2018 Cayenne bets?......

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Cobnapint said:

Cheib said:

Honestly think Hybrid is dead or not long for this world as far as Porsche are concerned. They’ve already said that the next Macan is going all electric and I don’t see any reason why that won’t happen with Hybrid. Cayenne has been spotted testing without exhaust pipes so presumably an electric one.

If they do put hybrid’s back into production I’d do a PCP or similar deal so I’ve got some protection on the residuals.

Heck of a gamble that is. Taking your best selling model and enforcing electric only in about 4/5 years is just silly. I don't expect the charging infrastructure to be much better by then - and if it isn't, Macan sales will plummet.

While Porsche have said that the next generation Macan will be EV only, they also said that the current gen just facelifted ICE engine Macan will continue to be made alongside it for an as yet to be determined timescale.

[Cheib]

Cobnapint said:

I think many Macan owners drive further than you think and won't want the in-journey compromises that EV ownership brings.

I’ve got a Macan too, it’s a great car but it’s never done 300 miles in a day....it’s done 8000 miles in nine months so it does get used. I’m sure Porsche have the data and they know the average journey their cars do....wouldn’t be surprised if journry length etc downloaded when the cars are serviced. My anecdotal evidence is based on two trips every year to the Alps for the last ten years....the cars I see doing those long journeys on UK plates are pretty much 80% large 4X4’s or Estate cars....sure you see people doing that journey in say cars like a VW Golf but premium small SUV ?Barely ever. I’m going again in 12 days so will see if my recollection is right. You have the kind of money to buy a Macan and you do long journey’s as a family in my opinion you don’t buy a Macan.

[pete]

The arguments about moving wholesale to electric ignores a vital part of the equation for those of us living in the overcrowded South East: on street parking.

I live in a town where most houses don't even have driveways, let alone garages, so on street parking is the norm. Widespread adoption of EVs won't happen until we crack on-street charging infrastructure (e.g. streetlamp charging points; kerb mounted sockets; they're all being trialled); or until a combination of battery range and fast charge performance allows you to rely on charging at the supermarket or at dedicated charging stations once every few weeks.

The inexorable rise in house prices means that Porsche's target UK market for the Macan and Cayenne is no longer people who have plentiful off-street charging space. It's a bigger problem if you're trying to sell Nissan Leafs (Leaves?!) or Tesla Model 3s, but it will hit Porsche too. They're placing a big bet that the mass market will drive a solution to these problems in the next 4-5 years, rather than the next 20 years.

[iangill222]

5to1 said:

Who’s the broker Ian? And what’s the lead time?

Is the residual based on base price or does it hold once you start ticking options?

Broker is Carzu (Scott Beeston). They used to be carfinance.net Lead time was ages. I originally ordered the hybrid 18 months ago and switched my order to the petrol version in December last year. Only spoke to the broker for the finance deal a few weeks back. Don’t think they offer cars, just finance deals.

Residual is based on the full value, which was just over £60k with the options I went with.

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londonlaw said:

Is the Nov 2019 e-hybrid ETA from OPC, or guessimate?
My OPC east london - galleon's reach - said they're not actually building any due to fall-out from WLTP & advised me to quickly change to S or base, ie go back to the start of the queue. ~What he said was that they may go into production later on, but that's not a given. Blume has also stated in an interview about introducing 42amp batteries vs current 32, but this will only filter down 'gradually'.

Like for like, base would save me £10k ie with the specs i've configured for the ehybrid - £71k.
S £2k more.

Yes, its from the manager of my OPC.

Given I eventually complained to Porsche UK (very long story) and it's as a result of that he is dealing with my issues I would hope its accurate. But given the history I wouldn't be surprised if your OPC was correct :/

Anyway I switched my order to a LOI for the coupe and have sent in my spec today.

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iangill222 said:

Broker is Carzu (Scott Beeston). They used to be carfinance.net Lead time was ages. I originally ordered the hybrid 18 months ago and switched my order to the petrol version in December last year. Only spoke to the broker for the finance deal a few weeks back. Don’t think they offer cars, just finance deals.

Residual is based on the full value, which was just over £60k with the options I went with.

Thanks. Very long lead time probably wont work for me. I'm probably better of taking the coupe and cashing in on the strong residual of my current one while I can.

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My car has just come up with Oil service required. I thought these were on a 2 year cycle :/

Any idea what I should be paying as it's not on their online price list. A little annoying as its going back in ~2 months