Hartech rebuild

[ATM]

andy97 said:

It's about 2 years ago now but I saw a 996 advertised with a trader for (IIRC) £8k with 200k miles on the clock, 35k of which were on a Hartech rebuilt engine.

Must admit I was tempted but couldn't afford the divorce.

If that deal came up again, all things considered, I would be very tempted, and wouldn't need to get divorced, either!

I think there would be a queue of people. Now the lowest price you can find a 996 is 11k. I've just bought one so I've had my eye out for a little while. And now I have one I am still looking because it is so great if I see another I'd be tempted. I dont need to worry about Divorce. I should probably drive mine more instead of looking at similar cars for sale.

[porkey]

This looks promising.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

[EGTE]

Given the over-done internet concerns about the M96 (and let's remember, the 997.1 has the same issues), a rebuild has to have some extra value to a buyer.

I agree that £2000 or so would be the current average premium, although this is subject to a wide spread (as are 996 values, it seems).

[ATM]

Mario149 said:

ATM said:

There is this cat d 4s manual which mentions Hartech but no details so could be anything from just a service. Its been for sale for a little while.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272551257626

Assuming your standard 25% discount for a Cat D, that would be £20K for a 135K mile C4S, which is strong money when you have stuff like this avaiable from a known dealer:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Now an auction and nearly finished. Bidding is up to 14600 so far. I was tempted when it was 13.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282389560082

[AvonM]

Coldly and mathematically, any extra value should be:

Chance of engine going bang while in your ownership * cost of rebuild.

Then depreciated by a few percent per year if you want to go full accountant.

Example: 120000 mile car for £10k with completely subjective 5% yearly chance of engine going Fukushima. Assume £8k all up rebuild. Own the car for 5 years, that's a £2k premium to take away that cumulative 25% chance. Total value of car with fresh engine, £12k.

Of course the peace of mind factor could add subjectively more, as might an engine capacity / power increase but then again the car could be rear-ended by a bus and value lost...

[porkey]

I think that is making more than you would expect.
High miles and Cat D.
I don't see it myself.

[was8v]

Get a good low mileage 1999 3.4 people, no bore score or IMS bearing faults to worry about!

[ATM]

was8v said:

Get a good low mileage 1999 3.4 people, no bore score or IMS bearing faults to worry about!

I think 1998 is the sweet spot - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[ATM]

This looks nice - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

[thegoose]

was8v said:

Get a good low mileage 1999 3.4 people, no bore score or IMS bearing faults to worry about!

Don't bet on it.

The IMS on my 1998 manual Carrera coupe was luckily caught and replaced due to being very noisy (could only be heard from underneath when running, hence lucky someone that knew what it was happened to be under there before it failed). This was at c85,000+ miles (i.e. above tue notional amount people spout as them being a safe bet after, usually 50,000 or similar) and about 6/7 years ago, all fine since.

[Wozy68]

EGTE said:

Given the over-done internet concerns about the M96 (and let's remember, the 997.1 has the same issues),.

Really? The two out of four people I know who bought a 996/997 to see them blow were really unlucky then.

[Wozy68]

anonymous said:

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My brother in laws dad, was quoted 17K by OPC, but paid 11K going to an Indy. One hell of a diffence.

[lewisf182]

was8v said:

Get a good low mileage 1999 3.4 people, no bore score or IMS bearing faults to worry about!

I thought the 3.4 still suffered from bore score? If they don't then why do I still see 3.4 911's with rebuilt engines? What kills them?

[ATM]

lewisf182 said:

was8v said:

Get a good low mileage 1999 3.4 people, no bore score or IMS bearing faults to worry about!

I thought the 3.4 still suffered from bore score? If they don't then why do I still see 3.4 911's with rebuilt engines? What kills them?

Lots of knowledgeable guys over here - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[LordHaveMurci]

Wozy68 said:

EGTE said:

Given the over-done internet concerns about the M96 (and let's remember, the 997.1 has the same issues),.

Really? The two out of four people I know who bought a 996/997 to see them blow were really unlucky then.

Even the worst doom mongers can't claim a 50% failure rate so yes, really unlucky by the sound of it.

Glad I don't know you!

[ATM]

LordHaveMurci said:

Wozy68 said:

EGTE said:

Given the over-done internet concerns about the M96 (and let's remember, the 997.1 has the same issues),.

Really? The two out of four people I know who bought a 996/997 to see them blow were really unlucky then.

Even the worst doom mongers can't claim a 50% failure rate so yes, really unlucky by the sound of it.

Glad I don't know you!

I want to know him. Surely the chances of having a serious failure if you know him is slim now.

[skinny]

I'd say 2k ish is about right. You'll never get back what you put in for what is essentially just preventative maintenance. But it does make the car more desirable to those in the know

[lewisf182]

Ffs, i thought the only issues were only bore score, ims and rms. never heard of the other things before! All i want is a hartech rebuilt car at a reasonable price so rare. All i see at the moment are ones with replacement porsche engines which i think are pretty worthless as they still have the inherent design faults

[ATM]

anonymous said:

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I enquired about that c4s I've mentioned above - for auction on ebay. I asked what had been done by Hartech. Seller said IMS bearing, crank shaft, cylinder and piston ring.

[ATM]

ATM said:

Mario149 said:

ATM said:

There is this cat d 4s manual which mentions Hartech but no details so could be anything from just a service. Its been for sale for a little while.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272551257626

Assuming your standard 25% discount for a Cat D, that would be £20K for a 135K mile C4S, which is strong money when you have stuff like this avaiable from a known dealer:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

Now an auction and nearly finished. Bidding is up to 14600 so far. I was tempted when it was 13.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282389560082

It's back and in Spain

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/142405526758