2018 Cayenne bets?......
Discussion
majordad said:
I read yesterday that Porsche will not build any more Hybrids for the time being due to the new emission standards.
I was told that a couple of months ago by my OPC as what they thought was likely (post on previous page). Combination of optimistic/unachievable mpg claims, hybrids losing tax breaks and difficulty of getting them through emissions tests. They’ve only ever made sense if you do short journeys where you can charge after every journey or the tax breaks worked for you.
Cheib said:
I dont think the OPC’s are to blame in this particular case....but am sure you know that Taffy. Whether it’s Porsche GB or Porsche AG that are to blame I don’t know but the communication on production/build slots across the whole range is just bloody awful
Might help if they didn’t tell the staff they’d sent out a customer survey. Got a survey mailed to me and just as I was contemplating filling it out I get a call from the SA :/5to1 said:
aeropilot said:
Yes, hybrid production won't resume until they have found a way to about double the electric only range, from what I've seen/read.
Could be a while if so......
Get out and pushCould be a while if so......
For the benefit of anyone else with the Nav crashing issue:
My OPC have finally admitted it’s a known issue. They suspect it’s a software issue. And there’s currently no fix.
Unfortunately this info was only shared after they screwed up another service booking. I called on the morning of the booking and was told there was no record of my booking and there was no courtesy car booked in for me. Fortunately I didn’t drive all the way there like the previous occasion :/
My OPC have finally admitted it’s a known issue. They suspect it’s a software issue. And there’s currently no fix.
Unfortunately this info was only shared after they screwed up another service booking. I called on the morning of the booking and was told there was no record of my booking and there was no courtesy car booked in for me. Fortunately I didn’t drive all the way there like the previous occasion :/
5to1 said:
For the benefit of anyone else with the Nav crashing issue:
My OPC have finally admitted it’s a known issue. They suspect it’s a software issue. And there’s currently no fix.
Unfortunately this info was only shared after they screwed up another service booking. I called on the morning of the booking and was told there was no record of my booking and there was no courtesy car booked in for me. Fortunately I didn’t drive all the way there like the previous occasion :/
Thought so, have just learnt to live with it now !!!My OPC have finally admitted it’s a known issue. They suspect it’s a software issue. And there’s currently no fix.
Unfortunately this info was only shared after they screwed up another service booking. I called on the morning of the booking and was told there was no record of my booking and there was no courtesy car booked in for me. Fortunately I didn’t drive all the way there like the previous occasion :/
Thanks for the update
Saj
Been chasing up issues and they’ve allocated me a new SE.
Some info some of you may find useful.
Hybrids now have an ETA of Nov (that’s with me at the top of the list). Have switched my deposit as a result.
Residuals are very very strong. They’d currently take mine at a 6.5% loss to me. After almost 11 months, but albeit only 2k miles, I will swap if that holds by the time I finalise spec for a new one.
Some info some of you may find useful.
Hybrids now have an ETA of Nov (that’s with me at the top of the list). Have switched my deposit as a result.
Residuals are very very strong. They’d currently take mine at a 6.5% loss to me. After almost 11 months, but albeit only 2k miles, I will swap if that holds by the time I finalise spec for a new one.
Residuals do seem pretty crazy just now. I've just been offered PCP finance on my new Cayenne based on a guaranteed final value of over 80% in 3.5 years.
I'm pretty staggered to be honest and that's miles better than my previous Cayenne from 4 years ago. I was actually assuming I would just pay cash for it but this deal seems so cheap that it's hard to beat. Puts all the risk onto the lender too - I wouldn't want to be betting on future values of big petrol cars at the moment.
I'm pretty staggered to be honest and that's miles better than my previous Cayenne from 4 years ago. I was actually assuming I would just pay cash for it but this deal seems so cheap that it's hard to beat. Puts all the risk onto the lender too - I wouldn't want to be betting on future values of big petrol cars at the moment.
iangill222 said:
Residuals do seem pretty crazy just now. I've just been offered PCP finance on my new Cayenne based on a guaranteed final value of over 80% in 3.5 years.
I'm pretty staggered to be honest and that's miles better than my previous Cayenne from 4 years ago. I was actually assuming I would just pay cash for it but this deal seems so cheap that it's hard to beat. Puts all the risk onto the lender too - I wouldn't want to be betting on future values of big petrol cars at the moment.
Really ?1 That’s incredible. Sounds like Porsche are going down the subsidised PCP route to drive sales.I'm pretty staggered to be honest and that's miles better than my previous Cayenne from 4 years ago. I was actually assuming I would just pay cash for it but this deal seems so cheap that it's hard to beat. Puts all the risk onto the lender too - I wouldn't want to be betting on future values of big petrol cars at the moment.
Cheib said:
iangill222 said:
Residuals do seem pretty crazy just now. I've just been offered PCP finance on my new Cayenne based on a guaranteed final value of over 80% in 3.5 years.
I'm pretty staggered to be honest and that's miles better than my previous Cayenne from 4 years ago. I was actually assuming I would just pay cash for it but this deal seems so cheap that it's hard to beat. Puts all the risk onto the lender too - I wouldn't want to be betting on future values of big petrol cars at the moment.
Really ?1 That’s incredible. Sounds like Porsche are going down the subsidised PCP route to drive sales.I'm pretty staggered to be honest and that's miles better than my previous Cayenne from 4 years ago. I was actually assuming I would just pay cash for it but this deal seems so cheap that it's hard to beat. Puts all the risk onto the lender too - I wouldn't want to be betting on future values of big petrol cars at the moment.
Needless to say, it's not Porsche that are making the offer ..... I wouldn't even waste my time by asking them for a finance quote. The less time spent talking to the dealership the better.
Done through a broker but ultimately it's through Barclays Partner Finance. Also had similar offers from other companies though, so a number seem to be keen on taking a big gamble on residual values.
Done through a broker but ultimately it's through Barclays Partner Finance. Also had similar offers from other companies though, so a number seem to be keen on taking a big gamble on residual values.
iangill222 said:
Needless to say, it's not Porsche that are making the offer ..... I wouldn't even waste my time by asking them for a finance quote. The less time spent talking to the dealership the better.
Done through a broker but ultimately it's through Barclays Partner Finance. Also had similar offers from other companies though, so a number seem to be keen on taking a big gamble on residual values.
Can only assume Porsche are doing deals to shift cars through lease companies then. There’s no way that makes economic sense for the lease co’s.Done through a broker but ultimately it's through Barclays Partner Finance. Also had similar offers from other companies though, so a number seem to be keen on taking a big gamble on residual values.
No diesel must be really hitting sales.
Fill yer boots !
5to1 said:
Been chasing up issues and they’ve allocated me a new SE.
Some info some of you may find useful.
Hybrids now have an ETA of Nov (that’s with me at the top of the list). Have switched my deposit as a result.
Residuals are very very strong. They’d currently take mine at a 6.5% loss to me. After almost 11 months, but albeit only 2k miles, I will swap if that holds by the time I finalise spec for a new one.
Is the Nov 2019 e-hybrid ETA from OPC, or guessimate?Some info some of you may find useful.
Hybrids now have an ETA of Nov (that’s with me at the top of the list). Have switched my deposit as a result.
Residuals are very very strong. They’d currently take mine at a 6.5% loss to me. After almost 11 months, but albeit only 2k miles, I will swap if that holds by the time I finalise spec for a new one.
My OPC east london - galleon's reach - said they're not actually building any due to fall-out from WLTP & advised me to quickly change to S or base, ie go back to the start of the queue. ~What he said was that they may go into production later on, but that's not a given. Blume has also stated in an interview about introducing 42amp batteries vs current 32, but this will only filter down 'gradually'.
Like for like, base would save me £10k ie with the specs i've configured for the ehybrid - £71k.
S £2k more.
5to1 said:
Been chasing up issues and they’ve allocated me a new SE.
Some info some of you may find useful.
Hybrids now have an ETA of Nov (that’s with me at the top of the list). Have switched my deposit as a result.
Residuals are very very strong. They’d currently take mine at a 6.5% loss to me. After almost 11 months, but albeit only 2k miles, I will swap if that holds by the time I finalise spec for a new one.
Is the Nov 2019 e-hybrid ETA from OPC, or guessimate?Some info some of you may find useful.
Hybrids now have an ETA of Nov (that’s with me at the top of the list). Have switched my deposit as a result.
Residuals are very very strong. They’d currently take mine at a 6.5% loss to me. After almost 11 months, but albeit only 2k miles, I will swap if that holds by the time I finalise spec for a new one.
My OPC east london - galleon's reach - said they're not actually building any due to fall-out from WLTP & advised me to quickly change to S or base, ie go back to the start of the queue. ~What he said was that they may go into production later on, but that's not a given. Blume has also stated in an interview about introducing 42amp batteries vs current 32, but this will only filter down 'gradually'.
Like for like, base would save me £10k ie with the specs i've configured for the ehybrid - £71k.
S £2k more.
Honestly think Hybrid is dead or not long for this world as far as Porsche are concerned. They’ve already said that the next Macan is going all electric and I don’t see any reason why that won’t happen with Hybrid. Cayenne has been spotted testing without exhaust pipes so presumably an electric one.
If they do put hybrid’s back into production I’d do a PCP or similar deal so I’ve got some protection on the residuals.
If they do put hybrid’s back into production I’d do a PCP or similar deal so I’ve got some protection on the residuals.
Cheib said:
Honestly think Hybrid is dead or not long for this world as far as Porsche are concerned. They’ve already said that the next Macan is going all electric and I don’t see any reason why that won’t happen with Hybrid. Cayenne has been spotted testing without exhaust pipes so presumably an electric one.
If they do put hybrid’s back into production I’d do a PCP or similar deal so I’ve got some protection on the residuals.
Heck of a gamble that is. Taking your best selling model and enforcing electric only in about 4/5 years is just silly. I don't expect the charging infrastructure to be much better by then - and if it isn't, Macan sales will plummet.If they do put hybrid’s back into production I’d do a PCP or similar deal so I’ve got some protection on the residuals.
Charging infrastructure apart, many Porsche customers don't want an EV, they want something with an 'engine'. That too will keep them away.
Cobnapint said:
Cheib said:
Honestly think Hybrid is dead or not long for this world as far as Porsche are concerned. They’ve already said that the next Macan is going all electric and I don’t see any reason why that won’t happen with Hybrid. Cayenne has been spotted testing without exhaust pipes so presumably an electric one.
If they do put hybrid’s back into production I’d do a PCP or similar deal so I’ve got some protection on the residuals.
Heck of a gamble that is. Taking your best selling model and enforcing electric only in about 4/5 years is just silly. I don't expect the charging infrastructure to be much better by then - and if it isn't, Macan sales will plummet.If they do put hybrid’s back into production I’d do a PCP or similar deal so I’ve got some protection on the residuals.
Charging infrastructure apart, many Porsche customers don't want an EV, they want something with an 'engine'. That too will keep them away.
People will want EV’s for two reasons, they will become markedly cheaper than cars with an “engine” and will be much cheaper to run. For 95% of the buying public that will convert them. And I suspect on something like a Macan it will convert 99% of them.
For me it’s an issue because I do European trips in my Cayenne...I’m doing 2 1/2 weeks in Europe in my car over Easter. Having a comfortable 500 plus mile range and being able to fill the tank in 10 mins makes a massive difference.
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