 on Monday 19th November 19:44

Edited by 5to1 on Monday 19th November 19:45

That's really, really poor.

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Cheib said:

That's really, really poor.

Yep.

I live right next to a busy high street with a couple of shopping centres and office parks. Between me and the school there are 2 large roundabouts, a couple of sets of traffic lights and usually some standstill traffic. The constant stopping and then moving off quickly (for example to get on the busy roundabouts) coupled with the engine being cold seems to kill the economy.

Crawling along in traffic seems to return better figures. Another Urban example for a trip to my parents:

4 Miles
18 MPH average
20 MPG

Essentially its taking off at >2.5k RPM that drinks the petrol. The school run is essentially that, with very little else to bring up the average.