2018 Cayenne bets?......

[nigestar]

Cobnapint said:

breadvan said:

No Diesel at launch, good grief! Times are changing........

They know 2040 is ages away, right?

I think they are still bottoming out some software/emmision issues.

I'm not too bothered by lack of diesel although I am underwhelmed by it visually. looks the same which i can deal with but don't love the rear lights.
and price rise of £4k according to press.... although this could be due to £ depreciation

[Cobnapint]

Deffo price rise. Present S is £64539, new one is £68330.

[Fokker]

All of the diesel Panameras have been removed from sale as per the configurator. Happened about a week ago. There's no doubt the hybrids will be more popular this time around but I doubt as good as the diesels.

Hybrid or diesel then? Future values of the diesels?

[Fokker]

More here https://youtu.be/_M7Fij8IUqM

[Cheib]

Bit underwhelmed TBH, though am glad as that should avoid upgradeitis kicking in too early.

No diesels at all or just to start with? Have the diesel Panamera's been withdrawn from sale permenantly?

[Cobnapint]

Well the SD Cayenne is still there. Can't understand why the Panamera SD has been taken down though, different engine to the Cayenne, and it is the original Audi sourced V8d in the Cayenne that was allegedly involved in the recent EU6 Audi software update recall along with the V6d, although Porsche never mentioned the V8d as being involved (yet).

Weird.

[Fokker]

I guess the new diesel will have better emissions so perhaps they're working on that as they don't really care about the outgoing one in the Cayenne.
I hope they don't recall my V8D!

Chieb, I would think they diesel will be back in the panamera as soon as they're happy with the emissions situation?

Edited by Fokker on Wednesday 30th August 13:47

[nej606k]

Some stuff here https://www.whatcar.com/news/2018-porsche-cayenne/

[RDMcG]

Where is the V8 turbo??....not interested in the V6. I need something that tows.

[Fokker]

RDMcG said:

Where is the V8 turbo??....not interested in the V6. I need something that tows.

It'll be along soon...

[rkwm1]

Its starting to grow on me a little now. Still not to keen on the front grill especially with cruise sensors. Interior looks great though.

Will the turbo be available at the same time as standard ones?

[Cobnapint]

I think the satin black centre console air vents look a little odd with the outer ones being finished in aluminium.

[Captain James T]

That has to be the most boring, unimaginative, bland, dull re-design in history. It'll sell by the bucket load....

[nigestar]

Captain James T said:

That has to be the most boring, unimaginative, bland, dull re-design in history. It'll sell by the bucket load....

Current Cayenne owners must be rather pleased with this launch. Basically looks the same which in itselfs isnt a bad point but it is debatable if it is an improvement and for me the rear light cluster looks more Mazda, Toyota or Kia. Main difference inside and underlying platform.
Visually hard to distinguish the difference even by Porsche 'evolution' standards. And if you an 'Analogue' type then may well prefer current dash layout

[Cheib]

nigestar said:

Captain James T said:

That has to be the most boring, unimaginative, bland, dull re-design in history. It'll sell by the bucket load....

Current Cayenne owners must be rather pleased with this launch. Basically looks the same which in itselfs isnt a bad point but it is debatable if it is an improvement and for me the rear light cluster looks more Mazda, Toyota or Kia. Main difference inside and underlying platform.
Visually hard to distinguish the difference even by Porsche 'evolution' standards. And if you an 'Analogue' type then may well prefer current dash layout

I've driven a new Panamera and thought the interior was fantastic but wasn't sure about the "touch surface" buttons.

Weirdly I don't think it's dated the current car that much but I suspect it will be a big improvement on the road. amongst other things it has RWS which people are generally huge fans of.

[Taffy66]

I own both the current Cayenne se-hybrid and a new Panamera 4e hybrid and i much prefer the control layout of the Cayenne. The screen and the haptic touch switches are counter intuitive and smacks of Porsche trying too hard imo.The gear lever also ime takes a long time to get used to because reverse is forward and drive is pulling the lever backward...very confusing especially when driving it after coming out of my Cayenne or GTS.
I have the latest Cayenne coming next Spring although i don't feel its much of an upgrade on my current one and the increased length and width are unwelcome and unnecessary in view of not being a 7 seater. The electric hand brake is better situated in the centre and i'm glad it retains the ZF auto rather than the PDK as if using the PDK in my new Panamera as a yardstick the Cayenne is much more suited to the ZF auto.
A much missed opportunity imo and i suspect a large number of current Cayenne owners will not upgrade unless offered a very generous p/x allowance after taking into account the significant price increase and humdrum looks.

[Fokker]

Does anyone know the actual situation with diesel cars currently going forward. Are certain cities really going to be banning all diesels, even Euro 6 compliant cars? This is a really important issue because as soon as that happens and if it's all diesels the values will plummet and road tax will hike.

[Taffy66]

Fokker said:

Does anyone know the actual situation with diesel cars currently going forward. Are certain cities really going to be banning all diesels, even Euro 6 compliant cars? This is a really important issue because as soon as that happens and if it's all diesels the values will plummet and road tax will hike.

I don't think anybody knows exactly what the situation regarding diesels in the near future. If i was a major car manufacturer in the present uncertainty regarding diesels i would not invest billions in diesel R&D and instead concentrate on hybrids despite being an inferior driving experience.
My new Panamera cost only £15 to tax 1st year which is another saving over diesel and taking it all into account the only ones i can justify are the hybrids(business use) and i don't give two hoots if Porsche never build a diesel car ever again.

[sajafzal]

Fokker said:

Does anyone know the actual situation with diesel cars currently going forward. Are certain cities really going to be banning all diesels, even Euro 6 compliant cars? This is a really important issue because as soon as that happens and if it's all diesels the values will plummet and road tax will hike.

Personal opinion writing is on the wall for diesels, 3 of my previous cars have been diesels, I personally will not be buying another, could be wrong but just my thoughts

Saj

[Cobnapint]

Fokker said:

Does anyone know the actual situation with diesel cars currently going forward. Are certain cities really going to be banning all diesels, even Euro 6 compliant cars? This is a really important issue because as soon as that happens and if it's all diesels the values will plummet and road tax will hike.

The government have said that EU6 diesels won't be affected by the upcoming announcements in the Autumn statement.

The London toxicity charge, which starts October 23rd, will affect cars that are below EU4 emmision standards at £10 a day, on top of the C-Charge.

The government is expected to give permission (pass the buck) to local authorities that have higher pollution levels (are desperate for cash) to set up their own low emmision zones and charge for the privelage as a last (first) option in an attempt to reduce NOX levels. I guess this will run on similar parameters to the London one.

I'm holding with my EU5 CD at the moment to see what they do. It's already suffered most of it's depreciation anyway, so what the hell.